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Tapering antidepressant

Hi, I have been slowly tapering off Mirtazapine since December. I have about a month left. This med was given to me for sleep and it made me depressed. Now, coming off it, I have BLACK depression, panicky feelings, hopeless, despair...just horrible mental stuff. I have 2 little buys to Support and have lost my job due to this mess. Can you please help? Thank you!
 
  shannocita on 2015-03-14
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1. Natrum Mur-200 6 pills twice a day for one week and then give feedback. We will take a review.

R.P. Tamhankar
 
shouse_nsk 9 years ago
Ok I will order this and try it. Thank you! I am also on natural progesterone cream...for estrogen domjnance. It is making me feel very very charged up...heart pounds, Etc. I have been taking 120mg for 3 days. Do you know anything about this? I hope it's normal
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Hormones are very tricky to adjust.

Did a Dr. tell you to use this cream?

I would stop using it.

What is going on with your periods, etc that led
to using this?
 
simone717 9 years ago
My dr took bloodwork on day 10 if my cycle. My progesterone was .3ng and my estradiol was 387pg. My periods are heavy and clotty- I am 42.
My dr thought it might help me and also help with my withdrawal symptoms from mirtazipine. Do you prefer homeopathy to balance hormones?
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Yes.

Please fill out the basic intake form-

Give additional info about your periods history, as to
when the periods became this way, what have you taken
for this in the past, what has helped make things
feel better, ( wide range here, from consolation,
to rest, to food, to warmth, pressure etc) and
what makes things worse.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/188925

Your case has to be taken in detail.

Regards,

Simone
 
simone717 9 years ago
Female (pre-ovulation): less than 1 ng/mL ( progesterone levels)


Female (mid-cycle): 5 to 20 ng/mL ( progesterone levels)


Estradiol Levels-

The levels should be 200-600 per mature (18 mm) follicle. These levels are sometimes lower in overweight women.` ( Mid Cycle
levels)

Based on the above, I would stop using that cream bc it is
causing problems as per your reactions.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Rishimba has designed a very good Questionnaire (Set of Questions) for case taking. He designed this long back. i have been using these questions whenever i think that full case taking is needed.

These questions are designed to get the following information from the patient
1. Mental State of the patient
2. Physical Ailments
3. The likely cause for above problems
4. The modalities like whether the patient feels well or worse in hot weather, cold weather etc., he is relieved by / worsenened by hot applications, cold applications etc.

i also thank Rishimba for designing such wonderful tool for case taking. i can also understand the hard work that he has done for desiging these questions.

Patients can use this questionnaire for submitting their cases. The effectiveness of remedy selection is directly proportional to the details provided by the patient while replying these questions.

Patient ID: Sex: F Age: 42

Please answer the following questions in a descriptive manner after careful analysis and recollection of previous experiences and happenings.

1. Describe your main suffering? Disturbing thoughts of mental despair, hopelessness, fearful, do not want to live, strong heat and heaviness in heart, depression, anxiety, no desire to do anything, no desire for things I used to like



2. What other physical sufferings do you have in your body? Restless legs, tired, drained.



3. What mental sufferings / feelings do you have associated with your physical sufferings?
Not wanting to continue this way, fear of never feeling ok again, depression, looping thoughts of despair

4. What exactly do you feel when you are at your worst?
"How am I going to love like this?" With heavy pounding heart, trying to figure out what to do about this...trying to find solutions, mind goes over and over it.

5. When did it all start? Can you connect it to any past event or disease? May of 2014, dr thought I had serious illness due to stomach issues. I had always had health anxiety and fear of something like this happening. Turned out to be no findings of anything in the stomach. ER gave me me Ativan. I took about 15 pills over the next 2 months and started to feel mentally unwell. Dr put me on Celexa in July 2014, which gave me more anxiety. I took for 4 days and stopped..continued to feel worse. Dr tired zoloft and klonopin...Made me extremely depressed. Took for 8 days. Dr pulled me off these which threw me into insomnia. I did not sleep for 9 straight days. I ended up losing my job, our home, etc due to this. I had to check myself into the hospital the day I lost my job as I was unable to cope. That was October 2014. They put me on mirtazapine for sleep, made me suiciidal. I started titrating off if it on December. I now have severe fear, bad thoughts, depression.



6. Which time of the day you are worst? Daytime...lightens up in evening.

7. What are the things which aggravate your suffering and which are those which ameliorate the same?
Nothing helps


8. Do your think your sufferings have relation to any external stimuli (like, change of place) or any internal biological changes in the body, like, menses (in females)?
Possibly hormones


9. When do you feel better, during hot weather or cold weather, humid or dry weather?
Does not matter

10. Describe your general mental set up? Are you Moody, Arrogant, Mild, Agreeable Changeable, Nervous, Suspicious, Easily offended, Quiet, Arguing, Irritating, Lazy etc. Prior to this I was slightly moody, but lighthearted and agreeable. I was a pleaser. I always had a fear that myself for family member would get a disease or die. It did not run my life, but it was there. I was irratable at tirmes. But had a good, happy life

- How do you feel before or during a thunderstorm? Headache before storms. Lessens throughout storm.

- Do you like being consoled during your tough times? Yes
- Are you sensitive to external stimuli like smell, noise, light etc?
At times
- Do you have any typical habit or gesture like nail biting, causeless
weeping, talking to one self etc? Pick at cuticles.

- How do you feel about your friends, family, your children and especially your husband / wife? I have isolated myself from my friends. I talk with my husband who has been the person who had got me through this so far. I love him dearly. I used to feel like I was the dominant one. That is no longer the case. My kids are great, but I hate not being their old mom they knew

11. What are your fears and do you dream of any situation repeatedly?
I fear I will have another
Mental downward spiral and will
Never feel myself again

12. What do you crave for in food items and what are your aversions?
I have very little appetite. I used to be somewhat of a compulsive eater and had a weight problem. I no longer have that and almost have to force myself to eat.

13. How is your thirst: Less, Normal or Excessive?
Pretty thirsty
14. How if your hunger: Less, Normal or Excessive? Less

15. Is there any kind of food which your body can’t stand? No

16. Is your sweat normal or less or more? Where does it sweat more: Head, Trunk or Limbs? Less, trunk I think

17. How is your bowel movement and stool type? Fairly loose...I have a very clean diet. I used to be completely constipated all
The time.

18. How well do you sleep? Do you have a particular posture of sleeping?
I sleep pretty good, but am taking mirtazapine, which helps

19. Do you think you are able to satisfy your sexual desires in general? No libido :(

20. How do you think you are different from others, if at all?
All day every day

21. What medications have been taken earlier by you to treat the diseases and do you have any particular symptom surfacing after the medication? All medications I have taken seem to make me worse...more depressed, more fear and anxiety


22. What major diseases are running in your family? Mother has autoimmune hepatitis, dad had stroke at age 55


23. Describe, how do you look like? Describe your overall appearances I am 5'9", 145 lbs. small upper body with fattier hips, thighs , butt. I am fair skin, blonde hair, blue eyes . Curly hair

24. (ONLY FOR FEMALES)

Please answer the following questions:
(Please give details of your past menstruation if you have attained menopause.)
- Are the periods early, regular or late in general? How long do they last? Brown spotting for several days before period. Very heavy, clotty, 5-6 days with brown spotting several days at end
- Do you suffer from any kind of physical or mental discomfort before, during or after the periods? Not before all
This need began, but now I feel the same almost every day
- Is the flow scanty, normal or excessive? Excessive
- Is the blood thick bright red or pale watery? Thick dark bright
- Do you notice any clots in the flow?
[message edited by kadwa on Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:15:23 BST]yes
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Hi- you can get well, You just have to get these drugs out of
your system. You did not need them in the first place.

You had anxiety about your stomach, and homeopathy could have
helped you with the stomach symptoms and the anxiety.
The drugs have side effects of course and people feel crazy-
This is why it is so bad to give these to younger people- teens,
bc they don't know who they are yet and have no baseline to
compare.

With you, the person you were before the drugs is you and that
will return once this is resolved.I just want to assure you
that you never, ever, lose that. That is your baseline self
and it will show up when the drugs are gone. So don't entertain,
that you may have changed and won't come back. Who you are
never leaves, I have worked with a lot of people messed up
by these medications,and the anxiety about yourself is one
you can put to rest- you will be ok.

1. Did you have the restless legs before the meds?

2. Before you took the meds, were you a person who likes
company around them? Did you have anxiety about being alone?

3.Describe what the stomach symptoms were initially.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Bless you for your words to me. They spoke directly to me and I am so grateful for what you said.
I started getting restless legs after the docs started trying meds on me.
I was a social person. I liked being alone too though. I still can snap back into myself if needed to talk to someone. Afterwards I kinda fall apart because it's a struggle .

The stomach... My husband and I went away for our anniversary. I got severe diarrhea attack while there. When we got home, I started getting upper abdominal bloating. I could not eat much which was weird for me. I lost my appetite and felt yucky. I felt like I had a band around my ribcage.

Also..I have had a difficult time taking a deep breath for many many years . It comes and goes. I have to yawn to get enough air at times.
 
shannocita 9 years ago
I also have pretty bad headaches and left ear pain/jaw pain. This has been with me for years and it pretty bad now
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Hi,

I felt you needed to hear that, and take it off your worry
list.

Describe the headache and ear/jaw pain. The location of the
pains. What it feels like in your own words. What was going
on when it first started. After it began, when did it come on
and when does it appear now? What if anything makes it better?
And what makes it worse?

What medications have you tried for it? Do you still take
meds for it now?

Do you grind your teeth, and have you checked with the
dentist about it ( tmj) etc.

In homeopathy one has to look for your totality- mental,
physical, emotional, better and worse. That is because the
remedy is chosen on the basis of being similar to your
unique set up. When the remedy is similar enough, it works
off the natural healing law of "like cures Like". Which means
your body naturally will not accept anything close to what is
already happening. The body reacts by raising your life force
to clear out imbalance in a certain order. The remedy is not
doing the work, it is a catalyst to boost the life force to
do the work.
 
simone717 9 years ago
The headache is usually on the left side. It sometimes is awful and throbbing but usually mild. Before the meds, it seemed to only come when a storm was coming. My left ear hurts fairly constantly. It is not throbbing but just "there". I had severe ear problems as a child and had my tonsils out and tubes out in. I can't say that my ears much my young life after that but kicked back up maybe in my 30's. I do believe I grind my teeth because I have had nightmares that I cannot open my mouth. My jaw pain is on the left also. It is a dull ache that goes away at times but always comes back. Yoga and EFT help a tad. I have never taken meds. I think some have mentioned Tmj
Thank you so much. I pray that something helps me
 
shannocita 9 years ago
Hi,

Please purchase Gelsemium 30 c and Gelsemium 200c.

Also purchase 2 dropper bottles. Usually they are around 3 inches
in height.

I want to you to start with one dose of the 30c.

Make up the remedy as follows and use Rum, brandy, or vodka for
the alcohol. Take one dose and then report back what you notice
the next day. Do not eat or drink, a half hour before or after taking
it.

You may be able to pick up the Gelsemium 30c at Whole Foods but
the 200c you can order off this site remedies shop.

If you have obtained pillules or pellets, you will need a small bottle and a dropper to make your own liquid dose. Mix water and alcohol into this small bottle to the ratio of 5:1. Dissolve 3 pillules/pellets into this bottle. All doses will be made from this bottle.



1. Hit the bottle 5 times firmly against the palm of the hand

2. Place 3 drops into 100mls of clean fresh water

3. Stir very thoroughly

4. Take 2 teaspoons out into the mouth and hold for 20 seconds, then swallow.
[message edited by simone717 on Sat, 14 Mar 2015 20:05:29 GMT]
 
simone717 9 years ago
Thank you so very very much. How are you so wonderful just to help people you don't even know?!
I am calling while foods right now and then heading to the liquor store. Hoping for a miracle here :) thanks again and bless you from the bottom if my slightly tore up heart .
 
shannocita 9 years ago
For the 5:1 ratio of water to alcohol, do you suggest 5TB of water to 1 TB of alcohol or is there a.better measurement.? Thank you!
 
shannocita 9 years ago
That is fine, I just eyeball the dropper bottle,
and fill it 4/5 up and then add the alcohol.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Ok great- do you feel this may help calm me down and help with the bad thoughts? Thank you so much
 
shannocita 9 years ago
There are a couple ways to go at this. One is to take
a few doses of nux vomica, which gets rid of overdoses of
things, whether it is food, alcohol or drugs.

And then go off the sleeping med. and then begin the remedy.

Since you are tapering this and almost thru, I don't want to
upset that protocol.

If you are new to homeopathy- these are types of things
that can happen.

1. Nothing happens after a few tries. Could be remedy is not
right and potency is not right.
2. You start to feel a little worse for a time with your
old symptoms and then that leaves, and you feel mentally better
and sleep better. That is a good sign, it means the remedy is
working and active. And that the remedy is following the correct
pathway of mental symptoms, sleep etc starting to get better first.

After that, it should move on to physical things showing up
from the past and then they leave- being pushed out of your
system.

3.Sometimes some things appear better and other things stay
the same- meaning the remedy only is taking care of some
symptoms and not others, then you need another remedy for
what remains.

4.I am giving you a small, diluted dose, low potency to test
what the reaction is going to be.

You are sensitive and everyone is different there is no way
to predict.
[message edited by simone717 on Sat, 14 Mar 2015 23:28:15 GMT]
 
simone717 9 years ago
Ok. You are right, my body is sooo sensitive right now. I will do the low dose suggestion and report back in 24 hours afterwards. Again, thank you.
 
shannocita 9 years ago
I am concerned about my mental symptoms getting worse for a time. I am barely hanging on as it is.
 
shannocita 9 years ago
That is why I am giving you a low strength and diluted,
bc that potency does not last long-
in acute cases like a bad flu or cold, people take the 30c
every 4 hours, at least 3 times to see what the effect will
be. So we are talking about a few hours here. This is a major
remedy that addresses your headaches also.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Ok I can handle that! Thanks!
 
shannocita 9 years ago
I found gelsimium semoervirens 30c..correct?
 
shannocita 9 years ago
That is correct.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Hi Simone-
I took the requested amount of gelsemium yesterday. It took me a little while longer to fall asleep than usual and I felt like I woke up more often, but still got a lot of sleep. I actually felt pretty good when I woke up. I was happy to see my family and was able to make then breakfast. I was even eager to go on a walk. I started feeling a little yucky on the walk- it's a weird flu like feeling that seems to come from the Remeron.
Physically: left ear pain, tired, head feels heavy
Mentally: "off" ; don't want to do anything, down, my reaction to situations feels different- more sensitive than my Norma self

Thank you
 
shannocita 9 years ago

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