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Nisha ben !

'Scrape the tongue...one drop of Silicea on it ..three times a day.'

There are very clear indications for Sazim to take Silicea.

Thanks for seeking my opinion.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Why on the tongue and bother about scraping?

Why not below the tongue, which is the cleanest area in the mouth , and which can't be easily contaminated?

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I agree with bandarbabu2000, my current homeopath (based in karachi), always recommend medicine to be taken under the tongue, and to be kept there as long as possible....he says let the globules melt slowly

regards

sazim
 
sazim last decade
'sazim' :
Read my following perception on Homeopathy, regarding 'SPECIFICS verses SIMILARS'
on the following link : http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254/4 , Re: Homeopathy prescribed Allopathically - THIS FOR THAT From Nesha-India on 2006-01-30.

(read specific post dated 30 January 2006).
The above explaination on - - - 'SPECIFICS verses SIMILARS' - - - neutralises all computerised repretorisation and remedy findings. Such childish and immaturish tools for judging a Homeopathic remedy is VERY very good for people like 'joe', 'Kuldeep alias .....' which may add up the self-glorifications and self-hallucinations of being a Homeo God-Father.

RE-READ REPEATEDLY, the following (replied to 'sazim' earlier !), on this link : http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/50156/1
Re: a r n i c a - for anything and everything ... From Nesha-India on 2006-02-17 (read specific post dated 17th Februrary 2006).

THE above explainations are ONLY for people who SKIN the hair of Homeopathy. (BAAL KI KHAAL nikalna). The above explainations would be understood only by serious homeo's having a acadamic bent of mind. People like 'joe' & 'kuldeep alias ....', are people who can ONLY SPLIT (as in breaking up into pieces) the hair (fabric / concept / principles) of Homeopathy and have a erratic tendency of consistently SPLITTING up of Homeopathy.


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'sazim' : (In reply to your last post)
- Say NO to Thyrodinum-1M, for the next 3 odd months.
- You can immediately start Thyrodium-200, (as treatment regime suggested earlier) and NOT otherwise, PLEASE.
- Start bio-chemics without waiting for other medicines. SURPRISINGLY, the bio-chemics ALONE will take care of your problems, as otherwise understood as a Tonic by Pankaj'bhai. However, since your case is chronically chronic (because of abuse of Homeo meds), I would also prefer minimum Homeo medicines, hence suggested you Staph, which should be your constitutional medicine.
- I would prefer you to take Bach flower remedies (as I would suggest later on, when you have identified how to procure them). Let me know if you are making effort for the same.


'sazim' - To understand your case better (PLEASE do not prejudice your mind with remedy-grids or computerised Remedy Finders), which you have been fruitlessly & repeatedly doing since many months.

SINCE you are inclined & have an analytical bent of mind towards Homeopathy, If you think you 'seriously' want to know .WHY. I suggested you 'Staph', please let me know, unless of course you want to follow my suggestions blindly.

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
 
Nesha-India last decade
Nesha...Staphys. .as first medicine..is correct. I know the reasons(symptoms) fully correspond.

Haven't elaborated.

Second med...Silicea....strong indications.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
How do we know what medicine will be indicated after Staphysagria?

Is it correct to suggest the 'second' medicine right now, without first waiting for the results of Staphysagria?

What is the hurry?

Is it to be oneup over the earlier prescriber?

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
TONGUE : Why scrape it ?

The TOP of the tongue has furrow's with acts as receptors to the brain for reflex and instant stimulation. The absorption from these tongue receptors are instant, full and 1000%. There are LITERALLY, no receptors UNDER the tongue.

Experiment :
FIRST, One drop lemon juice placed precisely UNDER the tongue, using a ink dropper. Note the stimuli, reflex and time required to register the impact of / taste of lemon juice.

After 2 mintues :
SECOND, one drop lemon juice placed precisely OVER the FRONTAL area of the tongue, using a ink dropper. Note the stimuli, reflex and time required to register the impact of / taste of lemon juice. THIS IS INSTANT STIMULI WITH 1000% INSTANT REFLEX.

The Homeo medicines need to act instantly within a fraction of second on the tongue to stimulate BRAIN STIMULI to the drug picture and signature. Dissolving the medicines SLOWLY has no significance as far as Homeo medicines are concerned, STIMULI-wise.

SCRAPING the tongue, creates the perfect local environment on the tongue to stimulate the STIMULI of the drug signature.

COMMENTS invited.

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
 
Nesha-India last decade
well done Nesha

This is the sort of debate I love to have.

Long back I had a discussion with Astra and others on this topic, but we are not convinced of the supremacy of one method over the other.

Let me dig deep into it.

Though your explanation seems logical, do have any references to it?

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Nesha

Thanks for all the explanation, and clarification on the treatment regime. I will start following your advise as soon as the medicines arrive.

I have been reading the repertory of Clarke and Boericke during the last few months (rightly pointed) and what you see in my excel sheet is the matching of my symptoms against numerous remedies, if you notice,that even though i have been trying to understand homeopathy through various channel, I didnt try to treat myself, and have always assumed that a trained homeopath would be much better in treatment me than myself, and that is the reason I have been going to various homeopaths including this forum.

The benefit of having these forums, is that the patient knows the remedies prescribed by experienced and educated homeopath, and if the patient is cured he can further research and satisfy himself, even if the remedy doesnt work, he can still gain something from doing some research, which may enable him to describe his symptoms more effectively.

Please write me the name of the Bach flower remedies, as one of my cousin would be coming from London, and where can he buy those Bach Flower remedies in London

Thanks a million again

regards

sazim

regards
 
sazim last decade
Nesha !
Very good explaination ...reg . administring on top of the tongue.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Hi Nesha

Interesting debate is going on 'the tongue' issue, in which your post is included.

If you are interested,have a look.

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4...
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy'anna, ('anna' means bhai / brother in south India) :

Thanks for discussing the 'Tongue ..... ' topic on the above link. OBIVIOUSLY, when people cannot think the uncommon, they react and defy explainations that don't suit them as some boarders did on the above link.


For practical purposes, please do the simple experiment with what I wrote above, with results / your perceptions to be posted here.

For references purposes on 'Tongue Receptors', please read Anatomy of the Tongue Receptors. .OR. for basic info, google search such as on 'Tongue receptors'. Please quote Nesha-India's explainations on 'Tongue receptors' as references, for future use.

Anatomy does not require references, IF you agree with me. Also you can dissect somebody's (kuldeep's ???) tongue and check if the receptors are on the TOP of the Tongue or UNDER the Tongue. (heeeee heeeee heeee).

Hope 'kuldeep' won't mind giving his tongue for our Anatomy experiment.

ALL inclination for 'open ended' debates / discussions INVITED.
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Pankaj'bhai,

Do you think 'Kuldeep'bhaiyyya' (with his several aliases and several tongue's) would give his tongue for our Anatomy experiment. Please oblige me on this one.

I have another person's name on tip of my 'tongue', of another chronic self-glorifyer whose tongue I would personally like to dissect after dipping & sterilising it in the wet 'fizz...ling' dose of Arnica. If you guess this persons name right, I promise you a virtual 1000 GBP.

(heeee heeee heeee heee heeeeee),

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
 
Nesha-India last decade
Nesha !
I have earned the 1000 GBP ..coz I have guessed it !
Cannot print here.

But keep the 1000 GBP as my return gift to you.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Murthy

Quote

How do we know what medicine will be indicated after Staphysagria?

Is it correct to suggest the 'second' medicine right now, without first waiting for the results of Staphysagria?

What is the hurry?


UnQuote


'Every time you study a case to find the constitutional remedy, don’t simply limit yourself to finding the simillimum... always have a second remedy up your sleeve, a remedy as much as possible similar to the first; in this way you will not be at a loss for your second prescription.'

J. T. Kent, Lectures on Philosophy.


Many times choosing 2nd remedy is useful for the prescriber which advice I have found most useful.
 
maheeru last decade
Dear Maheeru

The discussion is on the right track and I am glad for it.

If I understood it correctly,what Kent meant was this.

He was discussing the possibility of your first choice being wrong, and hence advising the prescriber to think ahead and see what other similar remedies are available, in case the first one fails to relieve.

He also discusses many times that the symptom picture may change after administration of a medicine, and if it is the case, then you have to prescribe keeping the changed symptom picture in view.

The possibility of a second similar medicine is to be explored only if the first medicine fails to relieve, and the symptom picture remains unchanged.

The prescriber is supposed to keep the analysis with him, and is not supposed to suggest the follower remedy automatically.

Keep discussing.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Maheeru,
I am glad you brought this up.

Some people are so engrossed in finding that single medicine...specially the Classical Homeopaths ...they fail to look beyond.

Learned homeopaths have also been confronted with situations where no single remedy 'drug picture' matched the 'totality of symptoms' thrown up.

Dr. Hahnemann said match the 'totality of the symptoms'...with the 'drug picture'.

So what do you do when confronted with such a situation...wait for other meds to be 'proved' (......in eternity).

Food for thought.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Wow. What a stupid question?

Organon itself gives the answer as to what to do in case you find no single medicine that covers all the symptoms.

It is too much to write all that here. I will give the postulates when I am a bit free.

Dear Maheeru

Your mind is not yet closed, I believe. Please read Organon once again. It has all the answers.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
There are homeopaths after Hahnemann who have answered this question better !!

Murthy ...refrain from making obnoxious comments and donot think you are the sole owner of knowledge.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
§ 162

Sometimes happens, owing to the moderate number of medicines yet known with respect to their true, pure action , that but a portion of the symptoms of the disease under treatment are to be met with in the list of symptoms of the most appropriate medicine, consequently this imperfect medicinal morbific agent must be employed for lack of a more perfect one.


§ 163

In this case we cannot indeed expect from this medicine a complete, untroubled cure; for during its use some symptoms appear which were not previously observable in the disease, accessory symptoms of the not perfectly appropriate remedy. This does by no means prevent a considerable part of the disease (the symptoms of the disease that resemble those of the medicine) from being eradicated by this medicine, thereby establishing a fair commencement of the cure, but still this does not take place without those accessory symptoms, which are, however, always moderate when the dose of the medicine is sufficiently minute.


§ 164

The small number of homœopathic symptoms present in the best selected medicine is no obstacle to the cure in cases where these few medicinal symptoms are chiefly of an uncommon kind and such as are peculiarly distinctive (characteristic) of the disease; the cure takes place under such circumstances without any particular disturbance.


§ 165

If, however, among the symptoms of the remedy selected, there be none that accurately resemble the distinctive (characteristic), peculiar, uncommon symptoms of the case of disease, and if the remedy correspond to the disease only in the general, vaguely described, indefinite states (nausea, debility, headache, and so forth), and if there be among the known medicines none more homœopathically appropriate, in that case the physician cannot promise himself any immediate favorable result from the employment of this unhomœopathic medicine.


§ 166

Such a case is, however, very rare, owing to the increased number of medicines whose pure effects are now known, and the bad effects resulting from it, when they do occur, are diminished whenever a subsequent medicine, of more accurate resemblance, can be selected.


§ 167

Thus if there occur, during the use of this imperfectly homœopathic remedy first employed, accessory symptoms of some moment, then, in the case of acute diseases, we do not allow this first dose to exhaust its action, nor leave the patient to the full duration of the action of the remedy, but we investigate afresh the morbid state in its now altered condition, and add the remainder of the original symptoms to those newly developed in tracing a new picture of the disease.

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Read carefully.

Hahn is talking of cases where the selected medicine doesn't cover all the symptoms.

This is not only the place he discusses about it.

He has thought about all possibilities, and he has solution for all of them.

We tend to ask questions even without knowing what is 'classical homeopathy.'

Classical homeopathy is nothing but following the organon in true letter and spirit.

If people start commenting about classical homeopathy without even knowing what information Organon has got,it is ridiculous.

It is a small book. Anybody can read it. People who have brains can understand it,if not in the first reading..atleast after a few readings.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Pankaj

I quoted from Organon.

You keep on saying there are people who know better than Hahn.

I keep on asking who are they?

What did they say?

Bring it out to the open.

We will shred their logic to pieces.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Under the Tongue vs on the Tongue:


During diagnosis(according to chinese medicine) the practitioner will look for changes in shape, color and moisture on the relevant sites. For example, when the center of the tongue appears to be red and dry it can indicate depletion in stomach juices. However, when the same area has a greasy appearance it points towards an accumulation of phlegm in the stomach.

Red edges will point toward a Liver and Gall Bladder imbalance, while insomnia can be detected when the tongue tip is red.

A pale swollen and flabby tongue will show a tendency for anemia and general weakness, while a purplish color appears while blood stagnation and pain is present. A tongue of a woman that reached her menopausal time will tend to be redder and dryer than usual.

The way a tongue appears is not an absolute indicator for the location of disharmony, but when taken as part of an overall pattern that includes a complete evaluation, it offers strong clues to the nature of imbalance.

Different zones of tongue correspond to major internal organs. These regions absorb necessary nourishment pertaining to each internal organ when we chew and eat. So only the advice from sages that chew first(so that food will touch different zones of tongue to enable it nurture main organs.)and swallow next. Many modern ailments are the result of fast-brand swallowing without chewing.
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The Sense Organ that detects Taste are the TASTE BUDS not the TONGUE.

Most of the total 10000 taste buds are present in papillae(on the tongue).
Each Taste Bud shows a particular Sensitivity to one of these taste. The Sense of Taste is converted to Nerve Impulses in the Taste Buds and transmitted to the Brain by TWO Nerves - The FACIAL NERVE AND GLOSSOPHARYNGEAL NERVES.



Once these Sensory Receptors are Stimulated, they TRANSFORM one form of ENERGY from the Environment (LIGHT, SOUND) into another form of ENERGY (ACTION POTENTIAL) that can be transmitted to other neurons. These Action Potentials (IMPULSES) reach the Central Nervous System (CNS).

Theoritically speaking remedies could be administered via smell=nose, taste=mouth,optical sensor=eye,aural sensor= ear and touch=limbs mainly palms because all these regions contain sensors that could stimulate brain immediately.

A new but not confirmed way to confirm Well Indicated Remedy:

In this respect I would like to add that there is one practice I have heard from one my teachers that:- If X(the patient) holds the well indicated remedy in his hand in right angle to his body, his hand cannot be forced down by another person. But if the same person holds not so well indicated remedy, his hand could easily be forced down. I ve just started experimenting this.

P.S: Regarding my earlier post, it was just a straight answer to the question 'whether 2nd remedy should be chosen or not during the first case taking analysis?'. It was not aimed for any other intention.

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maheeru last decade
So in my opinion on the tongue is slightly advantageous than under the tongue. But there should not be any rigid idea. Since both give benefits, one can choose any mode.
 
maheeru last decade
Quote Maheeru

'P.S: Regarding my earlier post, it was just a straight answer to the question 'whether 2nd remedy should be chosen or not during the first case taking analysis?'. It was not aimed for any other intention.'

The answer is it can be chosen, but should be kept in the mind/book of the prescriber..should be given after analysis once again,if the picture doesn't change after the first medicine.

There is no point in announcing it in advance.

Murthy

P.S. Good info on the tongue.
More info on tongue.

http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/cook-tongue.asp
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Nesha

I am still awaiting for your Bach Flower remedies, so all the medicine can be brought together by my cousin who is shortly coming from London.

Thanks & regards

sazim
 
sazim last decade
Dear Murthy

My seemingly innocent straightforward answer has been interpreted differently by yourself and pankaj.

The same is true when you both interpret what is the bedrock of homeopathy. Just like constitutions differ opinions too differ. So I am confining my comments to pure academic sense.

You may be interested to read the article in following link:
http://www.homeopathy.ca/articles/heriing_law.html

This explains how herring's law is fallible and its not essential that the healing method essentially follows herring's law of cure. Particularly acute cases dont follow herrings and also some chronic cases like mental ailments

My philosophy is : Looking up Repertory and Materia Medica at the site of accident to provide remedy to accident victim is utter foolishness.

The same will hold good when a homeopath in his practice room dont look up any reference not even consult his past experience or his mind while prescribing psorinum or sulphur on just hearing the patient's complaint psoriasis.

Murthy you will like to know that many great Indian homeopaths and other asian giants of yesteryears(particularly between 1835 to 1905) did their successful healing without current repertories than present day socalled classical and nonclassical homeopaths. They knew basic principle of hahnemanian philsophy but they interpreted on their own with just occasional references of medical journals. Otherwise Dr. John Martin Honigberger who learnt real homeopathy from Hahnemann would not have cured paralysis of Raja Ranjit singh with dulcamara if he merely was searching rubrics and present constitution(There was no repertory, clinical cases compilation, materia medicas, compiled organon etc that's another issue). He was the first person who introduced Homeopathy in India. Without him, there'd not be so much homeopathic talk in the subcontinent.

Sometimes repertorization is not appropriate. Just look up remedy for muscular dystrophy in Murphy's you will get Causticum, Plumbum, Lathyrus. But real improvement has been made using Gelsmium, Manganum, Argentum, Zincum etc.

Since because I ve given evidence to errors of herrings law it does not mean that I discard it and I dont believe it. Rather I believe it as a bedrock but accept that it's not essential for cure in some occasions.
 
maheeru last decade
Hi Maheeru

I am aware of the reference you made.

Hering's law is really not a law, comparable to 'similia similibus curanter', but is a definite guide in chronic cases.

As you say all cured cases may not follow that route, but most of them will.

Yes, in acute problems ,one should be able to prescribe quickly, if he has good knowledge of materia medica.

But, even those quick prescribers assess the case in their mind, and if you analyse their prescriptions afterwards ,you will be amazed how they fit most of the patient's symptoms.

That comes by dedicated reading of materia medica and its day to day application on hundreds of patients.As you say they don't need any Radar/repertory.They may refer to the repertory only occassionally.

But, do you think the information given by the patients here allows such well considered judgement, without further questioning?

In one of the threads a patient is complaining of burnig pain, after 2 to 3 hours of eating, amel by eating a biscuit.

With this information we can take a chance with Nux.Vomica/Anacardium, but one of the reputed prescribers here insists that Nat.Phos will help this case too, despite the fact the patient complained of a relapse, even after taking Nat.Phos for a few months.

It is this sort of rigidity in prescribing I am opposed to.

I will be happy to see the prescribers telling all of us why they selected a particular remedy.

That will be helpful to everybody.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade

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