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To Pat

It is not only the inches that count. It is the actual weight loss that is more important. I hope that you have recorded your weight loss as advised.

You were prescribed Nat Phos to help your GERD which you were suffering from for some time. Please report on your present condition.

Weight loss is just a bonus and there is no harm in continuing your therapy as long as you are not feeling tired or have any other symptoms that can indicate that you are exceeding your dosage of the NP.

You may like to know that in many hundreds of cases similar to yours where I prescribed NP for weight loss alone, the clients did not complain of any negative after effects of taking NP. It can safely be accepted therefore that this remedy is very safe to be used.

You are advised to drink plenty of liquids preferably water to help your body to rid itself of the harmful chemicals that are stored in your liver.

Pat

I also asked a question to Rooty, as you intelligently mentions that this is a forum for questions and answers, the reason I asked her why, is due to the fact that she doesnt believe in Homeopathy, please see her previous posts, so if i explain someone about what homeopathic treatment I am having, what difference would it make if that person thinks that homeopathy is nothing

sazim

So why ask Joe De Livera the same question over and over again if you don't believe what he says?

What difference does it make?



so if i explain someone about what homeopathic treatment I am having, what difference would it make if that person thinks that homeopathy is nothing

Sazim

What kind of answer is that to my questions?


Should I suggest to Mr. De Livera that he answer your questions with a 'why?'

Please give me intelligent answers to my questions?


What are medicine are you taking for your thyroid?

Who is your homeoapth?

'sazim' :
Congrat's on your hair-skinning analysis & matured questions on the obsessive glorified claims about Nat.Phos. and similarly you could find the same about Arnica as well. Please also ask Joe, the address of the imaginery Health farms in USA where millions are treated with Nat.Phos. for OBESITY (as he repeatedly claims, EVERYTIME) and for other ANY & ALL digestive diseases.

HOWEVER,
You should be happy that 'joe', 'girilal alias kuldeep alias .....', 'mohan', 'pat2006' and other cheer-leaders did not accuse you that 'sazim' is an alias for 'nesha-india', as they have been accusing me and another members 'ripas' and 'carlos' as being alias of nesha-india, in other threads.

You should be happy that 'joe', 'girilal alias kuldeep alias .....', 'mohan alias ....', 'pat2006' and other cheer-leaders DID NOT COMPLAIN to the Moderator Mr. Simon, TO HAVE YOU BANNED from this forum FOR WRITING AGAINST the above people, though Joe won't tell you why he has himself been banned from 'A L L' the other forums he used to visit.

This forum does not differentiate between false discoveries and actual medical provings. This forum does not differentiate between reckless, dangerous and irresponsible prescriptions verses sensible and real homeopathic prescriptions.

The Moderator keeps a strict & serious track on posts made by nesha-india, JUST BECAUSE nesha-india, makes & posts intelligent medical articles and prescriptions, as you are yourself aware of my following posts, some of which were started in relation to your own question put to nesha-india.

1. http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/40731/ , titled 'CALCIUM - Why is it not absorbable in the human body'
* * * Above post was started because of question put to nesha-india by 'sazim'
2. http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/38526/ , titled 'Heel Spurs = Plantar Fasciitis'
* * * Above post was started because of question put to nesha-india by 'sazim'
3. http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/52848/ , titled 'MILK - Why is it not absorbable in the human body ?'
4, http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/51562/ , titled 'ECZEMA - Causes & Treatment'
5. http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/39270/, titled 'HALITOSIS = Foul or Offensive Breath'
6. .....
7. ...

Sazim, YOU have posed a very wrong question to a very wrong person by asking questions on provings on Nat.Phos. on obesity and other ANY & ALL digestive disorders. Hope you realise the hype behind this obsessed self-glorification. IF you observe the posting pattern of joe, you will yourself realise that he himself is getting frustatingly 'WEARY' about his mono-prescriptions of Arnica & Nat.Phos for ANY & ALL diseases, to scores of patients he prescribes, as a daily routine for 6-8 hours on a daily basis, which he claims is his hobby at his static age of 76 with .........

To further confuse honest forum post readers on the actual post / topic contents, the above (FEW) people indulge in falsication and writing long-lengthy self-glorifiying and self-justification ridiculing posts on the above topics, without any medical justifications or reasonings.

The moment you ask them questions or point out their falsications, the above few members start ganging up against nesha-india and start complaining and banning nesha-india from this forum. The above members consistently keep on communicating each other by private email and also to the moderator coaxing him to ban nesha-india. BUT the moderator never sees that these very members are repeatedly insulting, abusing and calling irrelvant names to nesha-india.

Here the Moderator Mr. Simon, becomes so very biased SPECIALLY 'O N L Y' AT nesha-india, that at the slightest complaint from such members, repeatedly & immediately bans nesha-india, irrespective of the fact that nesha-india never posted any non-medical nonsense AND nesha-india has never ever posted any thing wrong UNLESS AND UNTILL (TO ANSWER BY WAY OF MIRROR RETALIATION) TO POINT OUT FALSICATION and reckless and dangerous prescriptions and ideas.

TO,
MODERATOR : BY WRITING THIS, nesha-india, IS NOT PROVING ANY POINT. B U T, STATING ONLY MEDICAL FACTS. THERE is no point in siding with certain prejudiced members and moderating posts specially by Nesha-India, at the behest of these members. People will start to get weary of this forum, as I have started to get and would voluntarily abandon this baised forum. Time to be neutral, please.

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India


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Here's an example of how FEW prejudiced members like joe, kuldeep alias girilal alias ......., pat2006, mohan alias ... and FEW others are in direct PRIVATE email communication and gang up against nesha-india and then complain to the moderator to have nesha-india banned and delete posts and topics started by nesha-india, AS IF IT MATTERS.

The member 'mohan alias ......', made the following two posts, as described below with proper links, Please note the dates.
NOW after private email communication's with joe, kuldeep alias girilal and others, he too became prejudiced and started abusing and insulting and accusing nesha-india. Mohan alias ..., even went ahead and falsely accused me of some imaginery wrong I wrote about 'robo007', which he could not prove and would not answer my straight & simple question I put to the above members, BUT yet repeatedly ganged up with joe, kuldeep alias girilal alias, pat2006 against the hallucinatary crusade called nesha-india.


* * * * * * * * POSTS MADE BY 'MOHAN'
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/38526/
Re: Heel Spurs = Plantar Fasciitis From Mohan on 2006-06-17
To Nisha,
My sincerest compliments to you for the way you started this thread and conducted it. It goes straight to the point and culminates into excellent exchange of informations.
All the best.
MOHAN
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http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/40731/
Re: CALCIUM - Why is it not absorbable in the human body From Mohan on 2005-12-07
Nisha-India,
The reason why I had invited authentic evidence on the role of Silicea in promoting Ca++ absorption in body is untanable.
I entirely endorse what you have said in your post on the subject.
Thanks for your input.
MOHAN
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MODERATOR : HOPE YOU SEE THE GANGING UP AGAINST NESHA-INDIA, by Joe, Kuldeep alias Girilal, Mohan, Pat2006 ..... as also is evident from the numerous private emails you get from this members to ban nesha-india or to delete posts / topics by nesha-india. Time to be neutral, please.

There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

just like to say i read joe's notes for nat phos and it worked for my constipation, cant believe it actually works, i'm taking it three days now

Thank you for confirming that it helped you. You will discover in a few days that you will not need its assistance as your body will soon take over naturally. In the meanwhile you are advised to use Papaw, Bananas, prunes and also other fresh fruit that may be in season all of which will help your problem.

You may like to know that I have used it extensively for senior citizens in some Homes for Elders and they were all delighted at the results.

Joe,

Few months ago after reading your posts, I had tried Nat phos 6x for weight loss. I took 2-3 tablets of it after lunch and dinner for about 5 days. It caused constipation, and so I didnt continue using it.

Does that mean that I was using too much nat phos ? An aggravation of nat phos ?

I am curious and would like to understand this better why my body reacted that way, since I read on a post on this thread that nat phos cured their constipation.

The constipation that you report is very unusual as Nat Phos 6x is an excellent softner of the stools. This is the first time that constipation has been reported as resulting from the use of NP

It will not of course be able to reduce weight in just 5 days this usually takes about 2 weeks when you can expect a minimum reduction of 1 lb per week.

You may reduce the number of tablets down to just 2 and report response in a few days.

Joe,

Thanks for your response.

Currently I am on another treatment plan with Dr. Dinesh Sharma on this forum. I do not know how the medicines may interact with each other so I will wait until that treatment is over. Once that finishes I would like to use the Nat Phos again for wt loss with the reduced dosage as you suggested above. After that I will report to you again how it goes.
I am interpreting the reduced dosage of 2 tablets that you mention is 2 tablets after lunch and another 2 after dinner (and not just 2 tablets in the entire day). Thanks.

The standard dosage that I prescribe for both weight loss and mild hyperacidity is 2 tablets of NP after each meal.

While we are talking about using Nat Phos, I have a question regarding use of homeopathic and biochemic medicines that end in 'Phos" including Nat Phos.

There is a theory that Fibromyalgia may be associated/caused by the buildup of phosphate in tissue cells. (Treatment based on this theory is treated with high dose of Guaifeneisin ). Now in case of a person with FMS, would usage of Nat Phos or any other remedy ending in 'Phos' be unadvisable because its a 'Phos' and hence derived from phosphate. Basically to avoid more accumulation of phosphates in teh body ?

I am not qualified to advise you on your theory which I have not heard about. However even this were true you may like to know that the presence of the Sodium Phosphate cannot be detected even by the most sophisticated spectrophotometer as the actual quantity of the salt is only 1/1million which is too infinitesimal to be detected.

In any case I have never had any reports of Fibromyalgia resulting from the use of NP. I am also of opinion that this is a term that physicians use to describe an illness for which they cannot identify. I am copying some information on this 'disease' which may be of interest:

What Is Fibromyalgia?

Fibromyalgia is a disorder that causes muscle pain and fatigue (feeling tired). People with fibromyalgia have 'tender points' on the body. Tender points are specific places on the neck, shoulders, back, hips, arms, and legs. These points hurt when pressure is put on them.

People with fibromyalgia may also have other symptoms, such as:

Trouble sleeping
Morning stiffness
Headaches
Painful menstrual periods
Tingling or numbness in hands and feet
Problems with thinking and memory (sometimes called 'fibro fog').


What Causes Fibromyalgia?

The causes of fibromyalgia are unknown. There may be a number of factors involved. Fibromyalgia has been linked to:

Stressful or traumatic events, such as car accidents
Repetitive injuries
Illness
Certain diseases.
Fibromyalgia can also occur on its own.

Some scientists think that a gene or genes might be involved in fibromyalgia. The genes could make a person react strongly to things that other people would not find painful.

Joe,

Thanks for your reply.
Just to clarify, my question was not that would using *Phos remedies CAUSE Fibromyalgia. I meant would it aggravate an existing FMS symptoms? But either way your answer should apply to both cases. Thanks .

FMS does mimic other rheumatic illnesses along with chronic fatigue. I have FMS and it makes doing simple things like moving around or carrying a bag very difficult. The pain and fatigue is quite prominent in FMS. It took the doc 6 yrs to diagnose it for me and its diagnosis is partly done by eliminating the possibility of other disorders.

THE moderator (Simon) posted this on the following link. This will, by default, prove's the nuisance of multiple login names and other medical nonsense that 'nesha-india', always high-lighted on this forum.




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http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/81071/1
Re: Is this Homeopathy and Forum !! From moderator on 2006-09-22
Hi Pat,

In general, it's fine to refer anyone to any relevent site that will help them.

When it becomes a problem is like your 'referral' here on this thread:

'this thread continues at ... .com'.

This thread (and others where you posted similarly) simply does not continue on that URL; your post is blatantly and deliberately untrue. It is not helpful to anyone.

If you are doing this out of loyalty to the site's apparent owner, kuldeep (also known as hoolio, lopez, homeo_fan, stanzione, girilal, Steve Atur, lanif, pw3000, alchemist, laura11, silverman, varun14,l uxmi, kapil, jeevan, jeniffer, vinnie, and about a dozen other names), then I respect that devotion, but reiterate that your 'diversion' posts here do not add anything to this site and are not welcome.

Good luck with it regardless, whatever your involvement, just please don't promote it here.

Best Wishes,
Simon
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THIS EASILY PROVES THE GANGING UP OF FEW PERSONS AGAINST nesha-india.

Hello Guys

After reading this thread, many people have used homemade naturm phos.

I will like to add a word of caution. If not diluted proper, it may give you severe attacks of acidity for long time.

Proper procedure must be followed and dilution must be at least 6x or 3c

One drop of Nat. Phos in at least one liter of water (use 2 liter empty soda water). Shake/bang the bottle several times.

Do not take more then 3 drops. Best results are seen if taken half hour after the food.

Now I have positively concluded that it really does reduce the weight. Many people have reported it.

And please stop emailing me regarding this topic.

i just started natrum phosphoricum 6x but i am getting constipation just after the first day.(i took 4 tablets 2 times a day).
should i continue now?

the second post on this page, about Nat.Phos causing constipation.!!!

it may be a coincidence.!!

In fact, I advised on another thread to stop for a few days,and try again.

how come we are getting negative posts about Arnica and Nat.Phos now a days?

Is it not possible that a group of people are ganging up against Joe?

I think, if it is the case, it is not fair.

Nobody is against or ganging up against anybody personally.

AND for what anybody would gang up against anybody personally.

It is only that EARLIER, [name calling removed] had created dozens and dozens of multiple login aliases who would HIMSELF report positive results of Nat.Phos and Arnica.

NOW because of Nesha-India, who is tracking all the false multiple login aliases of 'kuldeep alias ......), these multiple self-glorifying false login aliases have stopped providing FALSE positive results.

The people who are reporting negative or nil results are the real posters and NOT duplicate posters created by kuldeep alias ..... and his side-kick.

GLORY'FYING, ARNICA FOR 'ANY & ALL' AS A CURE FOR DISEASES, IS TOTAL 'HOMEOPATHIC' ABSURDITY AND NUISANCE.

IN THE SAME LIGHT GLORY'FYING, NAT.PHOS FOR 'ANY & ALL' GASTRIC, ACIDITY AND OTHER DIGESTIVE disorders, IS FURTHER HEIGHT'ENING THE HEIGHT OF 'HOMEOPATHIC' ABSURDITY AND NUISANCE.

To Nesha,

I am still awaiting to know that if or not you went through the tantric treatment I recommended for you in a recent to remove the evil spirit possessing you so that you stop atleast cribbing like a broken gramophone record.

To Nesha,

I am also waiting your proof that I am also using login name 'achandra'. Either provide evidence or apologise or else

'Mohan' :

Thanks for your suggestion of tantric treatment. HOWEVER, please let '
the evil spirit keep possessing me so that I won't stop atleast cribbing like a broken gramophone record'.

I LIKE BEING POSSED BY AN EVIL SPIRIT ..... heeee ..hoo...ho....eeeeeeee....heeee ...heee...heeee...heee.......

AT the best you can declare here, as to whose behest you have threatened me and called me names.

CAN YOU 'PLEASE' EMAIL ME YOUR PHOTOGRAPH. I would love to work on it and change some of your features.


ALSO, You have threatened me with 'or else ....'

- what does this mean ?
- what can you do ?
- LET's see what you want to do !


Besides 'achandra', you are using more multiple login-i.d. aliases.

For evidence, you can contact Mr. Simon, the moderator. You see that's his moral responsibility. I will provide the evidence IF the moderator says that you do not have multiple login i.d. aliases.


Nesha-India offers you this suggestion :

‘eat to live’ rather than ‘live to eat’.


Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India

To, Nesha,

Don't hide behind the moderator. You accused me
of using 'achandra' as my another login name. You provide the information.

Cheapest of the cheap......that is what you are.