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Depression: My sisters daughter is suffering from Depression aka Schizophrenia

My sisters daughter 17 years old is suffering from Schizphrenia, somebody pls advise medicine.

I have put her on Ignatia 6 and Aurum Met 6. Is this ok??

Learned doctors and practitioners pls help
 
  ganesh2280 on 2010-03-08
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please give her complete case history and symtoms.


dr.mahfooz
 
Mahfoozurrehman last decade
Can somebody give me a questionnaire to help me list out the symptoms??


Thanks Mr. Mahfoozurrehman
 
ganesh2280 last decade
1. Chief Complaints :
She is Worse by Evening at 4.30-6 pm,
Likes cold season

Feels like weeping for no reason

Feels like laughing for no reason

Feels like someone is talking to her, she can listen to that

When alone, she feels someone is walking in the house

She feels hungry.

Less interested in studies,
cannot concentrate, cannot understand

Hates to take a bath
Cannot bear perfumes, Agarbatthies,

Bites Nails frequently

Feels no one likes her

Guilty of self

In a schizophrenic attack she really goes mad, hits her mother and father with whatever is nearly reachable mobile, book etc.

She is really avengful

She is repentless initially

She hates her mother

She demands a lot of attention and love from her parents

She irriates everyone in the family upto an extent that someone really should hurt her in the process.


Dear Doctor, as per my observation she is repentless after violent attacks on my sister and brother in law. She goes to an extreme whenever she gets a schizophrenic attack. She cares nobody, she forgets who is mother, father and grandmother during this period.

Other Complaints :

She is Afraid of seeing dead bodies seen on Tv.

Afraid of being alone

We have observed this happening since 1 year


Paternal grandmother is a mental patient who keeps talking to herself.


No other sufferings or schizo pateints from the maternal side

There is no history of suicides in the blood relations

Mother has had accidental abortion


Previous to this schizophrenic behaviour None, she was a bright and obedient child till 15-16 years all this has started of suddenly.


No Skin diseases, but her father has had Psoriasis of Palms


She had a shock when she saw an accident near her house while going to colllege
The second shock and insult she faced was when she failed in 10+1, felt very insulted because of failing

She is guilty because of this.

Right now she is on Nexito 10
AND RESPERVIDONE
Urine

Quantity frequency & associated complaints (If any) : 5 to 6 times in a day.

(ii) Stream : Normal
(iii) Odor : Smells phenyl and horrible

iv) Any sort of pain or history of burning before/during/after urination : Burning

(v) Any history of bleeding/pus discharge with urine :No.


C. Stool :
• (i) Frequency, consistency & associated complaints (if any) :Twice a day

(ii) Time required :15-20 minutes, will come out only when there is a sound

(iii) Odor :Bad, Horrible

(iv) Is there any blood or mucous with stool : No

(v) Any history of constipation / dysentery / diarrhea since your childhood?
v) Have you any trouble of flatulence, fart, eructation, acidity? In what time it aggravates and ameliorates?

She farts a lot of horrible smell


E. Skin :
• (i) Please mention your skin type (e.g. dry / oily) : Oily

(ii) Do you have warts or moles on any part of the body?

Moles On Left side of the Face, next to nose, below eyes and on elbow near
Right Hands

Appetite :
• (i) More / less / moderate :

Desires :

Salty and more of tamarind like bitter food or soury food.
(vi) Sweets / Salty - what kind of food you prefer excessively?

Sweet

Aversion :
• (i) What are the types of Food / Drinks for which you have dislike?

Coloured Rice

Thirst :Medium
•
(ii) Quantity at a time : 1 cup

(iii) Do you feel that there is excessive salivation in your mouth? Yes

K. Thermal Relation :

(i) Your likes / dislikes & reactions about the season, such as tolerance / intolerance to heat, cold, rains, humid weather etc.
• Humid Weather

(ii) How do you relish the open air?
• Relishes open air

(iii) What is the type of clothing you like for regular use?
• Salwar Kameez

(iv) Do you experience burning sensation in any part of the body? If yes, give details.

She notices burning sensation in Legs

• (v) Have you tendency to catching cold?

Yes, there is a tendency to catching cold

(vi) If you wet in rain, what will effect?
Ans : None

L. Sleep :
• (i) How is your sleep? Disturbed


ii) Write in details including the position during sleep.

• Snake like

Dreams :of theives in dreams and Murder

(ii) If yes, write the details and the frequency of the same.

Everyday

N. Perspiration :
• (i) How do you sweat?

Excessive, more prominent in Palms

(ii) What is the amount of sweat (Mild/moderate/profuse)? Profuse

(iii) Is it more on some particular part of the body?

All over the body

(iv) Does it stain? No

(v) Do you feel better after perspiring or feel worse?
• Feels better after perspiring

(v) Is their any peculiar odor?

Bad Odor of Sweat

O. Salivation :
• (i) What do you feel - dryness or wet on your mouth?

Wet Salivation on mouth

(ii) Do you feel that there is excessive salivation in your mouth?
• Yes

(iii) Does the saliva dribble during sleep?
• Yes

(iv) Is there any offensive odor?

Moderate

P. Wounds :
• (i) Does your wound heal readily or have a tendency to suppuration?
Heals readily

(ii) Do you feel that the bleeding from the wounds is normal in quantity?

Ans : Normal

Mental History :
• (i) Temperament : Momentary / violent / consolation aggravates / sulky.
• Momentary and Violent, consolation aggravates / sulky

(ii) Behavior : Normal
• (iii) Fear : In what subjects please specify : Fear of thieves, neighbours seeing her,

(iii) Home sickness / Introvert / Extrovert : Home sick and introvert

(iv) Intellect / Talent : Normal / Witty / Sharp-witted / Stupid .

Sharp wiited

(v) Memory : Normal / Weakness /Forgetful :
Forgetfull

(vi) Concentration : Normal /Absent minded / Abstraction /Difficult :

Concentration Difficult

(vii) Suspicious / Distrustful :Very Suspicious
if two people are talking she suddenly takes care and feels that they are talking something bad about her or her disease.


(viii) Mania / Ludicrous : Mania

(ix) Fastidious / Untidiness / Cleanliness : Cleanliness

(x) Wanted with company / alone :
She prefers to be alone

• (xi) Music : Like / dislike.

Dislikes music or noises

xii) Talking / speech : Normal / less /loquacity / any abnormalities.
Talks Less

(xii) Shy / Shameless / Lewdness :
Shy

(xiii) Thinking - on what subjects?
•About neighbours, thieves, se thinks everyone is watching her

(xiv) Calculative / Economic / Extravagance :Economic

(xv) Any History of suicidal tendency :No

Age of Menarche :15 Years

Regularity of the cycles :Regular
• Duration :25-30 days
•Quantity :Less, scanty

Nature of discharge :
• Symptoms before, during and after menses :Little bit disturbed
• Last menstrual period :25 days back


I have typed all these symptoms asking her, her father and her mother.

I have used a questionnaire from another source.

Dear friends, please let me know the correct medicine for the above symptoms,
 
ganesh2280 last decade
Ignatia 6 and Aurum Met 6 are not the right remedies for the kind of problems she is having.

In my opinion you should give her a single dose of Aconite 1M to recover from the shock that she had suffered after seeing the accident.

Later you should put her on Lachesis which seems to me her constitutional remedy on the basis of reported symptoms.

You may start with three doses of Lachesis 200c at a gap of 4 hours for only one day (not daily) and review her case every 15 days.

So you may give her Aconite 1M now. You should see how she responds in next 7 days. If there is no substantial change you may give her Lachesis after 7 days as explained above.

15 days after giving Lachesis you should review her case and take the appropriate decision.

So this is what i think.

Please also listen to others as the case is not a simple and routine one.
 
kadwa last decade
Thanks mr. Kadwa for the reply. I shall do as directed by you and report after 15 days or keep posted about the changes
 
ganesh2280 last decade
Dr. Kadwa, I do agree with your findings let us joined hands together to treat the patient. I think first of all the patient needs a dose of Miasmatic medicine. if you agree, I suggest Stram. or Hys. thereafter your protocol will start. As far as Aco is concerned though it is not deepseated remedy however it can be tried for timely relief However, Ars. would give good result instead of Aco.


dr. mahfooz
 
Mahfoozurrehman last decade
From the description it appears a case border Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder(APHD) with Bipolar disorder not amounting to Schezophrenia:

The Child has a genetic deficiency compounded by the present tense and the inadequacies in her bringing about insults and injuries to the mind. The shock taking capability of the mind is less. and here Arnica 200 or 1M single doses should help rather than Aconitum which is not indicated medicine. Neither Ignatia nor Aurum are indicated.

The indicated medicines are the same as we should give to autistic children and or similar kind of children where the damages are greater to the Thymus gland, pituitary gland, thyroid gland, adrinals and liver. The medicines should start right from the Stem Cells and with Thuja 30 three doses for three days. The maximum indicated medicine is Natrum Mur. 30 and should go upto 10M. The problems she received from Grief freight anger would be corrected by this medicine.
See the mind symptoms of Natrum Mur:
''''Psychic causes of disease; ill effects of grief, fright, anger, etc. Depressed, particularly in chronic diseases. Consolation aggravates. Irritable; gets into a passion about trifles. Awkward, hasty. Wants to be alone to cry. Tears with laughter.'''''''

Thereafter she would need few doses of Sulphur Calcarea Carb Lycopodium as Trio
and She would need Gratiola officianalis a few doses for the trantrum which if do not yield should be neutralised by Nux Vomica.
Ignatia will only aggravate the situation.

Lachesis symptoms which you have noticed are natural symptoms in women getting aggravated when their self esteem gets low. So instead of considering it as constitutional medicine you should give a dose or two in 200C potency to correct that particular behavioural disorder and its underlying causes. Stramonium and Nux Moschata may not be required but Anacardium and gelsemium may be given to correct the memory disorder and if need be and if there is constipation Alumina should come into play just one dose.

She would need Kali Phos, Ferrum Phos, Natrum Mur, Natrum Phos etc at 6X potency as tonic.

All miasms are seen in defective balance.
Medorrhinum 1M single dose, Tuberculinum 1M single dose may be required if not others.
There is also parasites in the stomach which may be taken care by occasional doses of Cina and Sulphur.

If there is any sexual deprivity overtone due to discontinued schooling at a stage when the children long for presence of opposite sex which is deprived due to discontinuing the studies, and subsequent depression lurking behind the actions, a dose or two of Staphisagria should correct it.

I am giving below a few medicines according to the symptoms and you can see the prominent medicines recurring. The case is not of Schizophrenia or depression. It is just a behavioural disorder of strong magnitude touching a stage or schozophrenic
obliviance where if not Anacardiumm, Alumina should help.
==================================

1. Feels like weeping for no reason: Natrum Mur, Medorrhinum, Nux Moschata, Manganum Acet., Pulsatilla, Sepia. Crocus Sativus

Natrum Mur : Tears with laughter.
Medorrhinum: Cannot speak without weeping.
Nux Moschata : Changeable mood from tears to laughter.
Crocus Sativus : Crying and laughing alternatively.

===================================
2. Laughing for no reason:

1. Natrum Mur : Laughter with tears.
2. Manganum Acetate : Involuntary laughing and weeping.
3. Moschus : Uncontrolleble hysteric laughter
4. Phosphorus : Uncontrolleble laughter follwed by sadness.
5. Crocus Sativus: Laughing and crying alternatively in mental troubles.
6. Stramonium
===================================

3. Feels like some one talking to her she can listen to that :

1. Anacardium
2. Calcarea Carb (this applies to her grand mother also for soliloqui in High potency of
1 M and above). - Talks to himself or appears tp be talking to a person who is not there.

3. Cannabis Sativa
4. Hellaborus
5. Stramonium
==================================When alone, she feels someone is walking in the house (cause : fear)

1. Arsenic Album(constitutional here)
2. Medorrhinum (Miasmic)
3. Natrum Mur (as per cause)
4. Calcarea Carb (as per cause)

===================================
5. Hates to take a bath
Cannot bear perfumes, Agarbatthies,

SULPHUR SULPHUR AND SULPHUR

==================================

6. Bites Nails frequently

1. Natrum Mur - Nail biting in children
2. Stramonium, Cina, Hyosiamus Nig - ADHD children.
3. Arum Triph
4. Ammonium brom
5. Sanicula Aqua
6. Hyociamus nig.
=================================== with best wishes.From the description it appears a case border Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder(APHD) with Bipolar disorder not amounting to Schezophrenia:

The Child has a genetic deficiency compounded by the present tense and the inadequacies in her bringing about insults and injuries to the mind. The shock taking capability of the mind is less. and here Arnica 200 or 1M single doses should help rather than Aconitum which is not indicated medicine. Neither Ignatia nor Aurum are indicated.

The indicated medicines are the same as we should give to autistic children and or similar kind of children where the damages are greater to the Thymus gland, pituitary gland, thyroid gland, adrinals and liver. The medicines should start right from the Stem Cells and with Thuja 30 three doses for three days. The maximum indicated medicine is Natrum Mur. 30 and should go upto 10M. The problems she received from Grief freight anger would be corrected by this medicine.
See the mind symptoms of Natrum Mur:
''''Psychic causes of disease; ill effects of grief, fright, anger, etc. Depressed, particularly in chronic diseases. Consolation aggravates. Irritable; gets into a passion about trifles. Awkward, hasty. Wants to be alone to cry. Tears with laughter.'''''''

Thereafter she would need few doses of Sulphur Calcarea Carb Lycopodium as Trio
and She would need Gratiola officianalis a few doses for the trantrum which if do not yield should be neutralised by Nux Vomica.
Ignatia will only aggravate the situation.

Lachesis symptoms which you have noticed are natural symptoms in women getting aggravated when their self esteem gets low. So instead of considering it as constitutional medicine you should give a dose or two in 200C potency to correct that particular behavioural disorder and its underlying causes. Stramonium and Nux Moschata may not be required but Anacardium and gelsemium may be given to correct the memory disorder and if need be and if there is constipation Alumina should come into play just one dose.

She would need Kali Phos, Ferrum Phos, Natrum Mur, Natrum Phos etc at 6X potency as tonic.

All miasms are seen in defective balance.
Medorrhinum 1M single dose, Tuberculinum 1M single dose may be required if not others.
There is also parasites in the stomach which may be taken care by occasional doses of Cina and Sulphur.

If there is any sexual deprivity overtone due to discontinued schooling at a stage when the children long for presence of opposite sex which is deprived due to discontinuing the studies, and subsequent depression lurking behind the actions, a dose or two of Staphisagria should correct it.

I am giving below a few medicines according to the symptoms and you can see the prominent medicines recurring. The case is not of Schizophrenia or depression. It is just a behavioural disorder of strong magnitude touching a stage or schozophrenic
obliviance where if not Anacardiumm, Alumina should help.
==================================

1. Feels like weeping for no reason: Natrum Mur, Medorrhinum, Nux Moschata, Manganum Acet., Pulsatilla, Sepia. Crocus Sativus

Natrum Mur : Tears with laughter.
Medorrhinum: Cannot speak without weeping.
Nux Moschata : Changeable mood from tears to laughter.
Crocus Sativus : Crying and laughing alternatively.

===================================
2. Laughing for no reason:

1. Natrum Mur : Laughter with tears.
2. Manganum Acetate : Involuntary laughing and weeping.
3. Moschus : Uncontrolleble hysteric laughter
4. Phosphorus : Uncontrolleble laughter follwed by sadness.
5. Crocus Sativus: Laughing and crying alternatively in mental troubles.
6. Stramonium
===================================

3. Feels like some one talking to her she can listen to that :

1. Anacardium
2. Calcarea Carb (this applies to her grand mother also for soliloqui in High potency of
1 M and above). - Talks to himself or appears tp be talking to a person who is not there.

3. Cannabis Sativa
4. Hellaborus
5. Stramonium
==================================When alone, she feels someone is walking in the house (cause : fear)

1. Arsenic Album(constitutional here)
2. Medorrhinum (Miasmic)
3. Natrum Mur (as per cause)
4. Calcarea Carb (as per cause)

===================================
5. Hates to take a bath
Cannot bear perfumes, Agarbatthies,

SULPHUR SULPHUR AND SULPHUR

==================================

6. Bites Nails frequently

1. Natrum Mur - Nail biting in children
2. Stramonium, Cina, Hyosiamus Nig - ADHD children.
3. Arum Triph
4. Ammonium brom
5. Sanicula Aqua
6. Hyociamus nig.
=================================== with best wishes.



And by the way this remedy is not provided by me its by
Dr Udaya Kumar
 
dr.k.s last decade
Hii
Friend you can

give Sulphur 200 1 Dose only in the morning hours (Empty Stomach)

Followed by Saclac 4 piles 4 times a day for seven days

And you can give me follow up after 7 days

my nos is
9867926686
 
dr.k.s last decade
Dear Homeopaths, this is the feedback after giving aconite, ignatia and aurum metallicum:

This is the continuation of my previous posts hearing what my brother in law and sister have to say about their daughter who is suffering from this shall we call it a mania or a disorder??








My sisters daughter's mental pictures : (I shall refer to her as Tejaswini from now on. Tejaswini's younger sister is Chandana)

She makes a mountain of small issues for ex : her neighbour was cooking non-veg and she made a huge ruckus about it about the smell she called me over my mobile and she said she felt like as if someone was making her eat mutton.

She has no interest whatsoever in her studies.

She gets irritated when her mother or her grandmother ask her to study.

She wants to be pampered and her word to be listened to be at any cost. In otherwords, she should have a say in everything.

She hits at people who offends her with whatever is available, throws things like mobile during an attack which is generally b/w 4-8 pm.

She has fought with her friends in college because they dress awkwardly and obscenely i.e. she is too self conscious of other people's behaviour and thoughts.

She feels she is right correcting other people

She hates boys.

She is too suspicious i.e. she feels everyone is talking about her illness.

She has hit her grandmother once because she felt disturbed

She hit her sister yesterday because she went to her friends house suspecting she has talked about her illness.

Tejaswini has her exams 10+2 throughout this week. Can you please help her with a remedy to see that she remembers all she has read so far ??

We are worried about this seriously. What is this mania all about??? Is it the shock of seeing the accident that has caused this illness or
is it a hereditary disorder?? We are also worried that this might affect her younger sister Chandana also slowly. Chandana is also slowly affected by this.

My brother in law and my sister are too worried about this mania.
 
ganesh2280 last decade
Dont Loose hope
Everything wil be right
 
dr.k.s last decade

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