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whatastoner,

thanks for that info. i might look into potential causes for my problems with surgery. right now, the tonsil stones aren't so severe that i'm willing to go to extreme lengths (ie getting tonsils removed) in order to eliminate them. however, if it does reach that point, i would like to be able to undergo a minor surgery without fear of intense suffering during recuperation.
 
kmoeller last decade
Ok, I'm posting quite here a bit to counteract the inacurate information posted earlier.

This is how I understand it, but it's complicated. I'm not sure I have it all down yet.
The pH of your blood IS 7.4 constantly or you're dead. But the other systems in your body work hard to keep it constant.

According to the lists I've read pineapple is an alkaline producing food. But, depending on the minerals in your body some foods react differently for different people. Pasta is acid producing...who would have guessed it? I've seen lists that list black molasses on both sides of acid and alkaline producing. I'm pretty sure this has to do with the magnesium, potasium, sodium and calcium in your body already.

This site seems to say it better than the average...I've been selective and rearranged it to make it easier to read...
http://www.naturalhealthschool.com/acid-alkaline.html

"Note that a food's acid or alkaline-forming tendency in the body has nothing to do with the actual pH of the food itself. For example, lemons are very acidic, however the end-products they produce after digestion and assimilation are very alkaline so lemons are alkaline-forming in the body. Likewise, meat will test alkaline before digestion but it leaves very acidic residue in the body so, like nearly all animal products, meat is very acid-forming.

Understanding pH
pH (potential of hydrogen) is a measure of the acidity or alkalinity of a solution. It is measured on a scale of 0 to 14—the lower the pH the more acidic the solution, the higher the pH the more alkaline (or base) the solution. When a solution is neither acid nor alkaline it has a pH of 7 which is neutral.
Water is the most abundant compound in the human body, comprising 70% of the body. The body has an acid-alkaline (or acid-base) ratio called the pH which is a balance between positively charges ions (acid-forming) and negatively charged ions (alkaline-forming.) The body continually strives to balance pH. When this balance is compromised many problems can occur.

It is important to understand that we are not talking about stomach acid or the pH of the stomach. We are talking about the pH of the body's fluids and tissues which is an entirely different matter.

Test Your Body's Acidity or Alkalinity with pH Strips:
It is recommended that you test your pH levels to determine if your body's pH needs immediate attention. By using pH test strips, you can determine your pH factor quickly and easily in the privacy of your own home. If your urinary pH fluctuates between 6.0 to 6.5 in the morning and between 6.5 and 7.0 in the evening, your body is functioning within a healthy range. If your saliva stays between 6.5 and 7.5 all day, your body is functioning within a healthy range. The best time to test your pH is about one hour before a meal and two hours after a meal. Test your pH two days a week.

What Causes Me to be Acidic?
The reason acidosis is more common in our society is mostly due to the typical American diet, which is far too high in acid-producing animal products like meat, eggs and dairy, and far too low in alkaline-producing foods like fresh vegetables. Additionally, we eat acid-producing processed foods like white flour and sugar and drink acid-producing beverages like coffee and soft drinks. We use too many drugs, which are acid-forming; and we use artificial chemical sweetners like NutraSweet, Equal, or aspartame, which are extremely acid-forming. One of the best things we can do to correct an overly-acid body is to clean up the diet and lifestyle. Refer to the recommended reading for specific help with diet and lifestyle.

Urine pH
Urine testing may indicate how well your body is excreting acids and assimilating minerals, especially calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium. These minerals function as "buffers." Buffers are substances that help maintain and balance the body against the introduction of too much acidity or too much alkalinity. Even with the proper amounts of buffers, acid or alkaline levels can become extreme. When the body ingests or produces too many of these acids or alkalis, it must excrete the excess. The urine is the perfect way for the body to remove any excess acids or alkaline substances that cannot be buffered. If the average urine pH is below 6.5 the body's buffering system is overwhelmed, a state of "autotoxication" exists, and attention should be given to lowering acid levels.

Saliva pH
The results of saliva testing may indicate the activity of digestive enzymes in the body. These enzymes are primarily manufactured by the stomach, liver and pancreas. While the saliva also utilizes buffers just like the urine, it relies on this process to a much lesser degree. If the saliva pH is too low (below 6.5), the body may be producing too many acids or may be overwhelmed by acids because it has lost the ability to adequately remove them through the urine. If the saliva pH is too high (over 6.8), the body may suffer greatly, e.g. excess gas, constipation and production of yeast, mold and fungus. Some people will have acidic pH readings from both urine and saliva—this is referred to as "double acid."

pH and bone loss:
A recent seven-year study conducted at the University of California, San Francisco, on 9,000 women showed that those who have chronic acidosis are at greater risk for bone loss than those who have normal pH levels. The scientists who carried out this experiment believe that many of the hip fractures prevalent among middle-aged women are connected to high acidity caused by a diet rich in animal foods and low in vegetables. This is because the body borrows calcium from the bones in order to balance pH. — American Journal of Clinical Nutrition"



And if you are thinking now ... what does this have to do with tonsil stones?
I'll say it again..... For me this can explain why some of us 'catch' tonsil stones and others don't. It can also explain why change in diet can influence stone production for some. Andddd...bacteria are pH sensitive.

freshbreath i'm wondering how you're doing? It took me a while to get the strips, but I'm right behind you! Are you using suppliments too? or just diet change? Good Luck!

There are many people who've said things that make it seem like this might be the right track....but these two recent comments really stand out to me.

ByronM - "The most efficient one for me was DIET CONTROL. I noticed that with my consumption of dairy and especially meat products, these stones would amplify significantly. Oddly enough, I cut my meals down to one a day and stayed away from those foods (just as a trial) and low and behold my stone count was cut nearly down to almost none at all... I FELT WONDERFUL! As soon as I started eating the foods I love again, they came back with fury."

kmoeller - "i first started getting tonsil stones when i was 15 or 15, and i am now 23. during this whole time, i have been vegetarian. an interesting point to mention is that my tonsil stones COMPLETELY disappeared during the 5 years that i went vegan. recently, i started consuming dairy again. and lo and behold, the tonsil stones came back right away, and with a mighty vengeance." k - tied it to mucous, but I really think it might be pH instead.

There is a LOT of information out there on this topic. You'll really need to research it for yourself.
 
justmebyanyname last decade
as with other conditions, i do believe the cause of tonsil stones might be a combination of various things. and it sounds to me like the ph issue might indeed be a valid one.

and as someone who really doesn't want to resort to surgery as a means of keeping tonsil stones in check, i think it's important that everyone on here can share their insights.

i'm hoping that i'm not wrong in saying that the purpose of this board should be for us to try to find a common link so that we can eventually eliminate and prevent tonsil stones. i don't think that anyone is out of line by sharing their theories on what causes stones.
 
kmoeller last decade
This is what the ENT told me about the white stones (I call them chunks, because they aren't rock-hard, but squishy.) They are dead skin cells (with some other crap in there too, I'm sure.) Everyone gets dead skin cells in their throats, and everyone has crypts in their tonsils. People who have had tonsillitis a lot (like I did when I was very young) may just normally have larger tonsils as a result, and hence, larger crypts, so the dead cells get clumped together and caught up in the crypts.

He did not, however, explain the nasty smell. I was kind of embarrassed to ask.
 
jen7981 last decade
One more thing. I was cleaning a tonsil crypt with my waterpik and three smallish chunks came out, but then the hole started bleeding. I wonder if actually removing the chunk made it bleed, or if I was somehow just too rough. I always use the lowest setting on the waterpik. I was a little concerned, but it stopped pretty quickly.
 
jen7981 last decade
I haven't given out any "inaccurate information" other than when i misspoke about cece27 not having tonsil crypts. What i should've said was that if the stones weren't getting caught in the crypts - because they weren't ENLARGED - then crypts weren't the problem. There is still a problem with the food/mucous/bacteria getting caught either behind, beside, or on top of the tonsils.

Bacteria are ALWAYS going to be in your mouth, as the mouth is one of the "dirtiest" places in the body. I'm just not sure what you're asking people to do here. Would you have people "control" their bacteria formation by controlling their pH, with that being done by LIVING OFF A LIST OF EITHER ACID FORMING OR ALKALINE FORMING FOODS? Is that where you think this should go and how people should live their lives? Should they memorize, or consult a list of foods they can and cannot eat each day because of possible stone formation? That would be a ridiculous way to live.

So, is it your contention that ALL the people who have tonsil stones have failing bodies that do NOT balance their pH, therefore allowing an overgrowth of bacteria, which, according to you causes stone formation? My pH is normal. And i don't have an overgrowth of bacteria either, and yet i still get stones.

So...ALL the rest of the people out there who DON'T get tonsil stones have always eaten perfectly IN BALANCE, and have somehow never screwed up their pH, therefore never causing a bacterial problem.... and so THAT'S why they don't get tonsil stones? I know people who eat like absolute slobs, and who don't even have the best oral hygeine but they don't get tonsil stones. This theory of yours doesn't even pass the "common sense" test.

Just me, is this statement yours, or is it from something you were quoting?:

"It is important to understand that we are not talking about stomach acid or the pH of the stomach. We are talking about the pH of the body's fluids and tissues which is an entirely different matter."

This statement is a smokescreen of sorts, as blood pH, buffer systems, metabolic processes and respiratory processes to control pH are all (((obviously))) working to control the pH of BODY FLUIDS and tissues. None of those systems work to control the pH of stomach acidity. My point in mentioning the acidity of the stomach was used as a reference to show how acidic we are to begin with - IF it's going to worry someone that what they take into their stomach may be acidic, or "acid-forming".

If that statement quoted above was yours, it was a pathetic attempt at confusing the issue.

The statement below is inacurrate information:

"The pH of your blood IS 7.4 constantly or you're dead."

You're flat out wrong about dying if your blood pH isn't at 7.4. And you're wrong in saying it stays at 7.4. No doubt you are getting this info from the web - where there is a ton of misinformation as well as generalizations. Arterial blood pH ranges from 7.35 - 7.45 continually. The chemical changes are taking place many times per second thus fluctuating pH within that narrow range. It's the same with venous blood pH which ranges from 7.31 - 7.41. And it's important to note....THIS REFLECTS THE PH OF BODY CELLS AND FLUIDS. These are the normal ranges for everyone. Call a lab if you doubt this, and talk to a professional rather than getting your info from the web.

You're also wrong about the acidity of pineapple. It was so acidic i got open sores in my mouth after a few days and couldn't continue with the diet. My mouth couldn't take that acidity without it being buffered - as it would be further into the body. My body pH wasn't affected because regardless of whether a food is so-called alkaline or acid producing, the 3 acid-base buffer systems PLUS the kidneys PLUS the respiratory center would have balanced my pH, as they do for all other people. Any change in pH would always only be temporary, because the whole idea of the buffer system(s) is to keep your pH constant.

The average person knows oranges, pineapples, grapefruits and lemons are acidic. You seem to be trying to "re-educate" people here to believe otherwise, but the only problem is- is that you're often wrong. It doesn't matter if a food has a so-called alkaline forming tendency or an acid forming tendency. Your body is going to buffer it either way.

It is perfectly NORMAL for your urine to be acidic, as this is one of the primary ways the body rids itself of acids, (which is a byproduct of normal metabolic processes such as breaking down your food. ) If you did not excrete that acid you could become acidotic if your other systems didn't compensate. So what is it you're looking for with the pH strips?

If you want to spend your time holding a pH strip under a stream of urine because you're worried about tonsil stone formation, all i can say is, it's a heck of a way to spend your time here on earth. I'd personally rather find the mechanical problem - (in my case pockets) fix the problem and be done with it, than deal with all the ritualistic gargling, waterpiking, dietary changes and other hassles. (I already have to watch fat, calories, sugar and sodium. I can't imagine having to worry about the acidity of foods on top of all those other things i have to tippy-toe around!) It's a matter of how much time you want to put into this, and how much you'd want it to interfere (or even dominate?) your life.

Your body deals with pH balance using feedback systems. A primary way of ridding the body of acid is increased respiration. For example, one of the reasons you huff and puff during exercise is not just because it's strenuous. It's because with increased muscle activity there is a build up of acid and your body needs to get rid of that. Since the respiratory center in the brain stem helps regulate hydrogen ion concentrations in the BODY FLUIDS, ( by controlling the rate and depth of breathing,) when the body cells increase their production of carbon dioxide (as during exercise) the production of carbonic acid increases. When that starts to dissociate, (the molecule breaks into different parts) the concentration of hydrogen ions goes up, and then pH goes down. THAT higher concentration of H+ in the blood plasma, (or BODY FLUIDS) is what stimulates chemosensitive areas in the respiratory center. This is why your rate and depth of breathing is increased. It's to rid the body of excess acid.

This is how feedback systems work/respond in the body. If you think yours is out of whack, causing (this is all per your theory) you to become too acidic, therefore causing an overgrowth of bacteria, and then this causing stone formation, then why don't you go to your doctor and run this theory by him/her to see what they think? They may have some valuable input for you. What does your ENT have to say about the cause of your stones? Have you asked about that?
 
whatastoner last decade
Justme,

kmoeller added back dairy which was the only variable. That points more to mucous formation than anything.


As far as Byron supporting your theory goes, you left off an important part of Byron's post when you quoted it. I guess that's because it may contradict the point you were trying to make.

>>>Keep in mind my tonsils are extraordinarily huge. I feel very strongly that the products we consume add enormously to the production, size, and quality of the stones. I also feel that despite this experiance, food products seem not to be the sole basis for the stones very well being, JUST THEIR AMPLIFICATION. I am sorry but I just can not wait another month. Take into account what I have said because I too have tried drastic and scientific measures. I have one the best ENT doctors in the central valley region of California by my side. It's time for me to get even with these nasty stones. They will hinder me no more, atleast not nearly to the extent that they do now.
 
whatastoner last decade
whatastoner dude.

You are way to hostile to even address. I've done nothing more than gather what I think is the most acurate relivant information out there relivant to the topic.

You may want to think about your motivation.

Perhaps this forum has nothing to offer you?

Maybe since you do not suffer from tonsil stones this isnt the forum for you?

Maybe if i'm offering information on a topic that is of no interest to you... you could just ignore it.

I've read quite a bit about the pH topic... i feel it's relivant and of interest and have recommended that people do their OWN research.

If you don't get it. That frankly is not my problem. I've put it in the simplist english i can think of.

I wish you well, but frankly you are not a person I would like in my life and will be ignoring.

On a final note... if you really arent nomorstinkbombs you could certainly be first cousins ;)
 
justmebyanyname last decade
Just me dude,

Now you've got me curious as to why you couldn't get along with nomostinkbombs. I'll have to go back and look over the posts. But i certainly have noticed that some very interesting people who had interesting ideas are no longer here. Did you run them off too like you're trying to do with me?

This is not your forum Just me, and you'd be well to remember that. And by the way, if you think i'm hostile because i'm capitalizing words, you shouldn't. That's only for emphasis, as there is no other way to emphasize a word here. I'm not yelling when i capitalize a word.

Why don't you answer my questions rather than try to say i'm hostile or a "first cousin" of nomostinkbombs? If you have any doubt that i'm a new poster then ask admin to check and see if "nomo"and i are even from the same state. That should be easy enough to check.

You must feel you have a weak point or else you could address the issue without trying to attack my character, or try to get people suspicious of it.

And calling me "DUDE!" ? God that sounds ridiculous. I don't mind being mistaken for a male, that can happen online. But if you're not under 25 using the term "DUDE!" just sounds ridiculous.

Don't worry about what this forum can offer me. I'll determine that.

Don't you think you've run off ENOUGH interesting people already? I'm guessing "nomo" was one of them and that's why you're paranoid about who i am?
 
whatastoner last decade
WOW are my eyes open! You got in an all out brawl with nomo!! And i see - with just a very preliminary reading of THREE of his posts, that you were attacking his character, making false accusations, and not answering his questions either. Unbelievable the games some people play.

Here's a NEWSFLASH for you Just me. I came here to learn about tonsil stones. NOT play games with some weak person who can't (according to nomo too!) prove their theories, and who, when pressed to do so, rather than answer questions, STARTS ATTACKING THE PERSON'S CHARACTER.

What a pathetic way to treat other human beings. You could NEVER get away with this garbage in "real" life. Is that why you're bullying people online here? Because you can't do it anywhere else?

It's too bad if you feel i've attacked your theory, because you should be able to defend it if it holds water. And the only reason i am attacking it is because it places an UNDUE STRESS on people to eat PERFECTLY which is unrealistic and unreasonable.
 
whatastoner last decade
jen7981,

Somewhere lost in the past is a post that explains how I clean my tonsils with the water pic... I put it on the lowest setting and keep my fingers on the on & off switches. I pulse it. The pressure is just too high for using it to clean your tonsils really. You can get a 412 monoject syringe that will safely clean your tonsils without the worry of doing damage by high pressure.

GL!
 
justmebyanyname last decade
Just me,
You've had many theories on this, and it appears you may be driving yourself a little crazy trying to "figure" this thing out. Maybe you are reading far too much into this whole thing. Maybe your body, mind and soul ALL need a rest from worrying about this problem.

I can only say this because i've had to deal with these things for 30 years now, and i've been where you are ..... with the experimentation and all... but mostly my experimentation was with different foods. I also have to spend 20 minutes a day brushing, flossing, scraping the tongue. etc. Needless to say it's exhausting. It eats up your life.

With some of these people being as young as 13 years old, i wouldn't wish that trial and error lifelong sentence on anyone. You can spend YEARS trying to figure this thing out, as i have done and apparently you have too. How much more of your life are you willing to give up just to hold onto your tonsils?

Here are some of your posts trying to figure this thing out:

"I’m going to try irrigating with Apple Cider Vinegar with water again. It worked the first time for a while..." 8-19-05

"I'm just trying to figure out if the lymph system kicks this bacteria up and out into the tonsil from somewhere else in the body." 10-06-05

"One natural thyroid health recommendation is to avoid fluoride and chlorine." 10-21-05

"Another thing I heard that I'm going to try now... iodine. ...... the thyroid needs iodine... I have a history of thyroid problems in my family even though I always pass the tests. I think this is some how connected but I'm not seeing all the dots yet." 10-21-05

"I'm going to avoid tap water...." 10-21-05

"Keep mucus production to a minimum by avoiding dairy ... " 11-03-05

"I did read somewhere that the tonsils store sulfer to kill bacteria." 11-03-05

"back to my iodine theory, I don't put salt with iodine on food as a rule." 11-03-05

"avoid chlorine, switch from tap water to bottled water if necessary." 11-03-05

"Helibactor Pylori may be what we all have but who knows." 11-03-05

"I'm hoping to get someone else to test my theory of baryta iodide." 11-03-05

"AVOID dairy AND NUTS!!!" 11-03-05

"We need a chemist to explain what protein sulfer is! :S Maybe the bacteria is making sulfer out of the DMSP because we do not have enough? I can't decide if the methyl mercaptan gas is a product of a chemical reaction of the break down of DMSP. Wikipedia says marine bacteria appear to obtain most of their protein sulfur by the breakdown of DMSP. If our bodies had more sulfer would this bacteria still break down the DMSP? or is that even happening." 11-03-05

"I think we need a group of people to try irrigating with baking soda and water or with sparkling water (carbonated water) as a control to see which works best!!!"11-03-05

"I'm thinking we should try using a BASE to change the pH levels to see how that result compairs to the ACIDs. Carbonated water is my next idea" 11-09-05

"One of the reasons I'm suggesting this is something I've been reading about yeasts. Dr. Bruce Semon, M.D., Ph. D. says, vinegar helps yeast grow. And we still don't know what kind of bacteria this is we have growing in us. Just in case it is yeast related...I'm thinking plan B is the irrigation with a BASE on a regular basis. " 11-09-05

"Oh, and inspite of posting that baking soda, salt and water recipe... i think it make work best without the salt." 11-10-05

"This method is used to clean veggies and fruits and I think we could use it sucessfully in cleaning our throats...
"When cleaning fruits or vegetables, simply spray them well first with both the vinegar and the hydrogen peroxide, and then rinse them off with tap water.
It doesn't make a difference which one you use first - you can spray either with the hydrogen peroxide followed by the vinegar, or with the vinegar and then the hydrogen peroxide." 11-11-05

"Or do you think taking the antibiotics for the places the irrigation cant reach and maybe irrigating to unbalance the pH will kill the others so that MAYBE you could be rid of them?" 11-16-05

"I think you people with the 'Primal Defense' idea may be on the right track! I've ordered my supply tonight. I'll let you all know how it goes. I'll be starting with the anti-fungal first." 11-17-05

" I think we are on the right track here! I sooo think this could be linked to too much yeast-fungus production in us." 11-23-05

"maybe if you try vinegar follow with carbonated water to clear it out maybe?" 11-23-05

"you may want to try that Candida cleanse diet as well." 11-23-05

"do you eat a lot of the foods listed here?
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popularhealthdiets/a/candida... 11-23-05

"Have any of you tried these things recommended by Nesha-India in http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254/3

Re: Homeopathy prescribed Allopathically - THIS FOR THAT From Nesha-India on 2005-10-07 today's THIS FOR THAT, is in response to "Zofay", in http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/39270/

HALITOSIS = FOUL or OFFENSIVE BREATH

OPTION NO. 1. :
EPSOM SALT : Take 5 grams of EPSOM SALT (I.P. .or. B.P.). Dissolve in 100 ml water. Deep Throated - Gargle strongly 5-6 times. NO fresh water gargle after above. Do this 2-3 times a day, for many days. Epsom Salt is a natural bactericide & germicide. This is guaranteed to eliminate all bacters & germs in the entire oral space (mouth n throat), eliminating the tendency for Halitosis (foul or offensive breath).
The taste of epsom salt is not very pleasant, but then nothing works better than above, without taking any Homeopathic or any medicines whatsoever. It is perfectly safe, if the above solution is ingested / swallowed.

OPTION NO. 2. :
MOUTH WASH : Calendula-Q (mother tincture) (one teapoon in 100 ml water). 2 times daily.
If a person uses Calendula-Q as a mouth wash, he will never have dental problems, like decaying tooth, foul breath, tooth pain or the need for root canaling. Gargle strongly for 5-6 times. NO fresh water gargle after above.

OPTION NO. 3.:
offensive breath - Agaricus Muscarius
offensive mouth smell - Natrum Muriaticum
offensive breath, due to digestion problems - Pulsatilla Nigricans
offensive smell, (specially stools or anywhere) - Rhus Glab.
putrefying smell - Podophyllum Peltatum
offensive breath, due to any respiratory tract problem - Capsicum
offensive smell, from eructing - Sulphur" 11-23-05


"Has anyone tried taking sulfer?

I think we need victims... I mean volunteers to try these things maybe ;) I'm going back to the theory here that these are sulfer producing bacteria that benifit us. That maybe our bodies need that sulfer those bacteria are producing and maybe if we gave it extra they wouldn't have a purpose. I still think we need to unbalance the pH to kill them though just for short term, but we have to figure out how to get rid of them permanently.

As many times as sulfer has been recommended to us by homeopathic practitioners I think this may be our best bet for long term cure. But we need someone to be specific in the dosage." 11-23-05

"Seriously debating with myself over vinegar. Anybody find the research that proves it increases yeast production in intestines?"11-23-05

"I know you were on the high dosages of probiotics and were even irrigating with them. How did it go? Please report back for us so I don't try this if it doesn't work."12-02-05

"You need to make sure you are sanitizing your tooth brush between brushings."12-09-05

"A water pic is very useful for getting rid of plaque and cleaning under the gum line." 12-09-05

Because the sinus are so involved, I believe you have to do a sinus wash atleast every few days."12-09-05

"Has anyone tried the epsom salt idea yet? I keep putting it off because of the taste. I'm so thinkin the honey sounds better!!!" 12-15-05

"I'm wondering how we could test if other things kill these things? Cinnamon, Oregano Oil, and Peppermint Oil are a few of the things i've been looking into maybe using together with the honey water along with epsom salts and probiotics. " 12-16-05

"I have been thinking that gunk we find in our tonsils that isnt yet a stone is the ' Actinomyces israeli ' - and the stones we find are the nanobacteria surrounded by that bacteria - and the 'giant' stones they find in some people are just the nanobacteria alone." 12-23-05

"And get this...could be bacteria from Mars. ;) UH HUH! The planet Mars. Another creative way to sell I think. But I'm looking for the sources." (referring to dental plaque, which is bacteria) 12-23-05

"I am convinced that they are contagious, but not everyone catches them and I'm wondering why. Why? WHY?!"12-23-05

"I'm also curious if there are different foods that you like or eat more of or less of?" 12-23-05

"You're allergic to something there that makes the stone problem worse." 1-6-06

"intracellular hypersensitivity is a new one... I'll have to explore that."1-6--06

"I think the link is that both are bacteria that can maybe be 'cured' with pro-biotics. The only problem is if they are 'nano-bacteria' which I'm almost/pretty/kinda convinced they are partially made up of. In that case the only real cure I think will be EDTA with tetracycline. But I do so hope that is wrong. But just read again tonight how a med student 'cured' theirs by mass doses of tetracycline they were taking for acne."1-6-06

"I'm very familiar with the principles of genetics. This is not genetic." 1-6-06

"I think anytime my immune system is lowered the tonsil stone production increases. This includes exposing myself to cigarette smoke or household dust that I'm allergic to...all the way up to just not getting enough sleep." 1-12-06



There is much more. As you have said:

"I've spent countless hours reading on this topic and things related to it." 1-6-06

I guess my question would be.......WHY? You, unlike me, knew of this a while back. Why fool with the CAUSE of tonsil stones if you can just get them out and, ( for most people at least,) the problem is gone for good? If a tonsillectomy didn't work for you then you could try all this other stuff again.

You really are trying soooo hard to find what causes these, but you're driving yourself crazy. You can go round and round in circles, but this road will never end.
 
whatastoner last decade
i believe that the reason why we all have mucous production is because drainage is fine but it is when we dont drain is not fine then that causes other problems in our bodies like with our ears and nose and throat they are all hooked together somehow we are one body and when one is screwed up then the other is not to far behind one more thing these stupid doctors that give out steroids need to be shot in the because you do your body more harm when you take a steroid than good because steroids work against your adrenal gland and thyroid so think about this if anyone has had a tonsillectomy and now drainage think it is supposed to be that way... so stop driving self crazy i used to get these little stink bombs when i was a kid and never thought anything about them now i am screwed up because of tonsillectomy that did not remove all of the tissue underneath now i have to go and get this removed also so i can drain out of my ears. and they wont feel plugged up any more and can breathe better. like a normoal human being... i am not against tonsillectomy but am against bad doctors who practice bad medicine .... like the ones who tell you that your symptoms are all in your head. when they are not....
 
tonsils gone last decade
Hey gang,
If thinking about getting the surgery ... it's worth the read. It's a study from 2001.
http://www99.mh-hannover.de/institute/anatomie2/pdf-files/Pa...

I was looking for the information on the laser crypt surgery(where they open up the crypts but dont remove the tonsils), but didnt find it at just this moment. Guys in Isreal developed the technique I think?

I did remember another reason it was we were also convinced that food trapped in tonsils wasnt the cause...there was someone who reported on here that they fasted for a month every year and still got the stones.

laters... GL!
 
justmebyanyname last decade
why is it so aggressive in here.gets me tense just reading it. JUSTME you have some valid points on Ph levels. i suffer from dry mouth could be due to high acids. penny for my thoughts. oral gel helps with bad breath too.
no offence WHATASTONER but im 99% sure your nonstinkbomb.

lets not cherish our opinions so much hey?
 
peperonimum last decade
i really dont think that the whole pH thing makes that much of a difference because like no one is going to go out of their way to make their pH level more basic or more acidic... i meant hink about it.. would you rather just undergo a surgery and have this problem solved or constantly worry about what you eat?

also..
i didnt have the white bumps for a few days and i just went in my bathroom to see if i had any and i saw this tiny white dot wedged in my tonsil then i pulled it out with a q tip... i then pushed back the area near my tonsil and found many more stones... i must have cughed up somewhere between 9-11!!

im getting worried now..
 
watermelon last decade
hi everyone...

I've been reading backposts, and just want to say that I see it both ways.

I can see the benefits of having this forum for those who want to try and figure out what causes this.

But I can also see the benefit in getting surgery if the tonsil stones are a problem for you. (I know the intensity and severity differs from person to person.)

I just thought I would share my experience a little bit with the surgery.

I had fairly intense pain (although manageable with medication) for about a week following surgery, but I felt the whole time that I was healing. I honestly feel that that is because I made it a point to stay extremely hydrated. I can see why some people have problems, it does hurt to swallow, so you don't feel like drinking water, but then your throat starts to hurt worse and you get dehydrated, which makes the pain a lot worse.

I just forced myself to drink a lot even though it hurt. I really advise anyone about to get the surgery to remember that the pain of swallowing isn't THAT bad, and it's definitely better than the pain would be if you were to get dehydrated.

So in general, you'll probably be a little out of it for a week. I had mild/moderate pain for about a week after that, but I was back at work and everything after a week.

I know things can go wrong, but I had a very positive experience with my surgery, and I feel 150% better. I haven't had a sore throat since the surgery (about 5 weeks now)--that in and of itself is a miracle. :)

Best of luck to all of you with your decisions, whether it is surgery, or whether you're searching for the solution.

I'm sure I'll still pop in and out every once in a while.
 
blpsara last decade
I have been entertaining guests for awhile and it seems like a lot has happened since I last posted.
My tonsil stones have improved but they aren't gone yet. I am trying lots of different things and I tend to agree with justme. Each body is different; I happen to have very dry skin which is helped by my diet and the use of vitamin E whereas someone else may have oily skin and wouldn't have to hassle it. I think the stones are the same. I appreciate the information about ph balance as I am interested in creating a hostile environment for bacteria.
Several years ago, I battled intestinal upsets, the doctor said it was giardia for which she prescribed antibiotics. This was only the third time I had used antibiotics in my entire life.
They did not help my problem (after which the doctor told me she couldn't help me) but research on the internet led me to using coconut oil. It took care of business in 2 days. I now use it every several days. I don't advocate that for anyone else, it is just what works for me. I have a very healthy body but it seems to need certain things from time to time. I am a research librarian and there are ways to determine the validity of information one gets from the internet. Believe me, I am always instructing students as to how to determine if the information is valid.
I like the back and forth of info here and if someone posts something I don't agree with, I ignore it and move on to other posts. The problem is vexing and when anyone can say for sure that they have a cure, believe me, I will be all over it in a heartbeat! Until then, what a battle!
 
freshbreath last decade
Me again. I meant to mention that my husband is an identical twin. He has a rare blood disorder (dangerously low platelets) for which his brother has been worked up by City of Hope as a possible bone marrow donor. They are genetically identical yet the one brother does not have MDS. So is it from environmental causes? Immune system gone funny? Who knows but we continue to research to see what might help.
 
freshbreath last decade
whatastoner,

there are people, like myself, who are not at all eager to undergo something as serious as surgery to deal with this problem.

you quoted someone who mentioned that if you drink enough water, you will heal easily and without much fuss.

let me direct to one of my previous posts, in which i detail my history of small surgeries and my subsequent painful recoveries.

if i could get my tonsils out and just experience a week of discomfort, perhaps i would consider surgery a valid route. but i am 99% that would not be the case with me, and as such, i am looking for alternative (and less intrusive) ways to deal with this problem.

please do not brow-beat someone just for sharing their theories. this is not the place for hostility, but rather for encouraging everyone to share any insights they may have.

let me remind you: if you don't like the theories that someone has shared, you are in no way obligated to test them out. just ignore them.
 
kmoeller last decade
hey bunch!!
it's me, byron. my tonsil removale date is scheduled!! the ent doc told me this 'problem' is very common. i can't wait to go under the knife and be relieved of these nasty things. nothing else works but tonsil removal. otherwise, these little nasty things will love you!! hey



its your throat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace : byron
 
Byron M last decade
Byron,

That is wonderful news! You sound really excited. My ENT was familiar with these too, although now i wish i had asked more questions about WHY some people get them and others don't. (Because i don't have tonsils but still have them.)

Just make sure that you monitor yourself closely after the surgery to make sure you heal correctly. If you develop a pocket like me your problem will not be solved. Although with how extreme yours are in number, they would be drastically reduced even if you DID develop a pocket!!

Good luck!!
 
whatastoner last decade
kmoeller,

The other day you said....

'i'm hoping that i'm not wrong in saying that the purpose of this board should be for us to try to find a common link so that we can eventually eliminate and prevent tonsil stones. i don't think that anyone is out of line by sharing their theories on what causes stones.'

Of course you're not wrong about that. I guess where my frustration comes in is when i disagreed with a theory, so i am accused of being another poster. A poster who apparently justme had a problem with -- because THAT person ALSO disagreed with her theories.

I guess if you were me you'd just have to ask yourself if you felt like someone was trying to silence opposing views. That's how it seems to me. Accusing me of being another poster is also a really crummy way to treat someone who is new to the board.

I wasn't trying to brow-beat anyone or be hostile either. I agree with you that this is not the place for that. I usually don't get 'hostile' until i see someone playing some pretty nasty games. After all, if someone accuses you of being another poster, there is virtually NO WAY to prove otherwise. The person doing the accusing KNOWS THIS. It's one of the dirtiest things you can do to someone on-line, and it was totally uncalled for.

Besides that, i have a very strong backround in anatomy/physiology, so i DON'T appreciate someone saying i'm giving out 'inaccurate information'. If i'm referring to my opinion i usually say something indicating that like, 'not that i know of.' Otherwise, if i'm talking about anatomy/physiology and i DON'T say that, what i'm saying would refer to the factual way something is structured or works. I don't appreciate someone trying to discredit me on a subject i'm pretty solid in.

If you can't understand where i'm at with this then i guess you'd have to ask yourself how you'd feel if someone tried to discredit you, first by accusing you of giving out 'inaccurate info' and secondly by trying to accuse you of being another poster, when it's pretty obvious there's no way to prove THAT one way or the other.

Sorry for the vent...but i hope we can move on from this. Tonsil stones really are an interesting subject and i'm sure there's more to explore with it.
 
whatastoner last decade
This is, once again, getting out of hand.

I'm sure everybody has an interesting contribution to make, and we welcome them all. BUT please keep it civil.

Disagreement is an essential ingredient of debate, and debate is a good way of exploring a topic. When it becomes personal though, it's of interest to nobody.

If you disagree with something someone has said, present your truth calmly and clearly on the facts in question. Do not bring personalities into it.

Next person to sound even a little bit aggressive gets banned.

Thank You.
 
moderator last decade
Sounds good to me Moderator. I only wish you could tell the people here that i am not a poster who's ever been here before. That way what i say would be taken at face value without anyone being suspicious of it.

Justme,

I don't disagree with you when it comes to this being a major problem with bacteria. The only problem with that though is that you have over 20 different species of bacteria that live in your mouth normally. The amount ranges from 50 BILLION to 100 billion. Years ago when i was discussing the bad breath part of this problem with my dentist, i asked about gargling with Listerine. It's so strong and is supposed to kill bacteria. He said it does kill bacteria but they re-multiply so quickly the effect of gargling doesn't last long. So......gargling is only a temporary solution.

Changing your pH is only gonna be a temporary thing too, because your body is always fighting for homeostasis. Bacteria may be pH sensitive, but you couldn't change your pH in a significant enough amount to effect the growth of bacteria, before homeostatic mechanisms kick in to re-balance your pH.

For people with tonsil stones they can see, the waterpik is a lot better way to get them out. Especially because the longer the bacteria work on them, the worse they're gonna smell.

I hope you can get your crypts lazered as it sounds like a good solution if you want to keep your tonsils. I'm looking into the question you've asked many times about whether our tonsils produce the stones --- even though i know in my case food/mucous/dead skin caught in (at least) two different pockets causes bacteria proliferation and that THAT is the cause of the smell. But there is some indication that the tonsils, being lymph tissue, are reacting to viruses and bacteria (as lymph tissue is supposed to) as antigens, and possibly encapsulating the bacteria/viruses. (I think this was one of your theories early on.)So......i'm trying to look into this, but there isn't the amount of info on it that there is for other areas in the body that have lymph tissue.

As far as i can tell the crypts only serve to increase surface area - much like the convoluted way your intestines are too. It's just to increase effeciency. But if the lymph reacts by encapsulating bacteria/viruses it would seem like the same as the tonsils producing them from the inside - and then spitting them out.

It would also explain why the person fasting still got stones. We are always being exposed to bacteria and viruses, even if we don't eat food. And of course there's the 50 - 100 billion bacteria that are going to be there no matter what we do.
 
whatastoner last decade
Stoner,
You are going places I've already been, and I'm not going back. You'll be able to find the information in the history here. I don't have time for the repostings. I would rather go some place new.

And just as another observation... I would appreciate it if you would cite your sources when posting information as fact. TY in advance.
 
justmebyanyname last decade

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