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Joepathy - Nuisance or What ?

Nesha-India, REQUESTS and invite all forum members ( including college qualified, non-college self-qualified, Non-Classical and Classical Homeopaths, specially - Medicos, Biologists and Chemistry'logists ), to discuss and give in their, biased or unbiased, view point on this topic
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JOEPATHY - Nuisance or What ?


The MATERIA MEDICA of 'Joepathy' contains ONLY & ONLY the following medicines :

a) Arnica (Universal Cure for ANY & ALL diseases)
b) Nat.Phos.6X (Universal Cure for ANY & ALL digestive & acidity distrubances)
c) Nat.Sul.6c (Universal cure for ANY & ALL types of Asthma)


The REPERTORY of 'joepathy' contains ONLY & ONLY the following :

a) No Need for the Repertory
b) No Need for Symptom analysis
c) Fixed methods of Dosage (as in Allopathic system)
d) Duration : Take dosage LIFELONG (as in allopathic system)
e) No other medicines antidotes in 'joepathy'
f) No need for knowing anything about Anatomy.
g) No need for nothing.


PROVINGS :

a) No need. Self Solo-Mono word is the supreme
b) No need for authentication
c) Create questions & answer question via proxy alias postings for 'joepathy' glorifications.
d) No Medical Council verification / authentications available
e) No endorsements by ANY colleges, instutitutes or research organisations
f) No books or documented facts available
g) No qualifications necessary
h) No ethics or oath required
i) ANY problems, Just take the above three medicines and ANY & ALL diseases will be cured (provided that you take them lifelong)



THERE is a lot of small talk about 'Joepathy' ('sazim' a member coined the phrase 'joepathy', when he saw the nuisance prescriptions of Arnica for ANY & ALL diseases), among the ill-qualified or non-qualified self-proclaimed non-clinical Homeopaths. MEANING those non-qualified self-proclaimed non-clinical Homeopaths, who prescribe after reading few books and possessing a software for repertorisation purposes.

- Bookish homeopaths means NON-qualified self-proclaimed homeopaths.
- No software means no capacity to repertorise symptoms
- Non-qualified Homeopaths means no knowledge of the medical world
- Non-qualified Homeopaths means no knowledge of the Human Anatomy
- Non-qualified Homeopaths means no knowledge of the Homeopathic REMEDY drug picture
- Non-qualified Homeopaths means no knowledge of the Drug signature picture
- Non-qualified Homeopaths means no knowledge of the Drug signature action duration
- Non-qualified Homeopaths means no knowledge of the Drug signature inimicals
- Non-qualified Homeopaths means no knowledge of the Drug signature antidotes

- ONLY incompetent homeopaths who can't treat the classical way will justify the non-classical way of homeopathy. That (self-glorifying'ly A.D.D.) becomes very obvious for them to defend or justify the non-classical way of treatment.

- Non-qualified Homeopaths are totally OBLIVIOUS to the FACT & FINE ART of case taking & repertorising symptoms & find out the specific constitutional remedy (medicine) due to their non-qualification or non-education in the Medical Science of Homeopathy

- In Homeopathic medicine system, medicine's are prescribed based on ALL cumulative symptoms and NOT & NEVER given for individual disease names. which is total mockery of Homeopathy.

- DESPERATE Patients FALL EASY PREY and involuntarily ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MAGICAL CURES FOR the following sedentary-life-style disease cases :
a) HAIR FALL, b) Diabetes - Blood Sugar, c) Asthma, d) Eczema, e) Obesity, f) Erectile Dysfunction, g) Blood Pressure, h) Smoking, i) INSOMNIA, j) Acne .....

- IF Arnica was supposed to be prescribed, as in 'joepathy' then the inventor and founder father of Homeopathy, the great Dr. Hahnemann could have done it 200 years back and Dr. Hahnemann could not have invented Homeopathy. Dr. Hahnemann could have prescribed Arnica in the Allopathy way, in the way 'joepathy' prescribes Arnica for ANY & ALL diseases.

- Would the excuse of 'Helping for Free', 'humanity', 'love' etc..... be proper to prescribe Arnica for ANY & ALL diseases JUST because it is done so for FREE and for HELPing patients.
BTW, OVER HERE EVERYBODY DOES IT FOR FREE. (heee .... heee .... heee.... )

- It is no excuse to say that classical homeopaths are jealous of 'joepathy' success of Arnica style CULT prescriptions for ANY & ALL diseases, WHICH THE 'joepathy' propagator DOES SO AS A TIME-PASS HOBBY, which is a self-satisfying mockery, at the cost of patients health.

- It is no excuse to falsely say that 'joepathy' is highly successful verses the classical homeopaths, who do not follow the 'joepathy' method of prescribing Arnica for ANY & ALL diseases.

- It is no excuse to say that classical homeopaths are sceptical and critical of 'joepathy' method of diagnosis. ARE They ? Should the qualified Homeopaths hallucinate on this one ?. Classical homeopaths are college qualified & trained and they know their homeopathic duty and responsibility. Kindly refrain from insulting the classical homeopaths.

- What in 'joepathy' is prescibed routine'ly, is neither Classical nor non-Classical homeopathy. IT is like attempting to create a Allopathic Arnica CULT, and like other scores of cult propogators the Arnica prescription for ANY & ALL diseases, are going to fade into oblivion. Patients & Homeopaths, please understand this while there is still time left.

- IS 'joepathy', an infatuated mono-source for consistent 'craving for attention' (eg. A.D.D.) and if it is not, then what is it, which has to potency to put several lives in danger.

- No medicine is given continously for long or endless periods. This is against the Homeopathic principles and rules.
- The physical Body gets addicted to that medicine, even if the dose is miniscule
- The psychological Mind gets addicted to that medicine, even if the dose is miniscule.
- The person will crave for that medicine and in the process will not be able to sleep, further causing insomnia
- The persons who get induced / forced to take Arnica for ANY & ALL diseases, are people who are looking for medical & psychological help. They are gullible people who do not have any medical sense of their diseases and they can be fooled easily.
- It is no excuse to say that KEEP taking Arnica for life or else that symptoms will return ... IS THIS CURE. If YES, then what is the need for taking medicines for life after getting cured.




CONSIDER THIS :

Homeopathically Rules Explained : 'PLACIEBO method '

A medicine given JUST to SIMPLY MAKE-BELIEVE satisfy the patient that he is taking some medicine for his problems / diseases. Mostly, these medicines are do not have any physically curative effect. BUT to only INDUCE & satisfy the patient INTO BELIEVING psychologically that these medicines are working on him. The patient by psychological law of Expectation (anticipation) starts believing in the placebo medicine and experiences some psychological relief, BUT THE INTERNAL DEEP-SEATED CAUSATIVE DISEASE FACTOR REMAINS THE SAME and further dangerously cumulates into a powerful inter-woven complicated case disease.


CONSIDER this quote :
'It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious'.

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
Skype i.d. : 'nisha-india'
 
  Nesha-India on 2006-11-22
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Nesha-India ....

beware !!! trouble ahead
 
DaVinci last decade
Dear Nesha

Splendid post once again, but we should thank Joe for coming up with a new proving of ARNICA : ADD

What do you think?

regards

sazim
 
sazim last decade
'- It is no excuse to say that KEEP taking Arnica for life or else that symptoms will return ... IS THIS CURE. If YES, then what is the need for taking medicines for life after getting cured.'

Never a truer word spoken, and this applies to ANY remedy. This is palliation, not cure.

And...ouch.
 
JCS2006 last decade
Dear Nesha,
Instead of Joe bashing, you should come up with a new goal. This is becomeing very tiring. I wonder why Simon keeps on allowing these bashing anyone posts. The forum is to help those who need it. I am one of those who has been helped by Joe's Arnica prescription. A Murthy says it is only a palliatine, but SO WHAT. Ask the people who are suffering if they would like to discard palliatives????? I used to suffer from severe joint pain 15 yrs back but would not take Allopathy tablets as they would not cure my pain. Just then I had changed doctors. My doctor asked me if i would like to be free of pain even temporarily. So what if the medicines didn't cur me, they would give relief, and you know what? this relief led to my being free of pain. Dont Murthy or You have any other work instead of jusr bashing people like Pankaj, Kuldeep and Joe. They are helping tens if not more of people. Are you just jealous. Yes people will take it to be so. I am 47 and i think that you are near my age. So WHY this CHILDISHNESS. its time to let go of all this bitterness. I am sure Simon will agree with me as his purpose in this site is to help people and not bash them. There is enough of people bashing by terrorists all of the world. So let this Forum be free of any bitterness.
I hope you will see light and agree with me.
maya
 
maya_hari last decade
Hi Maya

This is what you said.

'Dont Murthy or You have any other work instead of just bashing people like Pankaj, Kuldeep and Joe.'

If you have read all my posts, hardly 10% of my time is utilised in replying my detractors, which incidentally had been very easy, given their lack of in depth knowledge in homeopathy.

The remaining 90% of the time is used most productively, and I am glad that patients as well as the 'resident prescribers' are more educated now, and are no longer dishing out 'this for that' prescriptions.

I have told more than once what are my goals, and I will continue to work towards it.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy, you have not answered my most important question. Isnt a palliative better than suffering. What about chronic patients? No cure for diabetes or hypertension. Isnt the palliative taken daily better than nothing.
maya
 
maya_hari last decade
If cure is not possible, palliation is definitely the goal of homeopathy.

All persons will ultimately reach a stage, where they can't be cured, and hence can only be palliated.

But, there are methods for paliation too, and paliation should not lead to suppression, and result in more troublesome, more dangerous complications.

I will start a seperate thread on how to palliate in uncurable cases ,without much damage, soon.

Would you like to get palliated from your diabetes, and suffer from schrizophenia?

No body will opt for it.

Is it not?

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
As Murthy states, palliation is only acceptable for incurable patients (which are actually quite rare if one actually knows what one is doing), but this is not the goal of Homoeopathy. Mostly it is merely used because of the lack of knowledge required to actually CURE a case, which is what happens for the most part here. So no, this is not better than suffering, as mere palliation will cause even MORE suffering in the long term, something we have observed over 200 years, and is well documented in our literature. It is not an acceptable form of 'general' treatment in Homoeopathy, this is the purpose of allopathy. Also, the two examples given of course, diabetes and hypertension are both curable by Homoeopathic means, and our history is full of such cases.

I do agree though it is time such personal 'bashings' stopped on BOTH sides, but if such people as mentioned above continue to act defensively and with personal diatribe to pertinent questions regarding their methods, which is how ALL this began in the first place, then this makes it very hard for such things to be 'dropped'.

Best wishes to all.


-Jacob.
 
JCS2006 last decade
These all being prime examples:

Quotes made by Mr Joe De Livera, just today...

'If Murthy was 112kg in weight 2 years ago I presume that he is much heavier today and this may perhaps account for the obvious imbalance in his mental power today which seems to have taken a turn for the worse with advancing age and weight.'

'Unfortunately however he seems to have surrendered to his easy going life with dangerous consequences which he anticipated a few days ago when he stated that his BRAIN BOILS OVER which can mean that he is anticipating an aneurism in his brain.'

'Anyone who reads his posts just under 2 years ago can only pity him for his belligerent attitude today to my posts, which I presume is due to the imbalance in his mental power that is caused by his obesity which I can only presume is far above 112 kg today. He is advised to take immediate action to arrest his weight increase immediately.'

If the moderator here will not edit, or warn these users for making such posts, then I will cut and paste them so that everyone may see who is keeping up such arguments, the same people who started them from day one.


-Jacob.


-Jacob.
 
JCS2006 last decade
Re: Congratulations and Thanks to Gavini Murthy From dr mehmood on 2006-11-23
kuldeep, let's treat this dog. This dog seems like feels itself the Governor of the Hotel or rather constable.

I will suggest Canabis Indica 6c thrice a day for at least two weeks.
 
JCS2006 last decade
re: the vintage murthy from joe de livera on 2006-11-23
to mr jacob scot

i have just 3 words in reply for you.

go to hell !

joe de livera

murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy,
will wait for your thread on palliatives. Meanwhile I request all to stop viling this forum.
maya
 
maya_hari last decade
Re: Recent cases of Homeopathy Terrorism. Convert to Classical Homeopathy or Die. From Joe De Livera on 2006-11-24

You have returned at a critical time for me and the other resident prescribers on the ABC as you may have seen that we have 2 trolls

It would be of general interest for members of the ABC and also these trolls

These 2 trolls have concentrated their attacks on me

If you read some of their posts you will notice that their presence on the ABC is NOT to help any patient but only to keep on attacking me as it obvious that they both derive some sadistic pleasure in doing so.
 
JCS2006 last decade
physicatry evolution of Nesha-India

1.

Claims she does psychic travelling and visit people remotely.


2.

Claims that she practices whitchcraft and predicted the death of two members here.
Also visited Sri Lanka to the office of a member to drop off bad luck omens.


3.

Claims she keeps track of IP addresses and all member's activities on this website by crawlers and spiders.
Even a highschool level computer literate can amuse at such claims.


4.

Claims (often) that she knows many member's aliases (Mohan, Joe De Livera, kuldeep and more).
Time to time Moderator has to step in to correct her mistakes.


5.

Predicts that a member is in Canada when he is in India.


6.

Claims and tells a member's real name and religion and later on tell a different name as well a different religion.
More guesses in her psychic travelling

7.

In her anger, attaches animal picture along with her own posts.


8.

Believes that she is a cat.
 
sam_thrish last decade
'joepathy' : A TYPICAL uncommon 'SUPPRESSION', caused by a very low diminishing sustaining potency. Even if Arnica were to be taken for years together, the suppression (now a suppressed chronic miasm - on the guide-lines of Allopathic perceptions) of the disease WILL or MAY not surface 'BUT' defintely RE-surface ONCE again when Arnica is discontinued. AND probably with a new chronic perverted disease due to consequences of above suppressive remedies (atleast theoritically).

AND that is the precise reason the Arnica propogator (as in joepathy) has to take the Arnica non-stop since last more than 10 years. If the Arnica propogator stops Arnica even for a week, his BP & other diseases starts behaving erratically.

EXPERIMENT : YOU CAN REPLACE 'arnica' WITH ANY OTHER PLANT REMEDY (like bell, opium, lyco...) (and not mineral remedies like ferr, sul, calc. ....) and you would get the SAME VERY results of SUPPRESSION or say Sustaining 'AMELIORATION' alias 'PROPHYLACTIC' effect and surprisingly for ANY & ALL diseases. The criteria being that THESE MEDICINES HAVE TO BE TAKEN IN 'a very low diminishing sustaining potency' (that is in the WET DOSE (sic) ) OR we can even say as a never ending 'PLACEBO' dose.

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India


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Please refer to the following link, where some educative reasonings have been given on the methods adopted on the so called 'joepathy'

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/94264/
Re: How Dr.Luc made Joe's medicines rather harmless
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Nesha-India last decade
physicatry evolution of Nesha-India

1.

Claims she does psychic travelling and visit people remotely.


2.

Claims that she practices whitchcraft and predicted the death of two members here.
Also visited Sri Lanka to the office of a member to drop off bad luck omens.


3.

Claims she keeps track of IP addresses and all member's activities on this website by crawlers and spiders.
Even a highschool level computer literate can amuse at such claims.


4.

Claims (often) that she knows many member's aliases (Mohan, Joe De Livera, kuldeep and more).
Time to time Moderator has to step in to correct her mistakes.


5.

Predicts that a member is in Canada when he is in India.


6.

Claims and tells a member's real name and religion and later on tell a different name as well a different religion.
More guesses in her psychic travelling

7.

In her anger, attaches animal picture along with her own posts.


8.

Believes that she is a cat.
 
sam_thrish last decade
Re: My personal experiences in treating alcoholics. From Nesha-India on 2006-11-24
Kuldeep' bhayya,

Frustration appears to be at a height, when I don't answer your private emails, which you send me using different email i.d.s..

You must also be very very frustrated when I refused your invitation to join your nuisance website-FORUM.

How many Aliases. Another alias. Another private email
Above post is More Frustration from one of the 'BAYING' mob members, using an alias.

Instead of the above analyses, please answer my questions on the above thread and the obsecure RhusTox thread. Hope you have cleaned your shoes of all the faeces. How does the mona-sardar manage to live in all that smell ... must be a common disorder in Canada or home-sickness.

Heeee ..... heeee ..... heeee..... ho. ho... hoooooo ...

Look at this twin aliases :
 
sam_thrish last decade
Is that how you deal when in hysteria and anger???

Another psychic travelling to guess another alias.

Please get some medical attention.
 
sam_thrish last decade
Sam Thrish.

You posted the above already, there is no need to make a duplicate post for the purposes of starting arguments. We are trying to diffuse this situation, not keep it going.

Nisha's personal beliefs are of no interest to patients, and if you have some kind of PERSONAL problem with her, as seems to be the case, then argue, and make such personal comments in private, and this works on BOTH sides. I think we are all rather sick of this now.


-Jacob.
 
JCS2006 last decade
Re: Congratulations and Thanks to Gavini Murthy From Joe De Livera on 2006-11-25
To Dr Mehmood

Your prescription didn't take into account the egoistic behaviour of your dog whom you have described as 'Governor of the Hotel or rather constable. '

If he is also obese I would prescribe Nat Phos 6x as this has been proved to reduce weight in human subjects but I do not have any experience in dogs.

You may like to read a post that I have just made on:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/94839/
 
JCS2006 last decade
Re: Congratulations and Thanks to Gavini Murthy From dr mehmood on 2006-11-26

About this dog, who has established itself as a constable or rather Governor at the hotle.

Of-course Canabis Indica only accounts for its Obsessive Convulsive Repetetive and unintelligent behaviour but does not account for its egoistic behaviour to consents on all matters either by growling, barking, grunting or howling.

Let's see how Canabis Indica works. It is to begin with.

Or may be this dog needs a single dose Dr. Luc's way as kuldeep has requested in the begining.

Of-course this dog need Nat. Phos. regularly alongwith any other medication.
 
JCS2006 last decade
WHEN in context to the topic, ALSO read the following link :

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/95212/
titled : 'The views on Joe's prescriptions' From gavinimurthy on 2006-11-27

- highlighting the homeopathic nuisance 'Unhomeopathic procedure'
- intelligent opinions of other homeopaths who follow homeo principles

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Nesha-India last decade
Arnica and THIS dog. From kuldeep on 2006-11-27

Since this dog is middle aged obese and hyperactive, hence one step away from Type II diabetes, hypertension and coronary heart disease. So I tried to give it Arnica 6C, three days ago, as a preventive measure.

GUESS WHAT:

It goes ballistics on the name of Arnica and still barking. Just the name of Arnica is enough to provoke him and ruin its days.

Today I will try Naturm Phosphoricum 6x, indicated for its obesity.
 
JCS2006 last decade
Homeopathy is not make-believe Forestry medicine, which can be un-authentically prescribed left and right. Homeopathy is a specific and precise razor-sharp science in medicine. Homeopathy requires very specific professional medical knowledge.

There is no place for the following in Medical Science for :

- love
- affection
- self glorifications
- helping nature
- server of humanity
- sympathisers
- other nuisance in the name of medical treatments

Those who profess the above belief, are non-medicos or as Nesha-India says 'Q U A C Ks'. If a qualified medico professess the above belief, Nesha-India labels them as 'Qualified Q U A C Ks'.

CONSIDER THIS QUOTE :
'It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious'

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
 
Nesha-India last decade
Do you realize that DOG spelt backwords is GOD?
 
Dr. Dread last decade

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