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nomostinkbomb... you keep recommending the Listerine...have you read the label? Vinegar and Listerine both work on the same principle of changing the pH in the mouth, but vinegar probably won't hurt you (atleast its packaging doesnt require a safety label). And if you would rather go with the alcohol idea... I say get something you can really drink! Rinse and spit by all means if you like, but you want something that wont send you to the emergency room if you swallow it.

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From the fda.gov website

pH - Most bacteria will not grow at pH levels below 4.6. Microorganisms thrive in a pH range above 4.6. That's why acidic foods like vinegar and fresh fruits (especially citrus) seldom provide a favorable climate for pathogenic bacteria.
* FAQ
Some people say that alcohol or vinegar can kill bacteria. Is this true?
Yes, ethanol and isopropyl alcohol and vinegar, which is an acetic acid, do kill bacteria.
Ethanol alcohol at 70% is more effective at killing bacteria than at 90 to 100% because the alcohol gets inside the cell better. Isopropyl alcohol is even more effective at killing bacteria because it is less volatile. While alcohol is a good disinfectant for inactivating many bacteria, it will not inactivate bacterial spores that are resistant. At acidic pH levels, many bacteria are inactivated by vinegar (acetic acid).

Also from the fda.gov site

To Survive and Reproduce, Bacteria Need:
*Nutrients - Bacteria need many of the same nutrients as humans in order to thrive, such as glucose, amino acids, and some vitamins and minerals. For example, bacteria grow rapidly in high-protein foods, such as meat, poultry, eggs, dairy, and seafood.
*Moisture - Most bacteria thrive in moist environments. Dry foods, such as sugar, flour, dry cereal, rice, cookies, and biscuits do not have enough moisture to allow bacteria to grow. On the other hand, if dry foods become contaminated from infected hands or equipment, for example, bacteria can survive on the food and make people ill, but they can't grow or multiply until the food is eaten.
*pH - Most bacteria will not grow at pH levels below 4.6. Microorganisms thrive in a pH range above 4.6. That's why acidic foods like vinegar and fresh fruits (especially citrus) seldom provide a favorable climate for pathogenic bacteria. (Also see pH.)
*Temperature - Bacteria can multiply at temperatures between about 33.34° F (1° C) and 125° F (52° C). They divide rapidly at 80° to 105° F (27° to 41° C). Proper cooking kills bacteria in food and chilling foods slows the growth of bacteria. Both methods decrease the risk of foodborne illness.
*Time - Bacteria can double their numbers within hours. They grow best at human body temperature (98.6° F, 37° C) and can divide 2 to 3 times per hour. Food that's left out at room temperature for long periods of time creates an inviting environment for bacterial growth.
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The only one of those 5 things that bacteria need to grow that we can control is pH.

Having said all of this... I'm the person that recommended the vinegar in the first place, BUT I'm thinking we should try using a BASE to change the pH levels to see how that result compairs to the ACIDs. Carbonated water is my next idea. One of the reasons I'm suggesting this is something I've been reading about yeasts. Dr. Bruce Semon, M.D., Ph. D. says, vinegar helps yeast grow. And we still don't know what kind of bacteria this is we have growing in us. Just in case it is yeast related...I'm thinking plan B is the irrigation with a BASE on a regular basis. I think we need some people to try irrigating with baking soda and water or with sparkling water (carbonated water).

saw this recipe posted at a site for a sinus infection cure...
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp baking soda
1 pint warm water

Good Luck all... still looking for more than a temporary solution to this permanent problem!
 
justmebyanyname last decade
I have had my tonsils taken out and my ears have rung ever since that after my healing was over with then my ears rang and stuff goes down my throat and it irritates it and also that stuff is somehow getting into my ear can someone help me with this little problem I am having.
 
tonsils gone last decade
sorry to hear that tonsils gone! I think someone said the ringing is caused when the surgery leaves the wall between your eustation tubes and throat are too thin. Not sure what could be done about that.

Do you have tonsil stones living in your throat now still?

If you do... this is what I would do...

Get a monoject 421 syringe from the druggist (its used for dental irragation) - use this to clean out between the tonsil pillars in the sides of your throat. Google tonsil diagrams to make sure you know what your looking for there.

Get one of those baby nose clearer thingies that look like a round ball with a straw sticking out - use this to clear your sinuses (this is a gross thing but if you dont have tonsils and this stuff is growing up there somewhere... this is a somewhere it's probably growing)

Now the big question for you is what to use to clean your throat and sinuses with... my recommended choices are vinegar and water OR baking soda, salt and water. You need to read back to make that decision for your self. I did do a recap a page back that may help you.

There is a lot to wade through to find the information you need. But, you may learn something new, or be able to give us another hint or direction to look.

Wish we could tell you there is a magic pill to cure you... but there isnt. Good Luck!
 
justmebyanyname last decade
Hey, I forgot to tell you all... remember when I was going on about iodine? And the lady I heard about gargling using a drop of iodine in a glass of water.

Turns out iodine is used as a sanitizer too, BUT it is a BASE!!!!!

Oh, and inspite of posting that baking soda, salt and water recipe... i think it make work best without the salt. Not sure why... we need a chemist for that :S GL all.
 
justmebyanyname last decade
I've noticed that if I get bleeding gums when I floss, then I get stink bombs afterwards. So the trick is to keep flossing and keep gargling to remove the white stuff between your teeth. Someone asked about psychological effects. Apart from feeling like you've got to keep apologising for your breath, I think the main thing is a lack of confidence about your health. And this may be justified. Anyone with these stinkies is RUN DOWN and needs to build themselves up. This means active measures: good sleep, good food, lots of water, very concentrated oral hygiene, reduce stress, rest, vitamin supplements, cut alcohol and cigs, take positive measures. You may be young and think - I don't care - but the great thing is with these stinkos, the thing is measurable. Now I am 7 weeks on new regime and only 2 stinkos after dental work. And I am more cheerful and feeling stronger. Join the anti-stink bomb campaign. Get rid of em for good.
 
Wienerin last decade
thanks i will try that but i dont understand why mine had to come out because of fluid behind the ear? but do you still have your tonsils justme
because i had a happy life before this stupid surgery dont understand how so many doctors can justify taking them out any way because we were created with them and i heard someone say that they will grow away well that is bull never heard of that it is all a big hocus pocus cause doctors dont understand what they do so they take them out so they can create more problems for that person so i am looking for a good attorney that i can sue this m...f. for doing this to me.
 
tonsils gone last decade
tonsils gone,

Yep, I've still got mine. How long ago was it you had your tonsils out? Are you sure you've totally healed?

Fluid behind the ear? I think that would mean your tonsils were swollen and blocking the draining of your eustation tubes from your ears. But that's a guess. I think most doctors dont know about tonsil stones still! They will usually tell you its food particals trapped and decaying. It's not. I'm sure the doctor didn't preform the surgery to try and cause you harm, and there are always risks when you take that route. I'm sure he/she's covered their behind, and sueing would only cause you additional anger. But that's just my take on it. Hope your condition improves! Try the things we've recommended for trying to kill off the bacteria in your throat. I'd invest in a waterpik eventually to clean between your teeth. See if that takes care of your problem. Was thinkin maybe that you have these growing in the end of your eustation tubes that might be causing the sound in your ears not to be right. Just a thought. GL!
 
justmebyanyname last decade
Someone asked about hydrogen peroxide. I've tried to gargle with it in the past and it seriously gagged me. I've used it in my ears with great sucess. Here's what I've learned. It doesnt really work well as a disinfectant alone.

From h2o2.com ...

"Hydrogen peroxide, a mild disinfectant, is useful in counteracting various microorganisms. Because of their antiseptic action, dilute hydrogen peroxide solutions (3% or less) are frequently used to treat open wounds and can be used as a gargle or mouthwash. However, contact or concentrated solutions (over 3%) with the members of the mouth is to be avoided. Under no circumstances should hydrogen peroxide be taken internally. If hydrogen peroxide is swallowed, drink water immediately to dilute, and contact a physician but do not attempt to cause vomiting."


If you're feeling brave... here are somethings to try.


I got this information from healingdaily.com

This method is used to clean veggies and fruits and I think we could use it sucessfully in cleaning our throats...
"When cleaning fruits or vegetables, simply spray them well first with both the vinegar and the hydrogen peroxide, and then rinse them off with tap water.
It doesn't make a difference which one you use first - you can spray either with the hydrogen peroxide followed by the vinegar, or with the vinegar and then the hydrogen peroxide. There won't be any lingering taste of hydrogen peroxide or vinegar, and neither is toxic to you even if a small amount were to remain on the produce.
The sprays of hydrogen peroxide and vinegar do an exceptionally good job at sanitizing counters and other food preparation surfaces such as wood cutting boards.
In tests performed at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (1), combining the 2 mists eliminated virtually all Salmonella, E. coli bacteria or Shigella on heavily contaminated foods and surfaces when used in this manner, making this spray combination more effective at destroying these potentially deadly bacteria than any commercially available kitchen cleaner or chlorine bleach.
In one study (1), the best results were obtained when one used one spray right after the other - this method was several times more effective than using either mist by itself and more effective than mixing both liquids in one spray bottle."

Here's something else that I have tried that might be useful since our tonsil and eustation tubes are realllly close and I think we harbor bacteria in there too...
"Remarkable results can be achieved in curing colds and the flu within 12-14 hours when we administer a few drops of 3% Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) into each ear. The H2O2 starts working within 2-3 minutes in killing the cold or flu. There will be some bubbling and in some cases mild stinging might occur. I do this myself and I can assure you that it is not painful in any way. It tickles more than anything.
Wait until the bubbling subsides - usually a few minutes - then drain onto a tissue and repeat with the other ear.
Although this practice is perfectly safe for infants and children to use, the loud bubbling and stinging may frighten them, and they will need someone they trust to put the hydrogen peroxide in their ears. DO NOT get hydrogen peroxide in the eyes - if you do, flush with water.
Many people have also successfully used the 3% Hydrogen Peroxide solution in ears packed with wax, to help loosen it up after it has been soaked with oil for a few minutes (any oil will do, olive oil usually works best)."

Ok... enough posts from me for the week! I'll get back to this problem later...much later. If anyone tries this, please report your results. GL!
 
justmebyanyname last decade
I've been getting them again for the past two months, I went to the doctor and got him to give me a swab to take home and then I waited for a stink bomb to come, managed to swab one the next day and sent it back to the lab for culture, the results came back today and I've got abnormal high levels of anaerobic cultures, have been given antibiotics so hopefully they will clear itup(until next time!)

I recommend that everyone go to their doctor and get swabbed just to check for underlying infection.
 
Lisam last decade
Lisam - that confirms what I've always thought... the tonsils are infected. No amount of dairy avoiding, mouth swilling, peroxide swabbing etc etc will get rid of the bugs that are causing the stones.

You'll notice your tonsils will be much less swollen while you're on antibiotics and that the stones will get less active for a short while after. The bugs will be killed off in large numbers which is why you'll have less problems for a while.

Unfortunately, the bugs will start to recolonise the healthy bit again. The reason for that is that they don't like oxygen - it kills them - so they hide in the crypts in your tonsils. The antibiotic can only get where your blood can go so although it will kill off a hell of a lot of them the blood supply to the tonsils isn't good enough to kill them ALL off. So those that are left take a while to build back in numbers again.

If it was possible to get more blood/antibiotic into the deepest bits of the tonsils it'd be likely to get rid of the stones permanently.

I'm afraid I don't know how to do that... Just a thought, but massaging the tonsils just might do it - along with intensive singing (yes, singing). When you do both you encourage more blood to the general area of the tonsils. See what I wrote ages ago about prostate trouble - another place with a bad blood supply.

And... you've probably got some of the same bugs lurking around your teeth. I would use the famous peroxide rinse to attack these while you are on the medication. Reason is, the antibiotics won't touch those because there's no blood supply and peroxide basically explodes into oxygen when it get into contact with with the surfaces where the bugs are hiding which sees them off.

Thoughts anyone ? (apart from avoiding dairy...)
 
albert22 last decade
Sorry - massaging and singing ONLY when on antibiotics for anaerobic bacteria.
 
albert22 last decade
What a find!

Does ear candling have any positive effect?

Peroxide-commercial preparations are full of tin, I've read. Better to use food grade?

I used Primal Defense and had NO tonsil issues...I'm going to try it again.

Haven't used dairy very much at all for a long time...and I think it's why my stones case is mild.

I have always had itchy ears!
 
JenniferSco last decade
hey jennifer do you read the makers diet at all....that is where primal defense came from?
 
tonsils gone last decade
Yeah, Primal Defense has helped everyone I have reccomended it to for many different ailments. I too am experiencing this nastiness recently. I am going to fast for a week as I have done in the past, and get back on primal defense, alkaline pH and avoid yeast supporting foods. I agree with keeping the tonsils--they tell us when we need to get clear. For me, fasting is the best doctor ever. And great for a rewarding challenge. I will post my findings. Death to tonsil funk!!!
 
sky17 last decade
Tonsils gone, I did read the makers diet and now I wonder where the book went. Maybe in storage and I should get it out again. Seems like the last time I thumbed through it I was surprised and thought it had some grains or dairy or SOMETHING that I have not been eating, as I'm sticking with a cleansing diet for the most part.

I'll be eager to see how things work for you, sky, with the primal defense, pH, and no yeast approach.

I work with kids with add and autism and enzymes are huge for them, and holistic regular and alternative docs are saying how critical they are. I have started one by enzymetica called virastop. They do have digestive enzymes..but this is meant to be used on an empty stomach to go after what we want to get rid of. It is supposed to break down the walls of the bad stuff, the inner core of yeast and all sorts of things.

My tonsil stuff AND cold sores went down to NOTHING when I fasted for 5 days on water, fresh lemon juice, cayenne and a bit of organic unsulfered molasses. I felt sick when I ran out of the latter and used sulfured.

I was reminded the other day by a friend who made a connection with another subject to the fact that the plague came when a crazy leader decided he hated cats, and all cats should be killed.

In our bodies we have things we do not like, but maybe they serve a purpose. If our bodies are like toxic dumps and our lymph doesn't move, guess what takes over?

Skin brushing, rebounding to move the lymph, massage...all wonderful.

no stink bomb person is a Coast to Coast late night radio fan, as I am, and I am delighted to read those posts!
Nano stuff and other science found there IS totally cool. And how come it is that 80 something scientists have died who are our microbiology wizzes around the world? Many of who had very suspicious dealths...and now this bird flu?

Thinking about stones and what virus and bacteria may be connected reminds me of this - I was surprised to learn that Roche uses 90% of the world supply of the oily feeling star anise flower to make Tamiflu, which is being touted as what we all need for the flu. They cannot synthesize the stuff, obviously. Hmmm. I bought some, along with orris root and juniper berries, ground it up as a tooth powder.

That idea came when I saw the sixteen dollar price tag on that Miracle Dent product for .33 ounces - for the ingredients above, with calendula.

People here talk about Toms. Toms sold out completely. Flouride and sodium lauryl sulfate which are bad alone and surely do not mix.

I really like mercola and newstarget on the web.
 
JenniferSco last decade
yep you are right with reading that book i just wished i would have listened to it and not let stress make me make a wrong decision i feel like my lymph nodes are so congested and my husband he smokes and our house dont exactly smell like roses i also think that a tonsillectomy should be outlawed because i had alot of throat infections when i was little and mine always got better besides arent your tonsils there for that reason to protect your throat anyway.
 
tonsils gone last decade
i wonder about dr.'s sometimes especially surgeons that take out tonsils out of kids and then they tell the parents that the tonsil will give them mono my husband says ha ha 9/10 everything that your going to get you have caught it from someone else.
 
tonsils gone last decade
ya know i never got sick when i did do the peroxide and rinsed out my ear my dad used to say you get sick thru your ears nose and feet and hands and he still had his tonsils. but my question is why does a dr. say that the tonsil itself will make you sick when it is on the inside of you like your throat i dont believe that for one minute and i wished their could be a way to stop children having their tonsils taken out because i think that surgeons are getting too rich off of this surgery . but that is my opinion . with an exception that it is cancerous.
 
tonsils gone last decade
I also realized that the probability is strong that an underlying infection under a capped tooth has been not smelling healthy when I floss right around it. It has been for ever since the cap was placed. Iregret allowing this procedure, and now want to get this tooth and the underlying infection out of my head. I bet this is a major contributor to this tonsil stone phenomenon. Tooth-sinus-drip-stone cycle theory...
 
sky17 last decade
I use a neti pot with sea salt dilution every fewe days too. I have learned that by 'pulling' the salt water through my nasal passages and out of my mouth has really helped to get more blockage out, and reduced the stone experience dramatically. I got the idea by repeatedly chickening-out of trying the ayurvedic 'flossing' technique of clearing out that area. Several times when I first started 'pulling' through the salt water, it dislodged those nasty little deposits right then, and often within a minute or two after, I would clear my sinuses and throat and get some of that stuff out. What gross subject! I am glad there is this forum where we can fight back against the funk anonymously. I don't know too many people I would just call up and start talking to about this issue. So thanks to you'all.
 
sky17 last decade
Hi all - and sky. I have been wondering about the under-the tooth issue, so its interesting that you bring it up. It was on mercola, I think, that discussed root canals there's something about dead nerve tissue that stays.

That thing of pulling salt water through - you mention blockage. If you have blockage, do you know it, sense it, already? How do you measure the salt - and what type? I agree completely that it is great to be able to discuss this.

All these subjects must be connected- all this "stuff" in our heads!

Last night I candled an ear and used a brand with really wide openings. Somehow it didn't seem to pull much out- I like the smaller candles with smaller openings better.

As a kid I was never one with obvious ear wax, but after I tried candling I decided it was there all along, just in hiding and not going anywhere! I am told that lots of ear wax is indicative of food sensitivities.

Now when I do it there are slight signs of yeast and fungus, but mostly it's just golden stuff showing - at least the ancient stuff is gone!

When I did it the first time, for each ear I removed a consolidated "plug" out of the candle that was DARK brown. They say the darker, the older it is.

I have helped others with theirs and they are SO glad to get that stuff out - at first they're in denial. No, that's not from my ear. No way!! There's an audiology website that scoffs at all of this, saying all the wax is from the candles. It's the yucky truth that it is not so!
 
JenniferSco last decade
OK, I've got tonsilitis so I came across this thread while looking for info on that.

But after reading the posts in this thread I decided to look at my own throat, and I saw a white lump on my tonsil. It's more like, a spot, in that it's underneath the skin. It's been there for a few weeks aswell. I tried pushing on it but it won't come out.

I'm wondering whether it is actually a tonsil stone or if it's just because of my tonsilitis. I've never had any tonsil stones before.
 
Trevelyan last decade
Trevelyan - I have chronic viral (not bacterial/strep) tonsilitis, and though I get tonsil stones occasionally otherwise, I get them regularly and much worse during bouts of tonsilitis. BUT, I also get ulcers on my tonsils during tonsilitis. They're also white, but definitely not "poppable" - they are very painful to touch. You have to be careful poking around back there. I find that when my tonsils are infected, if I just leave them alone and don't poke around too much, the tonsilitis clears up more quickly. I also gargle regularly (during episodes of tonsilitis) with a weak cider vinegar/warm water solution and occasionally with warm salt water.

I would advise waiting for the infection to go away, and then seeing if you still have the white spot. If it's still there, you might try the suggestions on this board. For now, be gentle with your tonsils - they're infected and sore and you really don't want to make it worse for yoursel...
 
uberfletch last decade
Hi Jennifer,
you know I needed that ear candling validation. i bought four of them months ago, and still haven't done it as I have been skeptical, and not found an assistant for the task as result. i will though, trusting your recc. thanks...
 
sky17 last decade
sky...just be careful not to burn them standing straight up. They can drip wax down into your ear and you'll be a bit hard of hearing for a while. As long as it's tipped to the side a bit and leave your mouth open a bit it seems to work great. I havent done this in ages... didnt seem to do much for me. I could never decide what the stuff in was left in the remains... if from candle or ear. GL!
 
justmebyanyname last decade
Hi, about ear candling, I don't recall if I wrote this before...pretty sure I did - sitting up straight prevents wax from dripping back in ear. Just the other day I did the ear that I did not candle several months ago first ...and I saw a big difference in what was in the candle of the ear I already candled. Definitely ear wax and not candle wax. You can burn one and not use it to see what the residue is like.
 
JenniferSco last decade

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