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Ok thank you! I will cut prog cream to 40 tomorrow and i am thinking 0 after that. Then 3 weeks from Friday on the stupid remeron.
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Ok- will wait to hear from
you tomorrow then.

Best,

Simone
 
simone717 9 years ago
Hi Simone- yesterday I fought anxiety all day...I usually do not have this so I am thinking it was progesterone cream and my accupuncture stirring things up. I wasn't sad or anything but my head, ear, stomach bothered me all day. I was doing better by evening. Slept ok, woke early and feel pretty down. Not many physicals symptoms but down, no motivation, no patience, feel like i need to rush and feel hopeless. Thanks Shannon
(Did 1/2 does of progesterone cream this am)
 
shannocita 9 years ago
How often do you get acupuncture?

Bc the acupuncture will counteract the
progesterone-in other words if the progesterone
amps you up ( like it does) then your pulse
will indicate that is out of whack, and the
treatment will have effects of trying to release
that thru some meridian.

Also you cannot do acupuncture on homeo meds,
bc the homeo meds will be doing one thing
and if the remedy is releasing things then
acupuncture will show that is imbalance and
stop that.

I would try another dose extra diluted like
you did the other day.
 
simone717 9 years ago
I get accupuncture every Tuesday. He is very good at the pulses and he focuses on my heart and head get are completely "blocked" this is all so confusing I just want to feel better and don't know what to do.
 
shannocita 9 years ago
You have to choose one system.

The body/mind works holistically. Logically, you cannot
get acupuncture for one part of the body, while taking
the sleep meds, and hormones for the other parts of the body
and not think these things do not interact, bc they do.

People come on here, tapering off one med, and it is very
hard to tell what is from the remedy, what is from the
med and withdrawal.

Your issues, except for the headache and ear are from
the allopathic meds causing them.

The homeopathic meds are a catalyst when they match
enough symptoms to have your own life force clear
the problems, and it goes in a certain path. Usually
mentally better, sleep better first and then physical things
show up and then leave.

Acupuncture if done well, could take care of the nerves,
and get rid of the sleep med, and get rid of progesterone, etc and taper and use Chinese herbs.

I don't know if you could take Advil or similar for
the headache etc until you are off all these other things.

If me I would take the Gelsemium again today, to help
and continue tapering.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Ok I guess I thought each thing would help me, but that is not to case. So, I am getting off the Prog cream within the next few days. The remeron will be gone in three weeks. These are absolutes. I need to now choose between accupuncture/Chinese herbs or Homeopsthy to help get me through this...that is what you are saying correct?
I don't care about the headache/ear. I care about the depression and hopeless feeling at this point. Thank you!
 
shannocita 9 years ago
That is right, You cannot do both- they are two
different systems.

And if you want to do homeopathy with a good professional-
I have two people to suggest to you- that you can work
with by phone consult.

One is a nurse homeopath, teacher, 38 years experience.
She is in NM- Lia Bello. She has her site under
construction but you can still google about her-
Call rather than email. She does acute issues for $50
with follow ups ( you are not an acute) and she has
helped out some people who came on here in emergency
situations, very warm, non judgemental and easy to
talk to.

The other person is Mary Aspinwall, google her site,
She has 20 years or more, is also a teacher,read
her testimonials, and she has a free homeopathy book
you can download off her site, She is in Santa Barbara,
and she will work on the phone.

I trust these people- I will put Lia's phone number on
here for you shortly. 505 474 4917
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:41:16 GMT]
 
simone717 9 years ago
I am meeting with a professional homeopath tomorrow, so we will see how that goes. I just got my iron (ferritin) levels back and it was low, an 8. Maybe they has something to do with the depression. Thanks for all your help
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Hi-

On the iron levels:

You can start taking Ferrum Phos Cell salt 6x for that-
it is way too low and that causes depression and mood
swings.

Cell salts are a sub system of homeopathy. There are
12 salts. They have a minute level of the mineral
in them. They work by rebalancing the actual cells.

The cell salts are usually Hylands brand and they
are in Whole Foods under where the remedies are.
You can start with 4 tabs of the Ferrum Phos 6x and
dissolve under the tongue and do this 4 times a day
for two weeks. You don't keep taking cell salts like
a vitamin, you take them for 2 weeks on, one week off,
and when you feel normal stop. Resume when you feel
low again.

I have given these to women on here with low iron
levels and they feel better in days. I would not take
iron supplements as it is easy to overload and hard
to regulate and too much is toxic.

Check your diet out to see the Reason for this- as there are two types of iron,
and the easiest way to absorb it is to eat meat
and chicken every day. Plant based iron is harder to
absorb and you can look up the foods for that and
how to make it easier to absorb.

Good you are meeting with a homeopath, just make sure that they have at
least 6 years of experience, and do either all homeopathic prescribing or
if a naturopath use homeopathy for 60 percent or more of their practice.
A lot of naturopaths, have just a few courses in homeopathy and prescribe
it as if you are taking vitamins and that won't work.

Best,

Simone
[message edited by simone717 on Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:31:44 GMT]
 
simone717 9 years ago
Thank you for the info, I will get some right now. Maybe this will help some. My diet is very very clean but I will increase all things iron.
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Hi-

Best to read up on this, and do the chicken, meat and look
over the other. Too much spinach, etc can then cause
other problems, so make a plan.

The Ferrum Phos should help in a big way. The other women
had levels not as low as you, they were depressed, they
were extremely emotional, and there was almost immediate
changing of all that within days. The iron levels
have to be right.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Oh gosh I hope this works. I just took 4 tablets and will follow your instructions. I don't know if decreasing the progesterone cream is causing more depression but today is my last day to take it so I will have to power through
 
shannocita 9 years ago
You are right about that- powering thru it.

The iron levels have to be adequate-
it is cause and effect, no speculation on that front.
 
simone717 9 years ago
So check this out...I randomly went to have my iron levels checked last Friday because someone just mentioned it to me. I called my doc to order the lab and had blood drawn day 15 of my cycle--mid cycle. Well they accidently ran my hormones again. Here are the results:

Testisterone serum 2.7
Free testosterone 2.0
T4 free 1.22
Dhea- 146
Tsh-1.9
Estradiol 113
Progesterone 7.5

They are balanced in my opinion!
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Your level last time was before mid cycle-
and progesterone builds each day- so that
previous test did not look out of range to me.

There is nothing wrong there in my mind-
I would not fiddle with it-even people who
are in menopause and getting bio identical
hormones, have to keep getting levels checked
every month - to get the latest precise levels-
or they feel very off-
 
simone717 9 years ago
Hi Simone- I feel better today after just one day on the ferrous phos. I am hoping this is not a fluke! Thank you so much!
 
shannocita 9 years ago
No- I don't think it is. Ferrum phos brings
the iron levels back up. They have to be
normal to feel normal.

Too much iron, on the other hand is toxic.
So please don't add in any iron from supplements or overdoing spinach etc, The body
knows how to get the iron from chicken and meat-
just make sure you are eating enough protein
and balanced diet.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Thank you. A homeopath suggested aqua flora for candida issues---U agree?
 
shannocita 9 years ago
No. At least not at this time. You do one
remedy at a time. You need to get your iron
levels corrected first. After that, see what is left.

You can work on the candida, by stopping sugar,
eating mostly protein and vegetables, taking
a probiotic to get the gut flora back up to
par and take the probiotic for 3 months. Probiotics effects of brands are different
for different people,you have to experiment,start
slow, one a day. Have one that has at least 8 strains. Bio K at whole Foods is expensive but
very good-it might be a good one to start with.

I would take Ferrum phos for two weeks and then
get your iron levels checked again, whoever told
you to do that was a blessing from above.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Ok thank you Simone! I randomly set up an appointment with this dr last Friday. I have no idea why, I have no idea what his name is. I went to this appointment and he listened to my story and asked me if I had my iron levels checked. I said that I am sure I have with All the tests I have had run (tons my many drs) but I called and checked anyway...nope! Never run. This guy was an angel to me as you are too
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Fantastic that you followed thru on that.
Lets see how it goes, one thing at a time.
 
simone717 9 years ago

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