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Thyroid issues are a bit outside what I know. I'm not really a doctor, but I do know a few things about natural type stuff.
The Tryptophan is really just a dietary suppliment(it's a protien). You can't get hooked on it any more than you can get hooked on multi-vitamins or Fish oil.
The idea behind it is to give your body all protien it needs to build the different compunds it needs to be healthy. Tryptophan makes seretonin. So by all means, take a tryptophan suppliment. Also, take a good fish oil, like Coromega. The stiff joints are an indication to me that the fish oil could really do you some good.
Thyroid symptoms may have just been a result, not the cause. I'll bet you'll feel better soon. Take your daily fish oil TWICE a day for 4 days or so to get ramped back up (double-dose). Then take it at the regular dose from then on out. Don't take more then the regular daily dose of the Tryptophan. I would also suggest a low fat, no aspertame, protien shake (spaced apart from the tryptophan and fish oil) You'll feel better in no time flat!
The Tryptophan is really just a dietary suppliment(it's a protien). You can't get hooked on it any more than you can get hooked on multi-vitamins or Fish oil.
The idea behind it is to give your body all protien it needs to build the different compunds it needs to be healthy. Tryptophan makes seretonin. So by all means, take a tryptophan suppliment. Also, take a good fish oil, like Coromega. The stiff joints are an indication to me that the fish oil could really do you some good.
Thyroid symptoms may have just been a result, not the cause. I'll bet you'll feel better soon. Take your daily fish oil TWICE a day for 4 days or so to get ramped back up (double-dose). Then take it at the regular dose from then on out. Don't take more then the regular daily dose of the Tryptophan. I would also suggest a low fat, no aspertame, protien shake (spaced apart from the tryptophan and fish oil) You'll feel better in no time flat!
mikemo last decade
Mikemo,
Mikemo,
Thank you so much for your reply.
The thing is that I had been taking Fish oil for the last 2+ Years, twice per day. The ones I take are concentated one with 1200mg fish oil, and 684 mg of mega 3 fatty acids per dose.
I have also been taking for the same period of time, 2000 mg, Niacin (which HTP-man had posted as an aid to anxiety).
But, my anxiety and panics feel to the roof when they happen.
So, should I raise my Fish oil dose even more? or, just start the Tryptophan.
And, should I just use it on daily basis, or as need?
Thanks again for being so kind to reply.
Mikemo,
Thank you so much for your reply.
The thing is that I had been taking Fish oil for the last 2+ Years, twice per day. The ones I take are concentated one with 1200mg fish oil, and 684 mg of mega 3 fatty acids per dose.
I have also been taking for the same period of time, 2000 mg, Niacin (which HTP-man had posted as an aid to anxiety).
But, my anxiety and panics feel to the roof when they happen.
So, should I raise my Fish oil dose even more? or, just start the Tryptophan.
And, should I just use it on daily basis, or as need?
Thanks again for being so kind to reply.
kat1999 last decade
Hmm.
WHen did you start taking 2000mg of Niacin? Two Years ago? Do you ever get the niacin flush ? (itchy red skin, like an allergic reaction)
When your anxiety and panics happen, are they sudden onsets and then sudden dropdowns, contained within a specified amount of time? Or do they begin and then last for several days? When do they come on relative to the ingestion of food and/or suppliments?
I've never heard of Niacin for anxiety. I've heard of forcing a niacin flush for migrains. (although I don't think you should do that on a daily basis...they are no fun)
Have you ever felt that the Niacin helped your anxiety?
I'm leaning toward dropping the Niacin altogether and focusing on the Tryptophan. If your body needs niacin, it can make it's own out of the tryptophan. It can also make 5-HTP and seretonin out of the tryptophan.
Keep going where you are at on the fish oil.
One last question: How much salt do you cook with? Iodine is an essential elemant that you may be needing for proper thyroid function. Go check your cupboard and look at the label to see if it your salt is iodized or not. You should be using iodized salt in all of your cooking. Check your vitamins to see if iodine is included. You could do well to be getting anywhere from 200 to 1000 mcg. Usually, using iodized salt in your diet and a multivitamin will get you there.
I'm afraid I'm running out of ideas...Do you have reasons for anxiety, or do you fully blame your body chemistry?
WHen did you start taking 2000mg of Niacin? Two Years ago? Do you ever get the niacin flush ? (itchy red skin, like an allergic reaction)
When your anxiety and panics happen, are they sudden onsets and then sudden dropdowns, contained within a specified amount of time? Or do they begin and then last for several days? When do they come on relative to the ingestion of food and/or suppliments?
I've never heard of Niacin for anxiety. I've heard of forcing a niacin flush for migrains. (although I don't think you should do that on a daily basis...they are no fun)
Have you ever felt that the Niacin helped your anxiety?
I'm leaning toward dropping the Niacin altogether and focusing on the Tryptophan. If your body needs niacin, it can make it's own out of the tryptophan. It can also make 5-HTP and seretonin out of the tryptophan.
Keep going where you are at on the fish oil.
One last question: How much salt do you cook with? Iodine is an essential elemant that you may be needing for proper thyroid function. Go check your cupboard and look at the label to see if it your salt is iodized or not. You should be using iodized salt in all of your cooking. Check your vitamins to see if iodine is included. You could do well to be getting anywhere from 200 to 1000 mcg. Usually, using iodized salt in your diet and a multivitamin will get you there.
I'm afraid I'm running out of ideas...Do you have reasons for anxiety, or do you fully blame your body chemistry?
mikemo last decade
Mikemo,
I have been taking the Niacin for over 2 years, at the same time with fish oil.
I never noticed that it improved anxiety because when I started I was on the E.
The flushing doesn't bother me. A good information for anyone to have is to increase the Niacin at 100mg per day to get to your goal dose. Then the flushing is not an issue at all. If I miss a dose then I may have some flushing at my next dose. I take it right before bed time with lots and lots of water. So, If I lay relaxed I will not have the flushing. I take 1500 mg, at bed time and 500 mg. in the morning. I have my liver checked every 6 months, as I know it could cause liver damage.
Regarding the Iodized salt, I do use that; and I am a salt lover. I also do take multivitamins.
It seems like all is left to do is to take the Trytophan or 5-HTP.
My good cholesterol is way up around 65 and my cholesterol is also up, over what it is supposed to be. But, it has improved somewhat after stopping the E., as I have read that it could increase your cholesterol level.
Oh, to answer to when the anxiety and panics happen; it could happen anytime. I even wake up in the middle of the night, feeling like I can not breathe. On the other hand, I sometimes just wake up with a bad dream or for no reason at all, or to use the restroom, and then can not fall sleep and be up all night with such worry feeling. The not sleeping has been the worst in the last couple of weeks.
They anxiety starts and will be bad like all day, or even the next day, which bring me to tears for not being in control. Then it will go away may be for one day, or more, and come back again.
I was checking the GNC website for both 5-Htp, and the L-tryptophan. It says that Tryptophan is helpful with sleep, but for the 5-Htp, it says it can also be relaxing.
I also came across this site which seemed interesting.
http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Health/Research/ht....
I care to hear what you think about it
Should I just try the 5HTP? I saw a time release kind at GNC.
I have been taking the Niacin for over 2 years, at the same time with fish oil.
I never noticed that it improved anxiety because when I started I was on the E.
The flushing doesn't bother me. A good information for anyone to have is to increase the Niacin at 100mg per day to get to your goal dose. Then the flushing is not an issue at all. If I miss a dose then I may have some flushing at my next dose. I take it right before bed time with lots and lots of water. So, If I lay relaxed I will not have the flushing. I take 1500 mg, at bed time and 500 mg. in the morning. I have my liver checked every 6 months, as I know it could cause liver damage.
Regarding the Iodized salt, I do use that; and I am a salt lover. I also do take multivitamins.
It seems like all is left to do is to take the Trytophan or 5-HTP.
My good cholesterol is way up around 65 and my cholesterol is also up, over what it is supposed to be. But, it has improved somewhat after stopping the E., as I have read that it could increase your cholesterol level.
Oh, to answer to when the anxiety and panics happen; it could happen anytime. I even wake up in the middle of the night, feeling like I can not breathe. On the other hand, I sometimes just wake up with a bad dream or for no reason at all, or to use the restroom, and then can not fall sleep and be up all night with such worry feeling. The not sleeping has been the worst in the last couple of weeks.
They anxiety starts and will be bad like all day, or even the next day, which bring me to tears for not being in control. Then it will go away may be for one day, or more, and come back again.
I was checking the GNC website for both 5-Htp, and the L-tryptophan. It says that Tryptophan is helpful with sleep, but for the 5-Htp, it says it can also be relaxing.
I also came across this site which seemed interesting.
http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Health/Research/ht....
I care to hear what you think about it
Should I just try the 5HTP? I saw a time release kind at GNC.
kat1999 last decade
Ok. I am liking this idea. DOn't use tryptophan just yet. But do use the 5-HTP.
The quicker response from the 5-HTP will give you an indication of weather seretonin is the issue or not.
I like the tryptophan better usually, because it forces your body to do the work converting protien into seretonin. 5-HTP only makes the body do half the work.
But for what you are going through, go with the 5-HTP. Try taking it at the onset of anxiety and then time it to see when you feel relief.
If you can get a good correlation between the seretonin production (about an hour and a half after ingestion) and the relief from anxiety, you will be well on your way to catering a program.
Take note, though, that if the 5-HTP works, it is something that you would eventually want to convert over to L-tryptophan to keep your endocrine system from getting lazy on 5-HTP production (which it might be already)
Later on, if the 5-HTP does the trick, there may be a way of jolting your system into producing the 5-HTP out of the L-tryptophan by cycling thorugh 5-HTP ingestion on day one, no suppliments on day two, and then double tryptophan for 3 days.
For now, experiment with the 5-HTP. Just don't ever take any tryptophan on the same day. (in your diet is OK of course)
The quicker response from the 5-HTP will give you an indication of weather seretonin is the issue or not.
I like the tryptophan better usually, because it forces your body to do the work converting protien into seretonin. 5-HTP only makes the body do half the work.
But for what you are going through, go with the 5-HTP. Try taking it at the onset of anxiety and then time it to see when you feel relief.
If you can get a good correlation between the seretonin production (about an hour and a half after ingestion) and the relief from anxiety, you will be well on your way to catering a program.
Take note, though, that if the 5-HTP works, it is something that you would eventually want to convert over to L-tryptophan to keep your endocrine system from getting lazy on 5-HTP production (which it might be already)
Later on, if the 5-HTP does the trick, there may be a way of jolting your system into producing the 5-HTP out of the L-tryptophan by cycling thorugh 5-HTP ingestion on day one, no suppliments on day two, and then double tryptophan for 3 days.
For now, experiment with the 5-HTP. Just don't ever take any tryptophan on the same day. (in your diet is OK of course)
mikemo last decade
Oh, and don't use the time release stuff just yet. You want to see the timing correlation first. Use regular stuff.
mikemo last decade
Mikemo,
I have a few questions.
How about 5-HTP, is it addictive? And it seems like you say to only take it when the anxiety hits and NOT on daily basis. Did I get that correctly?
Should I take the time released one or the regular one? And, how much would you think?
You also said; Just don't ever take any tryptophan on the same day. (in your diet is OK of course). What do you mean by that? Do I not eat Turkey, the days I am taking the tryptophan.
Earlier you said not to take more than the recommended dose (on the bottle)
Of the L-thrytopan. But, now you said; and then double tryptophan for 3 days,
when we switch to L-throphine down the line. So, how much is the maximum one can take?
Because, the GNC one says take 1 or more a day.
I thank you so . very much for taking the time to help me out.
I have a few questions.
How about 5-HTP, is it addictive? And it seems like you say to only take it when the anxiety hits and NOT on daily basis. Did I get that correctly?
Should I take the time released one or the regular one? And, how much would you think?
You also said; Just don't ever take any tryptophan on the same day. (in your diet is OK of course). What do you mean by that? Do I not eat Turkey, the days I am taking the tryptophan.
Earlier you said not to take more than the recommended dose (on the bottle)
Of the L-thrytopan. But, now you said; and then double tryptophan for 3 days,
when we switch to L-throphine down the line. So, how much is the maximum one can take?
Because, the GNC one says take 1 or more a day.
I thank you so . very much for taking the time to help me out.
kat1999 last decade
OK, I see I've thrown a lot out there. Here's my responses, in order:
5-HTP is OK on a daily basis, but at first you should time it with the anxiety so you can decide whether it is worth taking for that purpose. If you take it every morning, and you get anxiety in the afternoon, it would be hard to tell if it had a positive effect. 5-HTP metabolizes pretty quickly, so making the determination should be pretty easy if you feel better after about an hour and a half. You've been taking Niacin for two years without any sort of reason other than what some guy on the internet told you (I'm one of those guys, too!). I want you to make a decision after trying 5-HTP if it does the trick. It isn't addictive, but it doesn't exactly help your system get strong at producing it's own 5-HTP. It may actually make your system lazy at making it's own 5-HTP.
By not taking the time released kind, YET, you will have a quicker absorption to help you 'feel' the sudden releif of your anxiety, thus making it easier to make a determination.
IF it does the trick, then you can use it for a while, and then maybe switch to the time release, but ultimately you should try to get your body to produce it's own 5-HTP from tryptophan.
My warning about taking tryptophan while taking 5-htp is still valid, but go ahead and eat turkey if you want to. That's what I meant. Dietary tryptophan is much lower than taking a pill! So it would be fine.
That last bit of taking double tryptophan was just an idea I was thinking out loud to get your body to 'ramp up' 5-HTP production in the presence of excess tryptophan, and during a spike drop of the 5-HTP that you would have been taking. But that was getting ahead of ourselves...
I hope that helps. I really am not tryig to confuse you!! For now, just get some regular 5-HTP and take one at the onset of anxiety and let us know if you get noticable relief.
5-HTP is OK on a daily basis, but at first you should time it with the anxiety so you can decide whether it is worth taking for that purpose. If you take it every morning, and you get anxiety in the afternoon, it would be hard to tell if it had a positive effect. 5-HTP metabolizes pretty quickly, so making the determination should be pretty easy if you feel better after about an hour and a half. You've been taking Niacin for two years without any sort of reason other than what some guy on the internet told you (I'm one of those guys, too!). I want you to make a decision after trying 5-HTP if it does the trick. It isn't addictive, but it doesn't exactly help your system get strong at producing it's own 5-HTP. It may actually make your system lazy at making it's own 5-HTP.
By not taking the time released kind, YET, you will have a quicker absorption to help you 'feel' the sudden releif of your anxiety, thus making it easier to make a determination.
IF it does the trick, then you can use it for a while, and then maybe switch to the time release, but ultimately you should try to get your body to produce it's own 5-HTP from tryptophan.
My warning about taking tryptophan while taking 5-htp is still valid, but go ahead and eat turkey if you want to. That's what I meant. Dietary tryptophan is much lower than taking a pill! So it would be fine.
That last bit of taking double tryptophan was just an idea I was thinking out loud to get your body to 'ramp up' 5-HTP production in the presence of excess tryptophan, and during a spike drop of the 5-HTP that you would have been taking. But that was getting ahead of ourselves...
I hope that helps. I really am not tryig to confuse you!! For now, just get some regular 5-HTP and take one at the onset of anxiety and let us know if you get noticable relief.
mikemo last decade
Mikemo,
Thank you. Realy, I mean it. It is so kind of you to take the time to explain and clarify.
I understand it now.
When I read my post, I noticed how I ramble on. But, thank god you understood what I was asking about.
I will keep you informed. I will pick it up the first chance I get.
My Kindest thanks.
Kathy
Thank you. Realy, I mean it. It is so kind of you to take the time to explain and clarify.
I understand it now.
When I read my post, I noticed how I ramble on. But, thank god you understood what I was asking about.
I will keep you informed. I will pick it up the first chance I get.
My Kindest thanks.
Kathy
kat1999 last decade
mikemo,
This morning I woke up with such anxiety, so I purchased the 5-HTP and took it at 10:15, and now at 1:15, I am still very mirable.
I am so very lost. And, now I feel depressed and fraustraded as can be.
This morning I woke up with such anxiety, so I purchased the 5-HTP and took it at 10:15, and now at 1:15, I am still very mirable.
I am so very lost. And, now I feel depressed and fraustraded as can be.
kat1999 last decade
kat1999 last decade
Ok, then you could take another one now. I'd go ahead and do that and then make another determination.
Don't get too down about this, and don't give up on the 5-HTP. It may take a few days to get your body to respond.
And if you don't notice a difference after your 2nd dose tomorrow, then you will have eliminated 5-HTP as a solution. That would indicate to me that your problem isn't a seretonin deficiency. No problem. Although depression and anxiety often go together, they don't have to. So don't get depressed!
So, if you don't have a seretonin deficiency, yet you have anxiety, anti-depressants would only overcompensate to mask the anxiety.
So, keep giving the 5-HTP a chance until tomorrow. Hang in there, and remember that we all know you can get through this!
In the meantime, take a look at Valerian Root. Taking it around 500mg would be good for anxiety. As well as passion flower. The healthfood store usually has svereal anti-anxiety herbals that use both ingredients together. Just pick one that has a minimum of 500mg of the Valerian Root. Very calming, and natural.
Are there situations in your life right now that would be causing anxiety? Or is this one of those dang loops ('I have anxiety because I am worried about my anxiety).
What is it that is causing this anxiety?
Don't get too down about this, and don't give up on the 5-HTP. It may take a few days to get your body to respond.
And if you don't notice a difference after your 2nd dose tomorrow, then you will have eliminated 5-HTP as a solution. That would indicate to me that your problem isn't a seretonin deficiency. No problem. Although depression and anxiety often go together, they don't have to. So don't get depressed!
So, if you don't have a seretonin deficiency, yet you have anxiety, anti-depressants would only overcompensate to mask the anxiety.
So, keep giving the 5-HTP a chance until tomorrow. Hang in there, and remember that we all know you can get through this!
In the meantime, take a look at Valerian Root. Taking it around 500mg would be good for anxiety. As well as passion flower. The healthfood store usually has svereal anti-anxiety herbals that use both ingredients together. Just pick one that has a minimum of 500mg of the Valerian Root. Very calming, and natural.
Are there situations in your life right now that would be causing anxiety? Or is this one of those dang loops ('I have anxiety because I am worried about my anxiety).
What is it that is causing this anxiety?
mikemo last decade
Sorry, I had to leave to pick my son from school.
Really, there really isn't anything major in my live that I should be unhappy about.
I can see my husband is getting tired of my not feeling well. I keep on feeling guilty that I can not be a happy go, strong person like I was before. And, I just don't have the patience I did before, and can get hurt very easily.
I feel that I have lost all confidence. This didn't just start over quitting E. It had been an ongoing thing, since my mother was ill for a year, I quit smoking, Have major back pains, gained weight due to not being able to excercise.
Funny, a friend brought me the actual Valerian roots, which I was to brew like about 2 inches of it (according to her instructions).... I did it last night, sinc I was feeling so darn stiff and unrelaxed. It didn't do a thing for me. should I use more of that?
I will take the 2nd 5Htp right now.
I thought since it says two a day, I am to take it every 12 hours. But, from what you say, it can be closer, like 4-5 hours apart. right?
Thank you so much for beign there. You are a god sent.
Really, there really isn't anything major in my live that I should be unhappy about.
I can see my husband is getting tired of my not feeling well. I keep on feeling guilty that I can not be a happy go, strong person like I was before. And, I just don't have the patience I did before, and can get hurt very easily.
I feel that I have lost all confidence. This didn't just start over quitting E. It had been an ongoing thing, since my mother was ill for a year, I quit smoking, Have major back pains, gained weight due to not being able to excercise.
Funny, a friend brought me the actual Valerian roots, which I was to brew like about 2 inches of it (according to her instructions).... I did it last night, sinc I was feeling so darn stiff and unrelaxed. It didn't do a thing for me. should I use more of that?
I will take the 2nd 5Htp right now.
I thought since it says two a day, I am to take it every 12 hours. But, from what you say, it can be closer, like 4-5 hours apart. right?
Thank you so much for beign there. You are a god sent.
kat1999 last decade
Ok, I give up. I am going to get an appointment with a physchologist to go back on some meds. If any one has any suggestions, please advice me. My husband, can't take me being this way no more. I cann';t take me this way no more.
I appreciate any advice on which med may help best.
I feel like my brain is exploding. I walk around feeling guilty all the time.
I appreciate any advice on which med may help best.
I feel like my brain is exploding. I walk around feeling guilty all the time.
kat1999 last decade
5-HTP takes up to TWO (2) FULL WEEKS OF CONSISTENT USAGE to build up in your system...as I mentioned this particular oddity the very first post I made...(116 or 117)...
I took 400mg to 600mg consistently morning noon and night for a couple of weeks as I was weaning myself off of the Effexor...
If you live in the US...I would suggest a Root Extract that the Hawaii n's have been using for Millenia for Mood Enhancement related to Social Situations (ie. GAD etc...)...this root extract was so effective as an alternative to Effexor, Paxil, Wellbutrin etc.., that several Countries outlawed it... fortunately it is still available legally in the US....
KAVA KAVA...
GOOD LUCK.
I took 400mg to 600mg consistently morning noon and night for a couple of weeks as I was weaning myself off of the Effexor...
If you live in the US...I would suggest a Root Extract that the Hawaii n's have been using for Millenia for Mood Enhancement related to Social Situations (ie. GAD etc...)...this root extract was so effective as an alternative to Effexor, Paxil, Wellbutrin etc.., that several Countries outlawed it... fortunately it is still available legally in the US....
KAVA KAVA...
GOOD LUCK.
5-HTP MAN_01 last decade
I understand your pain. I think it is a good idea to talk to your doctor. You might ask about Buspar. It is not so much helpful for depression as it is anxiety, plus it is much less side-effect and dependance inducing. The downside is it takes a couple weeks for it to build up in your system to have any real effect.
Another OK choice is klonopin (colonazapan). It is more of an 'as-needed' kind of drug that can fix your anxiety in as quick as 30 minutes. But it can also be a bit sedating. I don't think they want you to drive after taking it. Perfect if you can hold out until evening times. It can be a bit more addicting, but if you can manage to take it only every other day or occasionally 3 days in a row followed by a day off, it isn't a problem.
Sorry I couldn't help you find a natural relief. There's nothing wrong with Rx meds, as long as your doctor is symaphetic to your concerns. Thanks for giving these things a chance. That's more than what most people would do.
If you have it in you to make it two more weeks, you could try to build up the 5-HTP, like 5htpman says, although that sounds like a lot of 5-HTP! It's outside my realm.
Another OK choice is klonopin (colonazapan). It is more of an 'as-needed' kind of drug that can fix your anxiety in as quick as 30 minutes. But it can also be a bit sedating. I don't think they want you to drive after taking it. Perfect if you can hold out until evening times. It can be a bit more addicting, but if you can manage to take it only every other day or occasionally 3 days in a row followed by a day off, it isn't a problem.
Sorry I couldn't help you find a natural relief. There's nothing wrong with Rx meds, as long as your doctor is symaphetic to your concerns. Thanks for giving these things a chance. That's more than what most people would do.
If you have it in you to make it two more weeks, you could try to build up the 5-HTP, like 5htpman says, although that sounds like a lot of 5-HTP! It's outside my realm.
mikemo last decade
Clarification:
I took 200mg pills of the 5-HTP 2 to 3 times a day for about 3 months and stopped taking it after that as it is supposed to be cycled...
As I am Canadian...I do not have Access to one of the most effective natural alternatives to SSRI's related to Anxiety disorders...
KAVA KAVA....Kava Kava will never become illegal in the U.S. as Hawaii is part of the U.S. and there would be major revolts by the entire State (IMHO)...
Thanks and good luck on your path to a better you...whether it be chemical or natural...whatever works...stick with it...if Effexor works for you...then better living a shorter life happy than a longer life miserable....(IMHO)...
I took 200mg pills of the 5-HTP 2 to 3 times a day for about 3 months and stopped taking it after that as it is supposed to be cycled...
As I am Canadian...I do not have Access to one of the most effective natural alternatives to SSRI's related to Anxiety disorders...
KAVA KAVA....Kava Kava will never become illegal in the U.S. as Hawaii is part of the U.S. and there would be major revolts by the entire State (IMHO)...
Thanks and good luck on your path to a better you...whether it be chemical or natural...whatever works...stick with it...if Effexor works for you...then better living a shorter life happy than a longer life miserable....(IMHO)...
5-HTP MAN_01 last decade
Mikemo, I've been doing your tapering method and today is one of the days that I don't take anything. I'm so nervous! I hope I can make it to work tomorrow. Keep your fingers crossed for me.
Christine
Christine
ccooney524 last decade
Christine,
If today is the day you take zero, then tomorrow you get to take something, right? Of COURSE you'll be fine for work tomorrow! Tomorrow is the EASY day!
Sometimes nerves are a state of mind. Here's what you want to keep in mind:
Because you are not taking any effexor today, your body is going to get a signal to produce more of it's own drug. You may even feel the positive effects on some level, deep underneath the minor nervousness and withdrawl. Get excited about that little feeling of your body's natural drug later this evening!
Just keep that in mind. Anything you are feeling is your body's natural response in gearing up to provide you what you need!
It'll be fine!
If today is the day you take zero, then tomorrow you get to take something, right? Of COURSE you'll be fine for work tomorrow! Tomorrow is the EASY day!
Sometimes nerves are a state of mind. Here's what you want to keep in mind:
Because you are not taking any effexor today, your body is going to get a signal to produce more of it's own drug. You may even feel the positive effects on some level, deep underneath the minor nervousness and withdrawl. Get excited about that little feeling of your body's natural drug later this evening!
Just keep that in mind. Anything you are feeling is your body's natural response in gearing up to provide you what you need!
It'll be fine!
mikemo last decade
Yes tomorrow I take something. I'll be going down 5 mg (to 10 mg). The last time I tried going off effexor I took the 37.5 mg on a Wednesday then stopped on Thursday. It wasn't until Saturday that I felt horrible. I'm hoping because I'm on such a low dose (15 mg going down to 10) that I won't have side effects.
ccooney524 last decade
I don't expect you'll have any, because the zero dose today should jolt your system, and then the 10mg tomorrow will be a welcome relief.
It reminds me of cutting a piece of cake for my 4 year old and he says 'I want a bigger peice! Wah!!!!' and then I say, 'well, I guess you won't get any at all then'
Then he cries even more. So I say 'OK, you can have this little piece'. And then he is happy.
Neuroendocrinology can be such a crybaby sometimes!
It reminds me of cutting a piece of cake for my 4 year old and he says 'I want a bigger peice! Wah!!!!' and then I say, 'well, I guess you won't get any at all then'
Then he cries even more. So I say 'OK, you can have this little piece'. And then he is happy.
Neuroendocrinology can be such a crybaby sometimes!
mikemo last decade
5HTP-Man,
I looked trhough GNC's web site they don't seem to have Kava, Kava. Does it have a different name?
Does any one know where I could pruchase that at a local store?
Thank you.
I looked trhough GNC's web site they don't seem to have Kava, Kava. Does it have a different name?
Does any one know where I could pruchase that at a local store?
Thank you.
kat1999 last decade
Hello Kat,
here is a link to a 'NOW' brand of Kava Kava Extract:
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=665&...
I don't know where you are in the U.S. but you might want to try other 'Natural Health' shops in your area...probably just google Natural Health and your city and you should have no trouble finding it...
Here is another website that talks more about Kava Kava and it's history etc...
http://www.kickbackwithkava.com/
Good Luck...and let me know how it goes....
here is a link to a 'NOW' brand of Kava Kava Extract:
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=665&...
I don't know where you are in the U.S. but you might want to try other 'Natural Health' shops in your area...probably just google Natural Health and your city and you should have no trouble finding it...
Here is another website that talks more about Kava Kava and it's history etc...
http://www.kickbackwithkava.com/
Good Luck...and let me know how it goes....
5-HTP MAN_01 last decade
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