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Dear Joe,
There are books that give you time period upto which a homeopathic med keeps giving result.
Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,

I have some text books that give the estimated time period for various remedies.

The point to be considered however is how accurate an estimate are they ?

Also can the effect on one patient be replicated in another ?

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Pankaj

If a remedy works from 40 to 60 days why administer it on a daily basis for 40 to 60 days? I had a very strong feeling that this daily use of a remedy as if it were an enhaler was just headed to a daily dose for another 40 to 60 days.

The mother also had a strong feeling things were not going well.

At this time, it is obvious that Joe is also contributing in some way. Can it be purely concidental that this little boy suddenly had a great night's sleep?


Really enjoy reading your line of questioning.

Thank you
 
Pat2006 last decade
Joe,
The books give approx. average period.

Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
For clarity, I should point out that Joe De Livera's method is to use daily doses, but they are in the low dose type.

So I can understand when a remedy us used on a daily basis if it is low potency.
 
Pat2006 last decade
To Joe,Pat and Pankaj
Another day of asthma free symptoms.I would like to mention that drosera 200 and ars 200 which i was using were merely doing the job of an inhaler.Every night i had to use drosera 200 to open the airways and he even had to carry it to school ,where he had to use it twice during that period.I will not say that the remedy was wrong since i don't have the knowledge of homeopathy so to say something will be wrong on my part but i could sense that it was not suiting my son and every single night he was having nocturnal attack for which he had to use drosera200 and for sometime i stopped using all the remedies and he was on steroid inhaler before using nat sulph.
I must mention that though it's too early to say anything and i don't want to jinx it but it's finally working for him.No asthalin and no steroid inhaler soo far.

Brgds
Shiny
 
shiny last decade
To pat
The remedy which my son was using earlier was on daily basis true but was not helping him as he was still sufferring and the difference in joe's remedy is that though he will be taking it regularly for the next couple of months at least he is symptom free ,can sleep peacefully and can enjoy his daily ice cream.

Brgds
Shiny
 
shiny last decade
To Shiny

I am glad that you have stated the facts of how the Nat Sulph has helped your son to have his uninterrupted sleep at night without the inhaler and also to enjoy his Ice cream.

It is my hope that the classical homeopaths who read this post will please take note that their classical prescriptions invariably result in the patient not being helped to overcome his ailment even after the remedies were used for over a month. It will be seen that the boy was on his usual inhalers plus the remedies that were prescribed.

This is where my therapy which is directed towards curing the ailment helps and I must admit that I too was agreeably surprised when on the very first day after he was given the Nat Sulph, he slept like a baby through the night for the first time in many months.

I am different from the classical homeopaths who unfortunately refuse to see the wood for the trees and it is the patient who suffers from their lack of knowledge, or should I say surfeit of knowledge which they have imbibed in the classical stream from which I hope they will deviate at least in the treatment of Asthma which I have proved to those who are reading this thread, is not a difficult ailment to resolve as long as the correct remedy is prescribed by the homeopath.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
That is great Joe and Shiny !!

The end result matters the most.
Best wishes,
Panakj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
hello shiny

ice cream!!!!!

wow!!!

you don't know how happy it makes me.

let's all keep praying this is a permanent life change for your little boy!!!
 
Pat2006 last decade
To Shiny

Please remember that in the unlikely event of his getting an attack you must give him the Ars Alb which he can take in a small vial even to school.

I am confident however that he will not need it judging by his response to the Nat Sulph.

As I stated a few days ago, this is the fastest positive response that I have encountered with Nat Sulph 6c in the case of your son who has been suffering from Asthma for years.

I shall be interested to have his case history for purposes of record with a list of the drugs and remedies that you have given him and when he was first diagnosed with Asthma.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
I noticed that I had not specified the potency of the Ars Alb which should be 200c as I instructed you earlier.

This can be given in the original pellets as it would not be convenient to use it in the wet dose unless this is done at home as the wet dose is much more effective than the pellets.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
Since i had read yur earlier posts i knew i was 200c.But thanks anyway.Today my son will be completing 1 week on nat sulph and also asthma free.

Shiny
 
shiny last decade
members may like to read my reply to an attack on my from greenjay on the hpathy.com forum where you will notice that i have been strongly criticized by him for helping this case.


http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?tid=3...

from: greenjay
posted: 14 may 06 at 00:06 | ip logged
what the point is: we are aware that nat sulph is one of asthma remedies - materia medica provings are there, aren't there?
did u not display surprise at someone who reported worms coming out after use of nat phos? question: if u suggest a remedy so universally, how do u not know such a well-known proving?
but u are not practicing homeopathy. you cannot ignore principles of a system and insist that ur so gifted that ur 'method' is acceptable out of the context of its main tenets. if u are convinced, few others who know homeopathy r. wait for peer review. okay to use what u want on urself - u r trying to spread ur unproven theories among laymen who don't know what can happen.
so whatever doesnot suit u u will ignore - of course, u are far cleverer than hering and hahnemann, even if u don't know ur remedies.
r u saying one must accept postings as gospel? from abc homeopathy, where one person caught writing posts to himself? how many yrs hv u followed up patients? d u hv written validation? cure is not removing symptoms. i can remove symptoms of asthma by giving inhaler or steroids. any allopath will applaud me - but that is not cure.
this same post u ref to at abc has someone insulting the practitioner who ws handling the case very well. how come u did not admonish the writer for low-level talk when she called a respected person a newcomer who was experimenting on children? anyone who agrees with u u love and they can say anything? how come u did not find ur own mails calling someone names, including 'shrewish and devious' - and lots others - low talk?
on what basis d'u express shock at the practitioner's use of arsenic as excessive? ask how many homeopaths agree.
i am not a doctor either - i too am lay practitioner. i only prescribe face to face - but that does not mean that u hav some hierarchical advantage that noone can criticize u unless they practice on fori.
and what nonsense u say re classical homeopaths being scared of u because losing income and how philanthropic ur 'practice' is. when u start giving away ur products and services free in ur business, then talk. why shd. people who hav spent years and devoted lives to learning medicine properly not charge? does it mean they do not help people too?
when u do not want to consider u may be wrong, dn't expect that u will convince everyone u r right.


from me to greenjay
posted: 15 may 06 at 07:21 | ip
to greenjay

i was taken aback at your outburst against me and i shall endeavour to
reply the various matters you have brought up in your post below yours
in upper case

what the point is: we are aware that nat sulph is one of asthma remedies
- materia medica provings are there, aren't there?

you will observe that i merely copied the posts on the 7 year
old boy whose mother first posted his desperate plight on
march 26 when i suggested my default remedy nat sulph 6c in
the split dose. my suggestion was discarded with scorn by the
mother shiny and others rushed in with their own prescriptions
all of which were unable to help the boy. it was only when
shiny finally decided to use the simple remedy that i prescribed
on saturday may 9, that within 12 hours the boy was able to
sleep soundly without his inhaler. you may like to know that
he is now well on the road to recovery as he has had
uninterrupted sleep for the first time in many years without
the need for any steroidal inhaler up to last night.

the purpose of my copying the progress of his cure on this
forum is to share with members here who have often criticized
my attitude towards homeopathy and the manner in which i use
homeopathic remedies which is not according to the accepted
classical method. the fact that i have tried to emphasize is
that my own direct method does also have its own merits and
in most cases such as asthma i have provided unbiased evidence
that the direct approach in prescribing for the ailment has
worked almost immediately. i presume that you have read the
confirmation from the boy's mother who is now grateful for
my stubborn follow up of this case which i feel others would
have given up. these remedies had inflicted sufficient damage to
his delicate constitution and they had all suggested a variety
of remedies which the unsuspecting mother had used in
conjunction with the steroidal inhalers which in any event
had been used by her for years before. you are requested to
visit the thread on the abc directly for confirmation of my
posts which i copied on the hpathy forum.

i was first exposed to homeopathy as a skeptic in 1968 and when
i was cured of my frequent colds i decided to study it on my
own and i believe that this is the reason for my success in using
the direct method of prescribing for the ailment which i
invariably do in the case of ailments that have responded to
the remedies that i have used before in similar cases. if i am
presented with a case with which i am not familiar, i always use
radar software to help in diagnosing the case and in
prescribing the remedy. those who already use this software
will know how very detailed and useful it is in treating the
patient. the point that i wish to emphasize that the two
methods of treatment are both valid and any one school
should not heap scorn on the other merely because the 'this
for that' school to which i belong does not conform to the
classical tenets which their followers have been brainwashed
into believing which sometimes results in the poor patient being
left dangling on a fine thread by consulting a classical
homeopath. i believe that it is the success of my approach to
homeopathic cure that hundreds of patients have testified to
the efficacy of my curative methods.

if you are sufficiently motivated to do some research on me
and my methods you are advised to visit the abc forum and
read the many cases that i handle on a daily basis. i may also
mention here that these do not only comprise the cases that i
treat between 5-10 daily by email. you may like to know that i
treat all patients who seek my assistance free of charge.


i gladly give of my time to this mission of healing as many have
been cases who have suffered under their own classical
homeopaths in various parts of the world sometimes for years
when a bad situation has been made infinitely worse. some of
them have informed me that they have paid $350 per
consultation and have to pay $65 for each subsequent visit. i
do not grudge these classical homeopaths their fees which i am
sure are justified if only they will serve to resolve simple cases
such as asthma, eczema, gerd to name a few that i have helped
to resolve and in many cases cure, free of all charge from sri
lanka without ever personally meeting those who contact me
from overseas. as for those who do so locally i do not have
to encounter the criticism which sometimes borders on hatred
that is displayed by persons like you who for reasons best
known to my attackers have in the past tried to frighten me
off the forums that i visit.

i am aware that i am a maverick in the manner that i prescribe
to patients who specifically seek my assistance on the abc by
addressing their posts directly to me and i believe that the
real reason is because i have created some records in the using
existing homeopathic remedies for ailments not listed in the
materia medicas that are now in use. all i seek to do is to share
my method of treatment in the hope that at least some
classical homeopaths may decide to use my own method of
treatment of a patient whom they may not have succeeded in
treating successfully like in the case of this 7 year old boy
with asthma.


did u not display surprise at someone who reported worms coming out
after use of nat phos? question: if u suggest a remedy so universally, how
do u not know such a well-known proving?

boricke states as follows about nat phos and its relationship
to worms
' flatulence, with sour risings. colic, with symptoms of worms
you will observe that he does not specifically indicate that it
is a remedy for worms and it is no wonder that i and other
homeopaths do not use it routinely as quite frankly, i would
hesitate to use it when other remedies which are accepted as
vermicides are available. there is no reference to worms coming
out after use, as indicated by you.

you continue to belittle me on this count and question my not
knowing this 'well known proving'. you must be aware that
there are many more provings which are not recorded like my
own discovery of nat phos 6x reducing weight. i have yet to
test it on the standard proving procedure by overdosing
someone with it to verify if it promotes the gaining of weight,
which i dare not do and which i am certain that it cannot do.
the point that i wish to make with this analogy is that there
are many remedies now in use in homeopathy which can be used
for many ailments not recorded in the classical texts. the
mere fact that they are not listed in them should not be a bar
to their use by one who knows and it is through this constant
research that homeopathy will advance in this century.

but u are not practicing homeopathy. you cannot ignore principles of a
system and insist that ur so gifted that ur 'method' is acceptable out of
the context of its main tenets. if u are convinced, few others who know
homeopathy r. wait for peer review. okay to use what u want on urself -
u r trying to spread ur unproven theories among laymen who don't know
what can happen.
so whatever doesnot suit u u will ignore - of course, u are far cleverer
than hering and hahnemann, even if u don't know ur remedies.

i do not for a moment pretend that i am any greater than
perhaps you and certainly not greater than the greats who
founded homeopathy. it is just that i have an intellect that
has always been original and it is this same originality that has
enabled me to use my mind and powers of observation in using
remedies in the manner that i do now which unfortunately
brings down the ire of classical homeopaths like you who
merely wish to protest perhaps prompted by jealousy, at my
success in handling cases like this 7 year old boy who will, i
hope, be cured of his asthma in a few months. remember that he
had been under treatment from doctors and other
homeopaths who were unable to achieve what i was able to do
in under 12 hours, after his first dose of nat sulph 6c in the
split dose. the least that i could have expected from you was
an acknowledgment of a case successfully concluded and i
really cannot understand your attitude and that of others
who merely wish to rile me.

it is my complete lack of pretense that i believe is the key to my
success in the treatment of ailments and i would request you
to please read the first 4 aphorisms of the organon to
understand the reason why i use my own initiative in the
treatment of those who seek my assistance.

r u saying one must accept postings as gospel? from abc homeopathy,
where one person caught writing posts to himself? how many yrs hv u
followed up patients? d u hv written validation? cure is not removing
symptoms. i can remove symptoms of asthma by giving inhaler or
steroids. any allopath will applaud me - but that is not cure.
this same post u ref to at abc has someone insulting the practitioner who
ws handling the case very well. how come u did not admonish the writer
for low-level talk when she called a respected person a newcomer who
was experimenting on children? anyone who agrees with u u love and
they can say anything? how come u did not find ur own mails calling
someone names, including 'shrewish and devious' - and lots others - low
talk?
on what basis d'u express shock at the practitioner's use of arsenic as
excessive? ask how many homeopaths agree.

you have quoted some posts which i did not originate and i
cannot therefore comment on them.

i am not a doctor either - i too am lay practitioner. i only prescribe face to
face - but that does not mean that u hav some hierarchical advantage
that noone can criticize u unless they practice on fori.

i do not have any quarrel with you and i have never
encountered you on this or other forums. i would suggest
that you emulate my example as there would be greater peace
on the fora without types like you piping in with your own pet
theories which unfortunately compel me to reply in a long
post which most members will just not have the time or
inclination to read. it also takes a lot of my time which i can
devote to my profession and to healing. i would expect you to
use your experience in curing others who post instead of
attacking me.

and what nonsense u say re classical homeopaths being scared of u
because losing income and how philanthropic ur 'practice' is. when u start
giving away ur products and services free in ur business, then talk. why
shd. people who hav spent years and devoted lives to learning medicine
properly not charge? does it mean they do not help people too?
when u do not want to consider u may be wrong, dn't expect that u will
convince everyone u r right.

i believe that i have dealt with your criticism of my attitude to
classical homeopaths and shall leave them in peace to carry
on their good work. i do hope however that they will
sometimes consider using the same methodology that i use in
the diagnosis and treatment of an ailment which in the case of
this 7 year old has shown results far beyond my own
expectations.

i am even more convinced today that the path that i follow is
more than justified in spite of the criticism that types like you
use to belittle my efforts. it is my hope that the truth will
eventually prevail in homeopathy as it has in so many other
aspects of life and i shall end with a quotation by arthur
schopenhauer which is relevant and which i shall copy below.

all truth passes through three stages.

first, it is ridiculed.
second, it is violently opposed.
third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

--- arthur schopenhauer ---


joe de livera
colombo
sri lanka
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
Please advice if my son still needs to take nat sulph straight from the bottle and aslo so far he is doing great i did not even read the above stated mail as there are so many people who try to deviate you from a particular path so i don't even want to fill up my head with all of that.

Brgds
Shiny
 
shiny last decade
Mr. Joe,

Never mind about critics. You are doing a great job. It is also no compulsion of whatsoever for the people to follow. You are advising people who believe in you.

One need not be so conservative in approach. I do agree that homeopathy has got its own principles and approaches. But, that doesn't mean that one shouldn't make any new approaches. Homeopathy is a wide open subject. Any new proven findings is a welcome step.

I remember, if I am right that higher potency medicines should be given only with proper time interval and much higher potencies should be under the strict personal observation. I saw many in the forum suggesting 200cs many times in reduced frequencies. Is that right? Can any one clarifiy? Mr. Joe is prescribing only low potency medicines, I presume. Its really a wonder that he came across a few remedies that really help in curing certain ailments. He suggest the remedies based on proven record. Also, he uses a database to assist him in choosing the remedies. He may not be asking too many questions. But, we should count on his experience.

I know a classical homeopath who mix all possible remedies for the ailment and give it to the patients. He said that it is his way of treating ailments. Though I never agree with this mixing of remedies, I should admit that my mother has got relief from rhematoid arthritis from this treatment. She never take steroidal tablets anymore, which has already left a damaging effect on her bones.

I would appreciate that the classical homeopaths can take the suggestion of Mr. Joe and take effort to ascertain the facts. I don't know why some people are so critical and make personal comments rather than confronting the proven track of the remedy.

Mr. Joe is really doing a wonderful job. I am new to this forum. I am a researcher with great interest in homeopathy. I used to read all books in homeopathy that I come across. And I have been following Mr. Joe's prescriptions closely in this forum. I do understand that it will be hard for the classical homeopaths to accept Mr. Joe's way. But, one should accept that it is working on people. So, why shouldn't we take it in a positive sense and analyse how it acts on the ailment by studying the case histories? May be we come across many more wonder hidden remedies.

Kudos Mr. Joe. Keep going...
 
muruganrsa last decade
Dear Shiny,

It is now 10 days after you started to use Nat Sulph 6c and since your son is reacting very favourably on this remedy I would like you to change over to the Split Dose on the 14th day when you will follow my instructions by mixing the teaspoonful of the remedy from the bottle into a half cup of water from which you will give him a teaspoonful.

You will however have to monitor his response to the more diluted dosage and this is the usual method I use to wean the patient off the remedy completely. I have achieved this success with a number of patients who do not use any drugs or Homeopathic remedies any more.

I hope to achieve this same success with your son and it will give me the greatest pleasure to have him grow into a strong young man free of any ailment.

Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi,
I'm also following this case with great interest. Joe seems to be doing a wonderful job. My best wishes to Shiny for her son's complete health.

I also have a mildly asthmatic son. He is 6 (born on April 26, 2000), and is allergic to dustmite, according to allergy tests. Was on allergy medicine (Cingular/Zyrtec), but I stopped giving it to him since four months ago and now I give him a spoonful of honey diluted in a cup of lukewarm milk every morning. It really did better than the allergy medicine. I read about this use of honey somewhere on homeopathic or ayurvedic forums.

For ashtma attacks, I have noticed that he gets them mostly when he plays in grass or pollen-infested areas and when the temperature suddenly drops (not during the snow, though). He got his first attack at 3, was wheezing badly. I took him to ER where they gave him albutrol through the nebulizer and also some steroid drops for three days. They also prescribed pulmacourt as preventive medicine to be given through the nebulizer. But I am not giving him pulmacourt since the fist month of use two and half years ago and giving only albuterol during the attacks for a couple of days. His attacks are less frequent now. If he got some five severe attacks last year, this year he only got it once early this month. He is healthy and growing fine otherwise, eats well and goes to school (Kindergarten). He also has bilateral tubes in his ears for fluid in the middle ear, had some speech delay as the fluid was not detected in time. He listens and talks well now.
During non-attack times, too, however, he tires easily during play and sweats much more than his playmates and also during sleep. Some nights he wakes up coughing. Occasionally, during those nights, he also throws up, and the case gets worse, mostly severe and has to be put on albutrol or taken to the doctor.
Now I would like to have my boy be completely normal and prevent those occasional attacks and unpredictable nocturnal coughs. What should I do?
I am currently a graduate student in Kentucky, US and will move to Upstate New York in three months with a temporary job there. What treatments would you suggest? And would those medicines be available here? I would really appreciate your help.
 
malisna last decade
To Malisna

Your 6 year old son can also benefit from Nat Sulph 6c and if you decide to use it you can use the Split dose where you take a teaspoonful from the bottle and stir it into half cup of water from which a teaspoonful is sipped.

This extremely diluted dose will prevent his asthma attacks from occurring and after we find that he is not getting his attacks any more the remedy can be used every other day.

Please read my instructions on the making of the wet dose of Nat Sulph 6c in a previous post at the beginning of this thread.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Malisna
I would like you to try nat sulph on your child and i am sure the default remedy of Joe will work on him.I'll be very honest i was very reluctant to use the remedy at first,infact for a very long time say about 6-7 months i just read various posts.Then finally came fahed's posts where he confirmed his progress on nat sulph ,i even spoke to him over the phone and he was very happy that he was now off all the steroids and asthalin.I don't know why i was so reluctant to try the remedy.I guess the reason was that nobody on the forum had posted anything about this remedy except Fahed.Then in this post itself somebody confirmed it's positive effect on children and that further boosted my confidence and i thought why not.Worse case scenario would be that it would fail.But i kept my hopes up ,did not think negative at all and it started working on him .Now it's all most 10 days without asthma symptoms and no nocturnal coughs.

I would like to tell everbody who has been foll: this case with interest that they should try this remedy and post there response here so that many people and children can benefit from it.


Brgds
Shiny
 
shiny last decade
Thank you, Joe and Shiny.
A naive question: Where might I get nat sulph? In a pharmacy/drug store? If yes, is it over the counter or needs prescription? As I said in my previous post, I am currently located in Kentucky, US. Thanks in advance.
Best, malisna
 
malisna last decade
Will someone who lives in the US please help ?

I have found that most healt food stores stock Homeopathic remedies. If you cannot get supplies you can always order them by mail from the ABC store.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
Today is the 15th day and he is asthma free .Sleeping peacefully thanks to you.Should i start using the split dose from today.
Tell me if i got it right .Shaking the bottle vigourously 4-5 times and then taking a spoonful of thr remedy and mixing it in half a cup of water and taking a spoonfull from that cup.
Brgds
Shiny
 
shiny last decade
Dear Shiny

I am indeed delighted at the response of your son to the Nat Phos 6c that you finally consented to use with some reluctance when all other remedies were of no avail.

I am glad however that your son is progressing nicely and as I informed you in my last post, I feel that it is now time to let his body take over as it must when given the chance to live as God has destined all human bodies to live according to His laws.

You have repeated the instructions for the split dose correctly but I must tell you that you cannot use the water in the cup on the day following as it seems to lose its curative power when used on the day after. I also hope that you are refrigerating the bottle with the remedy.

Please observe your son closely for any negative response which you will correct immediately by going back to the dose from the bottle directly.

The Ars Alb 200 is your remedy to be used on a SOS basis if he gets an attack under the new dosage.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
Yes i understood your instructions clearly.Everyday fresh water needs to be taken .I am confident that the split dose will also work well for him and i will keep you posted.
Thanks
Shivani
 
shiny last decade
Dear Joe
Started with the split dose.Yesterday was the first day touch wood slept well.No asthma symptoms so far.I will continue with the split dose and report weekly.

Thanks
Shiny
 
shiny last decade

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