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Analysis of Radhekrishna's case treated by Joe over the last 18 months.
22/05/05Enlarged prostrate
Frequent urination
Diabetes type II borderline
23/05/05
Prostate: grade 1 hypertrophy
Diabetes: borderline
cholestrol: above 200
BP: 160/80
29/05/05
Alkaline Phosphatase: 760 (normal 30-150)
19/06/05
BP: 162/80
Diabetes: 6.4 fasting
cholestorol:210
Alkaline phos:700
01/07/05
Diabetes: borderline
Cholesterol: Normal
BP: 155/90;145/80
Sodium: High
Protein: High
Alkaline phosphate: High and alarming
11/07/05
BP: 150/80
A.P: 627
22/09/05
A.P: 700
10/11/05
Urinary tract infection
A.P: 523
12/11/05
Diabetes: Normal
BP: Normal
17/02/06
Haemoglobin: 130( normal 135-175)
Haematocytes:0.38(0.4-0.5)
RBC: 4.38(4.5-6.0)
Nitrite: +ve
HBA1C: 0.064(0.40-0.60)
A.P:714(upto 150)
06/03/06
Potassium: high
Cholesterol:6.1
Nitrites: High
A.P: 808
WATER RETENTION IN LEG AND FOOT
23/11/06
A.P: 798
Haemoglobin:low
RBC:low
Present thread:
EDEMA OR WATER RETENTION IN MEN
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Analysis:
In the beginning
He was a borderline diabetic.Not at all high.
BP a bit high.
Cholestrol normal
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After 18 months of Joepathy
Anemic (Not there in the beginning)
A.P: Worse than in the beginning
UTI (Not there in the beginning)
Cholesterol (Normal then and now)
Diabetes (Borderline in the beginning and Normal now)
B.P High earlier and normal now.
AND EDEMA IN LEG AND FOOT
So, he managed to reduce his BP, but now is having confirmed kidney problem.
Added to that he has become anaemic, and is having UTI too.
Is he better or worse?
Murthy
♥ gavinimurthy on 2006-11-24
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Now, see Joe's self glorifying post. (which as usual contains lot of venom, only thing is now a little bit more)
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Re: Recent cases of Homeopathy Terrorism. Convert to Classical Homeopathy or Die. From Joe De Livera on 2006-11-24
Dear Krishna
It is nice to see you back on the ABC again after a lapse of about 6 months.
I am delighted to note that that your BP is completely normal and that you still take Arnica which I remember I prescribed about 2 years ago.
You have returned at a critical time for me and the other resident prescribers on the ABC as you may have seen that we have 2 trolls both of whom do not have any qualification in homeopathy like me but who still pretend that they are the cat's whiskers in promoting their own brand of hyper classical homeopathy which I believe you too were suffering from when you consulted doctors and later classical homeopaths very early in the treatment of your ailments years ago.
It would be of general interest for members of the ABC and also these trolls if you can please record your case history for the benefit of these detractors whose sole aim is to vilify me because I have been able to help so many thousands of patients on the ABC and other forums that I visit.
These 2 trolls have concentrated their attacks on me for the last 2 months with the obvious intention of forcing me to abandon the ABC but I have decided to respond to their inane posts by attacking them in the same manner that they attack me. It is unfortunate that in doing so, I have to expend the time that I could have spent in helping my patients who depend on me for assistance, in responding to their taunts which you will see have reached a fever pitch that has never been experienced before in any forum of this nature. It was ironic that one of them even boasted how he was responsible for the increase of the posts on the ABC from 60 to 90 which he claimed was due to his presence on the forum when he would shadow each post that I make in response to my patients.
If you read some of their posts you will notice that their presence on the ABC is NOT to help any patient but only to keep on attacking me as it obvious that they both derive some sadistic pleasure in doing so. You may like to know that they were both banned by Simon Broadley the moderator of the ABC but they have both returned under other aliases which Simon does not know how to use to ban them permanently.
Please respond by posting your case history with reference to your previous posts to enable members and those interested in this ongoing harassment that I have to endure on a daily basis, as to how my Joepathy helped your case.
Joe De Livera
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Now, read the thread
The Theory of Suppression
from the beginning and ask yourself the following questions.
Is the patient better or worse overall?
Is reduction in BP, and subsequenting landing into Kidneytrouble a desired change?
We will discuss further.
Murthy
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Re: Recent cases of Homeopathy Terrorism. Convert to Classical Homeopathy or Die. From Joe De Livera on 2006-11-24
Dear Krishna
It is nice to see you back on the ABC again after a lapse of about 6 months.
I am delighted to note that that your BP is completely normal and that you still take Arnica which I remember I prescribed about 2 years ago.
You have returned at a critical time for me and the other resident prescribers on the ABC as you may have seen that we have 2 trolls both of whom do not have any qualification in homeopathy like me but who still pretend that they are the cat's whiskers in promoting their own brand of hyper classical homeopathy which I believe you too were suffering from when you consulted doctors and later classical homeopaths very early in the treatment of your ailments years ago.
It would be of general interest for members of the ABC and also these trolls if you can please record your case history for the benefit of these detractors whose sole aim is to vilify me because I have been able to help so many thousands of patients on the ABC and other forums that I visit.
These 2 trolls have concentrated their attacks on me for the last 2 months with the obvious intention of forcing me to abandon the ABC but I have decided to respond to their inane posts by attacking them in the same manner that they attack me. It is unfortunate that in doing so, I have to expend the time that I could have spent in helping my patients who depend on me for assistance, in responding to their taunts which you will see have reached a fever pitch that has never been experienced before in any forum of this nature. It was ironic that one of them even boasted how he was responsible for the increase of the posts on the ABC from 60 to 90 which he claimed was due to his presence on the forum when he would shadow each post that I make in response to my patients.
If you read some of their posts you will notice that their presence on the ABC is NOT to help any patient but only to keep on attacking me as it obvious that they both derive some sadistic pleasure in doing so. You may like to know that they were both banned by Simon Broadley the moderator of the ABC but they have both returned under other aliases which Simon does not know how to use to ban them permanently.
Please respond by posting your case history with reference to your previous posts to enable members and those interested in this ongoing harassment that I have to endure on a daily basis, as to how my Joepathy helped your case.
Joe De Livera
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Now, read the thread
The Theory of Suppression
from the beginning and ask yourself the following questions.
Is the patient better or worse overall?
Is reduction in BP, and subsequenting landing into Kidneytrouble a desired change?
We will discuss further.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Radhekrishna
You would have been much better if you depended on allopathy alone.
Even now, it is not late. Stop all homeopathic medication.
Consult a good classical homeopath near you.
The prescriptions on internet can no longer help you. You need the personal care of a local homeopath.
Continue your allopathic medication with faith, till you can consult a competent classical homeopath in person.
You have been too good to give good certificates to Joe and others on this forum. That refelects your largeheartedness.
Even Joe is not bad. He is also a good person, and tries to help all, despite the fact that he doesn't have enough knowledge, to handle homeopathy well.
Homeopathy is a double edged weapon. In wrong hands it can create more misery.
Forget about internet treatment, and please do as advised.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
Murthy
You would have been much better if you depended on allopathy alone.
Even now, it is not late. Stop all homeopathic medication.
Consult a good classical homeopath near you.
The prescriptions on internet can no longer help you. You need the personal care of a local homeopath.
Continue your allopathic medication with faith, till you can consult a competent classical homeopath in person.
You have been too good to give good certificates to Joe and others on this forum. That refelects your largeheartedness.
Even Joe is not bad. He is also a good person, and tries to help all, despite the fact that he doesn't have enough knowledge, to handle homeopathy well.
Homeopathy is a double edged weapon. In wrong hands it can create more misery.
Forget about internet treatment, and please do as advised.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Arnica suits very well in many cases of High BP.
I say this with lot of conviction gained from suggesting it to many patients out side of ABC.
Arnica does not allow blood clots to form, it dissolves blood clots, thins the blood ...hence makes it move more freely in the blood vessels. More importantly...any damage to blood vessels is repaired by Arnica.
Hypertension is a problem of blood, blood pumping and blood vessels....so why should it not be useful in controlling High BP ??
From the time a person shows High BP symptoms...the first fear is rupture of a blood vessel(s). Rupture can happen in the Brain, Retina/Eye, Kidney, around the Heart etc.
Arnica prevents a rupture of blood vessels. Also..repairs ruptured blood vessels. Dissolves clots.
So why would one not think of Arncia in High BP??
Arnica is better than any allopathic med in its area of influence.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
I say this with lot of conviction gained from suggesting it to many patients out side of ABC.
Arnica does not allow blood clots to form, it dissolves blood clots, thins the blood ...hence makes it move more freely in the blood vessels. More importantly...any damage to blood vessels is repaired by Arnica.
Hypertension is a problem of blood, blood pumping and blood vessels....so why should it not be useful in controlling High BP ??
From the time a person shows High BP symptoms...the first fear is rupture of a blood vessel(s). Rupture can happen in the Brain, Retina/Eye, Kidney, around the Heart etc.
Arnica prevents a rupture of blood vessels. Also..repairs ruptured blood vessels. Dissolves clots.
So why would one not think of Arncia in High BP??
Arnica is better than any allopathic med in its area of influence.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Radhekrishna,
For water retention in the body (anywhere)...you have to start with Natrum Sulph. 6X right away.
Take it four times a day...four pills. (Bio-chemic)
In three weeks you will see great improvement. I have tried it with many patients with success.
It is more effective and results are more enduring than allopathic meds. Works on the basis of theory of Dr. Schussler and not Dr. Hahnemann.
Natrum Sulph. also improves the functioning of the kidneys.
For kidney treatment ...can give you suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma
For water retention in the body (anywhere)...you have to start with Natrum Sulph. 6X right away.
Take it four times a day...four pills. (Bio-chemic)
In three weeks you will see great improvement. I have tried it with many patients with success.
It is more effective and results are more enduring than allopathic meds. Works on the basis of theory of Dr. Schussler and not Dr. Hahnemann.
Natrum Sulph. also improves the functioning of the kidneys.
For kidney treatment ...can give you suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Radhekrishna,
For water retention in the body (anywhere)...you have to start with Natrum Sulph. 6X right away.
Take it four times a day...four pills. (Bio-chemic)
In three weeks you will see great improvement. I have tried it with many patients with success.
It is more effective and results are more enduring than allopathic meds. Works on the basis of theory of Dr. Schussler and not Dr. Hahnemann.
Natrum Sulph. also improves the functioning of the kidneys. (It is a medicine for liver and kidneys).
For kidney treatment ...can give you detailed suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma
For water retention in the body (anywhere)...you have to start with Natrum Sulph. 6X right away.
Take it four times a day...four pills. (Bio-chemic)
In three weeks you will see great improvement. I have tried it with many patients with success.
It is more effective and results are more enduring than allopathic meds. Works on the basis of theory of Dr. Schussler and not Dr. Hahnemann.
Natrum Sulph. also improves the functioning of the kidneys. (It is a medicine for liver and kidneys).
For kidney treatment ...can give you detailed suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Arnica ,if used based on totality, will not only cure High BP, but also will not deterioate the patient.
Arnica used solely for reducing High BP, gives rise to suppression, as is evident in the above case.
His BP is reduced, but kidneys are effected.
This is a claasic case of suppression by homeopathic medicines resulting in the disease effecting more vital organs.
The patient would have been much better, if he kept his BP under control, by allopathic medication.
He would not have had so many complications.
This should be a lesson for everybody. Don't take any medicine on allopathic diagnosis alone.
There are no specific medicines for BP, no specific medicines for Diabetes, in homeopathy.
Homeopathy has to treat the whole person, not by allopathic diagnostics, not part by part.
You may feel 'this for that' therapy is working in the short term, but, as I keep telling you repeatedly you can't connect your long term problems to this therapy.
The damage happens much afterwards.
In the above case, it took 18 months, and even then Joe is claiming that he cured him,of his BP.!!!
Yes, his BP is definitely palliated, but, what are the long term complications.
I am not discussing hypothetical cases, or cases from books. This is a real life case, prescribed on this forum, and all records are available for verification.
Murthy
Arnica used solely for reducing High BP, gives rise to suppression, as is evident in the above case.
His BP is reduced, but kidneys are effected.
This is a claasic case of suppression by homeopathic medicines resulting in the disease effecting more vital organs.
The patient would have been much better, if he kept his BP under control, by allopathic medication.
He would not have had so many complications.
This should be a lesson for everybody. Don't take any medicine on allopathic diagnosis alone.
There are no specific medicines for BP, no specific medicines for Diabetes, in homeopathy.
Homeopathy has to treat the whole person, not by allopathic diagnostics, not part by part.
You may feel 'this for that' therapy is working in the short term, but, as I keep telling you repeatedly you can't connect your long term problems to this therapy.
The damage happens much afterwards.
In the above case, it took 18 months, and even then Joe is claiming that he cured him,of his BP.!!!
Yes, his BP is definitely palliated, but, what are the long term complications.
I am not discussing hypothetical cases, or cases from books. This is a real life case, prescribed on this forum, and all records are available for verification.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
The working of a medicine doesn't depend on theories. It won't tell us whether it is going to work as per Hahn.'s thought,or as per Shussler's thought.
Despite all the theories, it will do whatever good or damage it can do.
So, caution is required in selecting a remedy. It has to be base on totality.
Similarly caution is required, while repeating the remedy.
Hahn's advices are based on commonsense and logic.
The more is not the better always.
Murthy
Despite all the theories, it will do whatever good or damage it can do.
So, caution is required in selecting a remedy. It has to be base on totality.
Similarly caution is required, while repeating the remedy.
Hahn's advices are based on commonsense and logic.
The more is not the better always.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I thought I will take two weeks leave from the forum, but can't do it now, in view of the situation here. I have to intervene.!
Murthy
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
There are different systems of healing..Classical Homeopathy is one.
On the internet ...thru google...you will see many sites that question Classical Methods (I am not totally against it but fanaticism about it can harm a patient ??????????????). Best is to read info on those sites.
Pankaj Varma
On the internet ...thru google...you will see many sites that question Classical Methods (I am not totally against it but fanaticism about it can harm a patient ??????????????). Best is to read info on those sites.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Schusseler's Cell Salts have benefitted many many...without causing harm. They are addatives to the human system.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
These guys promoting 'Classical Homeopathy' here are not even qualified homeopaths.
Do they have the right to give dictates here????
Do they have the right to give dictates here????
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Once again we are going out of track, as it has become a norm when people can't discuss on points.
Any therapy is welcome, as long as it helps in the patient's well being over a long term.
Why do we say, allopathy is to be avoided. Because it has no cure for chronic problems, except lifelong palliation, which makes the matters more and more complicated.
Similar is the case with 'this for that' therapy. You will not know, what complications it may lead to. You will not know how to come out of it.
Some times, it is worse than allopathy, in the damage it can cause.
Classical homeopathy has well laid out rules. It covers all situations, all eventualities. It teaches us what to expect after giving a medicine. It teaches us how to monitor the progress. It teaches us what to do, in case there are problems.
In a nutshell, the classical homeopath is in full control, all the time. 'This for that' prescribers are not.
Answers are given many times to all the other questions in my previous threads.
Murthy
Any therapy is welcome, as long as it helps in the patient's well being over a long term.
Why do we say, allopathy is to be avoided. Because it has no cure for chronic problems, except lifelong palliation, which makes the matters more and more complicated.
Similar is the case with 'this for that' therapy. You will not know, what complications it may lead to. You will not know how to come out of it.
Some times, it is worse than allopathy, in the damage it can cause.
Classical homeopathy has well laid out rules. It covers all situations, all eventualities. It teaches us what to expect after giving a medicine. It teaches us how to monitor the progress. It teaches us what to do, in case there are problems.
In a nutshell, the classical homeopath is in full control, all the time. 'This for that' prescribers are not.
Answers are given many times to all the other questions in my previous threads.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
The only cases of High blood pressure which would actually be CURED using Arnica, are those arising from corporeal affections. Arnica is an acute, non-antimiasmatic remedy only, and is therefore incabale of actually CURING a chronic case of this complaint.
'Schusseler's Cell Salts have benefitted many many...without causing harm. They are addatives to the human system.'
These things contain a MINISCULE amount of the crude substance, app 1/1000 000 (and this is in the LOWEST potency used!), and are therefore unlikely to have very little benefit to the patient in terms of nutrition. They are Homoeopathic potencies, and should therefore be prescribed as much on their specific indications as any other remedies.
'These guys promoting 'Classical Homeopathy' here are not even qualified homeopaths.'
I would be VERY very careful what you say Mr Varma, as regardless of any 'qualifications' (which I don't know about Murthy, but I am actually pretty close to completing, under the same tutor who taught your much admired Dr Luc too oddly enough :) ), we both have a LOT more clinical experience than you, and I at least have FULL formal training. We are of course still waiting for YOUR credentials, and until they are given, I would advise you keep such comments to yourself, as I am sure you don't want this to erupt into anything else again now do you, hmm? Good stuff ;)
And yes Murthy, I would have to agree, it does look like supression using Arnica has caused the other two complaints the patient is now suffering from.
Best wishes to all.
-Jacob.
'Schusseler's Cell Salts have benefitted many many...without causing harm. They are addatives to the human system.'
These things contain a MINISCULE amount of the crude substance, app 1/1000 000 (and this is in the LOWEST potency used!), and are therefore unlikely to have very little benefit to the patient in terms of nutrition. They are Homoeopathic potencies, and should therefore be prescribed as much on their specific indications as any other remedies.
'These guys promoting 'Classical Homeopathy' here are not even qualified homeopaths.'
I would be VERY very careful what you say Mr Varma, as regardless of any 'qualifications' (which I don't know about Murthy, but I am actually pretty close to completing, under the same tutor who taught your much admired Dr Luc too oddly enough :) ), we both have a LOT more clinical experience than you, and I at least have FULL formal training. We are of course still waiting for YOUR credentials, and until they are given, I would advise you keep such comments to yourself, as I am sure you don't want this to erupt into anything else again now do you, hmm? Good stuff ;)
And yes Murthy, I would have to agree, it does look like supression using Arnica has caused the other two complaints the patient is now suffering from.
Best wishes to all.
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
Then what is your recommendation of protocol for Radhekrishna based on his current situation.
His 'thirst is not quenched' with all the lectures on Classical Homeoapthy. He is looking for a medicine that will make him ' an immortal from a mortal' with your therapy.
Pankaj Varma
His 'thirst is not quenched' with all the lectures on Classical Homeoapthy. He is looking for a medicine that will make him ' an immortal from a mortal' with your therapy.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
This is the advice I gave to Radkhekrisna, which you might have failed to notice.
There are much better, more competent prescribers in the real world out there, than us.
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Consult a good classical homeopath near you.
The prescriptions on internet can no longer help you. You need the personal care of a local homeopath.
Continue your allopathic medication with faith, till you can consult a competent classical homeopath in person.
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Is it clear?
Murthy
There are much better, more competent prescribers in the real world out there, than us.
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Consult a good classical homeopath near you.
The prescriptions on internet can no longer help you. You need the personal care of a local homeopath.
Continue your allopathic medication with faith, till you can consult a competent classical homeopath in person.
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Is it clear?
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I see no confusion? A good Homoeopath knows when to recommend the patient see a practitioner in real life rather than try to treat such a problem online for his own personal satisfaction.
And I would agree Murthy. I would not treat a case of kidney disease without having full face to face contact with the patient. To attempt to treat such a thing over the internet is just asking for trouble, to rely on recommendations of remedies which will cause even more problems in the long run, is even worse.
-Jacob.
And I would agree Murthy. I would not treat a case of kidney disease without having full face to face contact with the patient. To attempt to treat such a thing over the internet is just asking for trouble, to rely on recommendations of remedies which will cause even more problems in the long run, is even worse.
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
Some problems either with the eye or mind make objects seem hazy, while others can see them clearly.
Murthy
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
My post of 24-11-2006
'For kidney treatment ...can give you detailed suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma '
Yes Murthy...you are right when you say:
'Some problems either with the eye or mind make objects seem hazy, while others can see them clearly.'
How apt in your own case.
Pankaj Varma
'For kidney treatment ...can give you detailed suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma '
Yes Murthy...you are right when you say:
'Some problems either with the eye or mind make objects seem hazy, while others can see them clearly.'
How apt in your own case.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
If you had suggested this already Mr Varma, then why were you questioning Murthy for giving the same advice, and making an issue thereof?
JCS2006 last decade
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
QUOTE: My post of 24-11-2006
'For kidney treatment ...can give you detailed suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma '
Yes Murthy...you are right when you say:
'Some problems either with the eye or mind make objects seem hazy, while others can see them clearly.'
How apt in your own case.
Pankaj Varma
The nature of this post suggests some 'haziness' from Murthy as you had already made the same assertion previous to his doing so, hence my comment above. If there was a different meaning to this post, then please, do explain.
'For kidney treatment ...can give you detailed suggestions ...that you can discuss with your local homeopath.
Pankaj Varma '
Yes Murthy...you are right when you say:
'Some problems either with the eye or mind make objects seem hazy, while others can see them clearly.'
How apt in your own case.
Pankaj Varma
The nature of this post suggests some 'haziness' from Murthy as you had already made the same assertion previous to his doing so, hence my comment above. If there was a different meaning to this post, then please, do explain.
JCS2006 last decade
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