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I am copying below a post that I have made on the NCH forum in response to a post by Dr Mas a well known and respected Pakistani Homeopath on:http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=1005
Dr Mas to Fitness
Fitness, we must give cradit to joe de livera of speaking truth, how does he practice homeopathy? There is no hidden secret in his practice. Why I said to give him cradit of speaking truth? You also know and know better than me that homeopaths all around the world are doing something different in actuall practice and on net they are telling different stories. Atleast we give cradit to joe for telling truth what he has in his mind and what he is doing in actual practice.
Joe De Livera to Dr Mas
To Dr Mas,
I am glad to note that you support my attitude to Homeopathy which is to help cure the suffering patient ASAP as indicated by our founder Hahnemann in his first Aphorism.
In my case I have nothing to hide and what is more no reason to pretend that I am the 'holier than thou' type of person who as you rightly stated says one thing and practises another. I believe that you are aware that I practise Homeopathy purely for the satisfaction that I derive in helping others to be cured and at age 77 which I will be in October, God willing, or as you state in your Faith 'Insha Allah', I am convinced that the good God repays me with my good health and the ability to still carry on with my position as the Chairman of my family owned business and also to practise Homeopathy in my own way to help anyone in distress.
I believe that it is because of this subterfuge that is adopted by the classical homeopaths that this precious science does not progress in the manner that it should rightfully do in comparison to medicine which as we all are only too aware is based on artificially creating new and exotic illnesses to enable the pharmaceutical giants to reap the benefits by producing and selling more and more powerful drugs to 'cure' the illnesses that they have created in the first place with their own drugs. You may think that my reasoning is somewhat strange in my statement above. Consider an analgesic, say Diclofenac Sodium. It will relieve pain but the damage that it does to the stomach and gut is far worse than the temporary deadening of the pain response in the patient. The burning in the stomach is quelled with Zantac or other drug which reduces the acid flow into the stomach. This leads to other diseases which are again treated with another drug. This syndrome leads the patient slowly but surely into a vicious circle from which the only escape is Death.
Take my case. At age 77 I have not taken any drug perhaps for the last 25 years except when I was in surgery in 2002 when I was on Ciprofloxacin for 21 days. I refused to use the Morphine which I substituted with Arnica 30c every 2 hours and I walked out to my car on the 5th day after a Retropubic Prostatectomy at age 73. I believe that history was made in the hospiital whose nursing staff just could not believe that I did not use their standard pain killer morphine which I knew would have caused other major side effects on my body.
I mentioned above that it is because of this classical attitude that Homeopathy is not progressing. To me is seems to be an excellent ruse on the part of the classical fraternity to keep up the subterfuge in clothing their classical constitutional remedies and whatevery they use to hoodwink the patient into believing that it is only through the classical methodology that any ailment can be cured. This leads to the patient visiting the classical homeopath at least weekly and if any aggravation occurs and this is somewhat usual, it is put down to the remedy acting and the patient is fooled into believing just that.
I believe that these classical homeopaths who like you have realized that there is more to a cure than just that pretense, that will eventually be called upon to salvage Homeopathy from the morass that it is descending daily due to the cover up that these classical types use to keep up their charade to prove at least to others that without their precious classical usage of Homeopathy there is no possibility of a cure of the patient's ailment. I am sure that in their heart of hearts they know fully well that their attitude may drag the patient's illness longer and may even result in his demise, but their precious Classical Attitude to Homeopathy must prevail at all costs.
I must apologize before I close this essay to the homeopaths that may read it and may be offended by my own frankness but but I would like to emphasize that I have done so simply because I am only trying to open their classical eyes that it is the interest of the patient that comes first and NOT their classically tuned minds to prolonging the patient's agony by the use of classical remedies which they know cannot help him.
♥ Joe De Livera on 2006-09-18
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Classical Homoeopathy is not 'working' as you put it, because it is not being apllied, and such practices as you apply Mr Livera are onlt resorted to because you are not capable of affecting cure by these means. I have read many of your posts, both here and on other forums, and I would argue that the disspaearance of symptoms seen under your mode of application is merely supressive, not curative at all. It also explains why you are met with scorn on other forums.
I have been practicing REAL Homoeopathy for 12 years, and in all that time have only met one patient for whom (so far) this approach hasn't worked.
If the baic principles are adhered to, and the practioner knows both remedies and the nature of miasmatic disease well, cure will ALWAYS follow the application of true Homoeopathy, which I am afraid is not what you practice at all...
I have been practicing REAL Homoeopathy for 12 years, and in all that time have only met one patient for whom (so far) this approach hasn't worked.
If the baic principles are adhered to, and the practioner knows both remedies and the nature of miasmatic disease well, cure will ALWAYS follow the application of true Homoeopathy, which I am afraid is not what you practice at all...
Hahnemania last decade
Hahnemania
GET REAL!!!
There is no such thing as REAL homeopathy? Noone can even define it in the first place.
Get 100 homeopaths in one room and they will all argue.
If a patient sees 100 homeopaths on the same day, they will get 100 different answers.
GET REAL!!!
GET REAL!!!
There is no such thing as REAL homeopathy? Noone can even define it in the first place.
Get 100 homeopaths in one room and they will all argue.
If a patient sees 100 homeopaths on the same day, they will get 100 different answers.
GET REAL!!!
Pat2006 last decade
To Hahnemania
Thank you for replying to my post to which I must admit I was rather disappointed that no one had replied till you did. This excludes Pat's post directly above mine as I wrote this post out on a word processor as I have not got used to composing it on the limited space permitted on the reply cage which is allowed on the ABC.
It is my hope that other classical homeopaths too will join in the debate as I believe that it is by this means that Homeopathy can rise to greater heights through the frank exchange of our respective viewpoints.
I note that you are another of the classical school of homeopathy to whom all the tenets of your training are sacred. I do not have any quarrel with your views but what I wish to emphasize is that I have discovered that the majority of homeopaths in general practice in our part of the world and especially those who see over 25 patients daily cannot possibly use the classical system that you and others who are qualified in homeopathy use to 'cure' your patients. You will no doubt realize that the long case taking process which takes at least an hour to conclude will make it quite impossible for the large majority of homeopaths to even attempt to prescribe in a classical manner. I am aware that the majority of homeopaths in Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan see over 50 patients on a daily basis and you will no doubt realize that none of them, however qualified they are, can possibly prescribe in the classical manner. Classical prescribing cannot in my opinion be done on a forum such as the ABC and it is only with the patient seated in one's office that the classical prescription can be done. I also feel that without the benefit of Homeopathic software like Radar, which I too use occasionally, it is usually not possible for the mind of the homeopath alone to evaluate the many hundreds of remedies to fit the 'picture' of the ailment without the benefit of this software as the human mind is not able to evaluate the many facets of the match between the ailment indicated by the patient and the remedy which has to be selected from the thousands that are now available.
I am gratified to note that you have read many of my posts on this and other forums and I would like to emphasize that I have adopted my present attitude of prescribing after having studied the method adopted by the classical homeopaths with whom I have been in close contact especially those who were here immediately after the Tsunami when we had about 10 of whom Dr Luc de Schepper was the most famous and I owe to him my conversion to using the wet dose from the usual dry dose pellets of the remedy that I, in common with the majority of homeopaths throughout the world use.
I must admit to some surprise that you state that:
'I have read many of your posts, both here and on other forums, and I would argue that the disspaearance of symptoms seen under your mode of application is merely supressive, not curative at all. It also explains why you are met with scorn on other forums. '
As far as I am concerned, I am quite happy with the relatively high rate of success that has followed my advice to patients on the remedies that I have prescribed and it is strange that in spite of your fear that they have been suppressive and not curative, the patients are in my opinion the best reference to the efficacy of the remedy that I have prescribed in comparison to the remedies that classical homeopathy have prescribed on the same thread. You are advised to visit just one thread that may open your eyes to the relative effect of the classical versus my own non classical remedy:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/55717/.
As for your observation that I am 'met with scorn' on other forums I really wonder if the real reason is because I invariably rock their precious homeopathic boat too much as a result of which 2 forums that used to welcome me with open arms have decided that enough was enough and do not welcome me any more. I must admit that I did try to abide by their tenets but I discovered that in doing so I was going against my conscience and I do not visit them any more.
You state that you have practised REAL homeopathy for 12 years and I am happy for you that your 'real' classical method has only been defeated once. This rate of success is somewhat equal to mine and the difference is that I do not have a large practice perhaps like you, whom I presume are a professional homeopath. Practicing this science to me is only a hobby and I do enjoy helping patients who see me to be relieved of their ailments and as you are aware I also help them on the Forums in a manner that is rather time consuming but very satisfying to me and the patients who seem to want me to help them in preference to the classical homeopaths who are also on these forums. I am glad that you have joined the ABC today and have over 10 posts to your credit already and I hope that you will continue to be present on it as you can take some of the burden of the work on your own shoulders away from me. I hope you will remember that I am not inclined to be critical of your classical attitude personally, as we are both in homeopathy to help in the alleviation of disease which as you may not know I do free of all charge here in Sri Lanka.
It is not the method used that counts but it is the satisfaction of helping a patient to overcome his ailment that does. My remarks were addressed to the fraternity of classical homeopaths who like to pretend that in using their classical homeopathy they can cure more ailments than I can with my non classical approach to Homeopathy which strangely enough has worked as can be verified from the posts that I have made on the ABC for the last 3 years which I noticed now number 4136 to date.
I hope that you will read my last post carefully as I have clearly put my cards on the table which is what many others would not dare to do and I feel confident that even though you may be critical of my non classical method of prescribing, the fact that my prescriptions are able to help those who post may perhaps be an eye opener to you and other classically trained homeopaths that there is more to helping a patient who seeks a cure for his ailment in the shortest possible time, than engaging in petty bickering as to which method is better, the classical or the non classical.
Thank you for replying to my post to which I must admit I was rather disappointed that no one had replied till you did. This excludes Pat's post directly above mine as I wrote this post out on a word processor as I have not got used to composing it on the limited space permitted on the reply cage which is allowed on the ABC.
It is my hope that other classical homeopaths too will join in the debate as I believe that it is by this means that Homeopathy can rise to greater heights through the frank exchange of our respective viewpoints.
I note that you are another of the classical school of homeopathy to whom all the tenets of your training are sacred. I do not have any quarrel with your views but what I wish to emphasize is that I have discovered that the majority of homeopaths in general practice in our part of the world and especially those who see over 25 patients daily cannot possibly use the classical system that you and others who are qualified in homeopathy use to 'cure' your patients. You will no doubt realize that the long case taking process which takes at least an hour to conclude will make it quite impossible for the large majority of homeopaths to even attempt to prescribe in a classical manner. I am aware that the majority of homeopaths in Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan see over 50 patients on a daily basis and you will no doubt realize that none of them, however qualified they are, can possibly prescribe in the classical manner. Classical prescribing cannot in my opinion be done on a forum such as the ABC and it is only with the patient seated in one's office that the classical prescription can be done. I also feel that without the benefit of Homeopathic software like Radar, which I too use occasionally, it is usually not possible for the mind of the homeopath alone to evaluate the many hundreds of remedies to fit the 'picture' of the ailment without the benefit of this software as the human mind is not able to evaluate the many facets of the match between the ailment indicated by the patient and the remedy which has to be selected from the thousands that are now available.
I am gratified to note that you have read many of my posts on this and other forums and I would like to emphasize that I have adopted my present attitude of prescribing after having studied the method adopted by the classical homeopaths with whom I have been in close contact especially those who were here immediately after the Tsunami when we had about 10 of whom Dr Luc de Schepper was the most famous and I owe to him my conversion to using the wet dose from the usual dry dose pellets of the remedy that I, in common with the majority of homeopaths throughout the world use.
I must admit to some surprise that you state that:
'I have read many of your posts, both here and on other forums, and I would argue that the disspaearance of symptoms seen under your mode of application is merely supressive, not curative at all. It also explains why you are met with scorn on other forums. '
As far as I am concerned, I am quite happy with the relatively high rate of success that has followed my advice to patients on the remedies that I have prescribed and it is strange that in spite of your fear that they have been suppressive and not curative, the patients are in my opinion the best reference to the efficacy of the remedy that I have prescribed in comparison to the remedies that classical homeopathy have prescribed on the same thread. You are advised to visit just one thread that may open your eyes to the relative effect of the classical versus my own non classical remedy:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/55717/.
As for your observation that I am 'met with scorn' on other forums I really wonder if the real reason is because I invariably rock their precious homeopathic boat too much as a result of which 2 forums that used to welcome me with open arms have decided that enough was enough and do not welcome me any more. I must admit that I did try to abide by their tenets but I discovered that in doing so I was going against my conscience and I do not visit them any more.
You state that you have practised REAL homeopathy for 12 years and I am happy for you that your 'real' classical method has only been defeated once. This rate of success is somewhat equal to mine and the difference is that I do not have a large practice perhaps like you, whom I presume are a professional homeopath. Practicing this science to me is only a hobby and I do enjoy helping patients who see me to be relieved of their ailments and as you are aware I also help them on the Forums in a manner that is rather time consuming but very satisfying to me and the patients who seem to want me to help them in preference to the classical homeopaths who are also on these forums. I am glad that you have joined the ABC today and have over 10 posts to your credit already and I hope that you will continue to be present on it as you can take some of the burden of the work on your own shoulders away from me. I hope you will remember that I am not inclined to be critical of your classical attitude personally, as we are both in homeopathy to help in the alleviation of disease which as you may not know I do free of all charge here in Sri Lanka.
It is not the method used that counts but it is the satisfaction of helping a patient to overcome his ailment that does. My remarks were addressed to the fraternity of classical homeopaths who like to pretend that in using their classical homeopathy they can cure more ailments than I can with my non classical approach to Homeopathy which strangely enough has worked as can be verified from the posts that I have made on the ABC for the last 3 years which I noticed now number 4136 to date.
I hope that you will read my last post carefully as I have clearly put my cards on the table which is what many others would not dare to do and I feel confident that even though you may be critical of my non classical method of prescribing, the fact that my prescriptions are able to help those who post may perhaps be an eye opener to you and other classically trained homeopaths that there is more to helping a patient who seeks a cure for his ailment in the shortest possible time, than engaging in petty bickering as to which method is better, the classical or the non classical.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe,
I wud just like to comment on only one part of your post reg. homeopaths in India ..'not spending much time on patients'.
This is a wrong impression you are conveying....may I inform everyone here.... that in India there are many homeopaths who spend more than 30 to 45 minutes for each patient....and have very good practice.
Some sensible ones ask new cases to come in the morning with proper appointment (coz in morning there are less patients) and then they spend more than an hour or more noting down the full details of their case.
There are other homeopaths who have a junior doctor along with them ...the junior takes down a complete case history and then the patient and the history are taken to the senior doctor for examination.
In homeopathy there are no short cuts.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
I wud just like to comment on only one part of your post reg. homeopaths in India ..'not spending much time on patients'.
This is a wrong impression you are conveying....may I inform everyone here.... that in India there are many homeopaths who spend more than 30 to 45 minutes for each patient....and have very good practice.
Some sensible ones ask new cases to come in the morning with proper appointment (coz in morning there are less patients) and then they spend more than an hour or more noting down the full details of their case.
There are other homeopaths who have a junior doctor along with them ...the junior takes down a complete case history and then the patient and the history are taken to the senior doctor for examination.
In homeopathy there are no short cuts.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
Thank you for your clarification about the time that Indian homeopaths spend on their patients. I agree with you that there are many homeopaths who devote even more than 30 to 45 minutes per consultation but you may not have noted that I was only referring to the majority of homeopaths who see a multitude of patients.
I copy my statement below:
'I am aware that the majority of homeopaths in Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan see over 50 patients on a daily basis and you will no doubt realize that none of them, however qualified they are, can possibly prescribe in the classical manner.'
I would welcome your comments on my posts above on Classical versus Non Classical Homeopathy above and hope that you will also contribute to the ongoing debate.
Joe
Thank you for your clarification about the time that Indian homeopaths spend on their patients. I agree with you that there are many homeopaths who devote even more than 30 to 45 minutes per consultation but you may not have noted that I was only referring to the majority of homeopaths who see a multitude of patients.
I copy my statement below:
'I am aware that the majority of homeopaths in Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan see over 50 patients on a daily basis and you will no doubt realize that none of them, however qualified they are, can possibly prescribe in the classical manner.'
I would welcome your comments on my posts above on Classical versus Non Classical Homeopathy above and hope that you will also contribute to the ongoing debate.
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe,
In India homeopathy has taken deep roots...and there are many Institutes imparting homopathic education. By and large homeopathic doctors are following good practices.
It would be wrong to say that majority of them do not do a concentious job.
One reason why the world's best homeopathic medicine companies have set up manufacturing plants here.
I would say only a minor (not majority) percentage of doctors would be defaulters in this area.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
In India homeopathy has taken deep roots...and there are many Institutes imparting homopathic education. By and large homeopathic doctors are following good practices.
It would be wrong to say that majority of them do not do a concentious job.
One reason why the world's best homeopathic medicine companies have set up manufacturing plants here.
I would say only a minor (not majority) percentage of doctors would be defaulters in this area.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
But dear Joe,
I must share with you:
There used to be a guy in Mumbai who used to keep 8 important polycrests in his clinic..numbered 1 to 8.
To the first patient who came in...he gave No 1
To the second patient he gave ....No 2
To the third... No 3....
and so on.
After No 8 he repeated the cycle.
It was interesting to note that he had a fairly respectable practice.
Whether it is a compliment to the guy or to homeopathy...I am still trying to figure out even after 10 years of knowing his secret.
But that guy belongs to the rarest of the rare species.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
I must share with you:
There used to be a guy in Mumbai who used to keep 8 important polycrests in his clinic..numbered 1 to 8.
To the first patient who came in...he gave No 1
To the second patient he gave ....No 2
To the third... No 3....
and so on.
After No 8 he repeated the cycle.
It was interesting to note that he had a fairly respectable practice.
Whether it is a compliment to the guy or to homeopathy...I am still trying to figure out even after 10 years of knowing his secret.
But that guy belongs to the rarest of the rare species.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Hahnemania
I totally agree with you, there is no other way to practice but the 'Classical way', what people like Joe are practising is not homeopathy but something else. I did an analysis of one of Mr Joe's claim on controlling obesity, and this is my analysis extracted from this forum, please take time to read it and you will find out that most of his claims are not backed up by proper facts. Below i am quoting my analysis
''''Joe
I have been reading the thread titled Weight Reduction with Nat Phos 6X Latest News, which was started by you on 10th June2005, has been read 3796 times and contains 58 replies. The following is the breakdown of these replies.
Replies related to Nat Phos, patients/doctors never came back with any feedback
(1) Neeru Thakur, 1st post on 25/7/05,
(1) angie_C , 1st post on 31/7/05,
(1) jatin9 , 1st post on 2/8/05,
(5) belciuge , 1st postt on 14/8/05,
(1) rg_us , 1st post on 7/10/05,
(1) drprabhatlkw , 1st post on 28/10/05,
(4) cruthbh , 1st post on 14/8/05, responded that her weight has stabilized ( not increasing anymore)
(1) freenmaddie , 1st post on 2/8/06
Replies not related to Nat Phos, patient came back with negative feed backs.
(3) Karishma , 1st post on 11/10/05
Replies not related to Nat Phos
(9) sthillaiyah
(3) libra
(1) pat2006
Criticism on Joe
(2) Nisha_India
(4) saltofearth
Replies by Joe
(21) Joe
Number is brackets indicate number of posts written by that person
As you can see from the above analysis, out of the 9 patients who used Nat Phos, only one reported a stability in her weight, one responded very negatively, six never came back, and one didnt talk about Nat phos ever again, which can lead anyone to believe that your post does not give a clear indication, that Nat Phos is responsible for weight loss (something which the classical homeopaths have failed to mention as well)
Down below I will copy the posts by Karishma and Joe for all those surfing this forum, and draw their own conclusion about Nat Phos.
Karishma 11/10/05
Joe,I started taking Nat phos 6x, 9days before and I take 2 tablets after breakfast, lunch and dinner. In addition to it I have stopped eating rice, chapati and sugar completly and walking regularly but I am so sorry to say that there is no change in my weight and in addition to that I feel so full and heavy all the time while lunch and dinner is just soup and salad.
Am I doing something wrong. I take two tablets within 5 mins of my finshing food.
Karishma 12/10/05
Joe, I never felt this full & heavy feeling before but one way it is good that it is keeping my craving to eat sugar away.
This is not the first time I have tried loosing weight and i was never succesful. One time in my yearly checkup my thyroid came low and in extensive tests it came normal. The only reason I could think is that I have low thyroid and that's why I dont loose weight while put on weight so easily. My energy level in general is very low and i get tired and irritated very soon, sometimes my hair start falling for months and skin color is little pale.
Can you suggest me something to improve my thyroid if there is no side effect of it. I have heard of kelp suppliment should I give it a try in addition to whatever I am trying?
Please help.
Joe 12/10/05
Thank you for informing me about your thyroid problem. It is obvious that this is the real cause of your weight problem and I regret that I cannot help you with homeopathic treatment as I have no experience in this regard.
I hope that other more experienced Homeopaths can help you.
Karishma 27/10/05
Joe, I tried taking Nat phos6x for 15 days and could not reduce me weight. Today I was reading bad effects of artificial sweetner under Carbonated Beverages/Artificial Sweeteners
and realized that I am taking 'EQUAL' for more than a year and use it three times a day for my 3 cups of tea. Could this be a culprit?
I love drinking tea but can not without sugar and dont want to eat sugar as well, which sweetner is safe?
Thanks
'''''''
regards
sazim
I totally agree with you, there is no other way to practice but the 'Classical way', what people like Joe are practising is not homeopathy but something else. I did an analysis of one of Mr Joe's claim on controlling obesity, and this is my analysis extracted from this forum, please take time to read it and you will find out that most of his claims are not backed up by proper facts. Below i am quoting my analysis
''''Joe
I have been reading the thread titled Weight Reduction with Nat Phos 6X Latest News, which was started by you on 10th June2005, has been read 3796 times and contains 58 replies. The following is the breakdown of these replies.
Replies related to Nat Phos, patients/doctors never came back with any feedback
(1) Neeru Thakur, 1st post on 25/7/05,
(1) angie_C , 1st post on 31/7/05,
(1) jatin9 , 1st post on 2/8/05,
(5) belciuge , 1st postt on 14/8/05,
(1) rg_us , 1st post on 7/10/05,
(1) drprabhatlkw , 1st post on 28/10/05,
(4) cruthbh , 1st post on 14/8/05, responded that her weight has stabilized ( not increasing anymore)
(1) freenmaddie , 1st post on 2/8/06
Replies not related to Nat Phos, patient came back with negative feed backs.
(3) Karishma , 1st post on 11/10/05
Replies not related to Nat Phos
(9) sthillaiyah
(3) libra
(1) pat2006
Criticism on Joe
(2) Nisha_India
(4) saltofearth
Replies by Joe
(21) Joe
Number is brackets indicate number of posts written by that person
As you can see from the above analysis, out of the 9 patients who used Nat Phos, only one reported a stability in her weight, one responded very negatively, six never came back, and one didnt talk about Nat phos ever again, which can lead anyone to believe that your post does not give a clear indication, that Nat Phos is responsible for weight loss (something which the classical homeopaths have failed to mention as well)
Down below I will copy the posts by Karishma and Joe for all those surfing this forum, and draw their own conclusion about Nat Phos.
Karishma 11/10/05
Joe,I started taking Nat phos 6x, 9days before and I take 2 tablets after breakfast, lunch and dinner. In addition to it I have stopped eating rice, chapati and sugar completly and walking regularly but I am so sorry to say that there is no change in my weight and in addition to that I feel so full and heavy all the time while lunch and dinner is just soup and salad.
Am I doing something wrong. I take two tablets within 5 mins of my finshing food.
Karishma 12/10/05
Joe, I never felt this full & heavy feeling before but one way it is good that it is keeping my craving to eat sugar away.
This is not the first time I have tried loosing weight and i was never succesful. One time in my yearly checkup my thyroid came low and in extensive tests it came normal. The only reason I could think is that I have low thyroid and that's why I dont loose weight while put on weight so easily. My energy level in general is very low and i get tired and irritated very soon, sometimes my hair start falling for months and skin color is little pale.
Can you suggest me something to improve my thyroid if there is no side effect of it. I have heard of kelp suppliment should I give it a try in addition to whatever I am trying?
Please help.
Joe 12/10/05
Thank you for informing me about your thyroid problem. It is obvious that this is the real cause of your weight problem and I regret that I cannot help you with homeopathic treatment as I have no experience in this regard.
I hope that other more experienced Homeopaths can help you.
Karishma 27/10/05
Joe, I tried taking Nat phos6x for 15 days and could not reduce me weight. Today I was reading bad effects of artificial sweetner under Carbonated Beverages/Artificial Sweeteners
and realized that I am taking 'EQUAL' for more than a year and use it three times a day for my 3 cups of tea. Could this be a culprit?
I love drinking tea but can not without sugar and dont want to eat sugar as well, which sweetner is safe?
Thanks
'''''''
regards
sazim
sazim last decade
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(3) Karishma , 1st post on 11/10/05 '
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'Replies related to Nat Phos, patient came back with negative feed backs.
(3) Karishma , 1st post on 11/10/05 '
sazim
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'Replies not related to Nat Phos, patient came back with negative feed backs.
(3) Karishma , 1st post on 11/10/05 '
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'Replies related to Nat Phos, patient came back with negative feed backs.
(3) Karishma , 1st post on 11/10/05 '
sazim
sazim last decade
Pankaj
Great Post!!
I agree that any remedy can work on anyone without requiring a lengthy interview with the patient or without the none sense of 'matching' symptoms.
And this homeopath obviously proved it by his system.
Too many dishonest people in the world who keep people in the dark about how they truley treat their patients.
Thanks again for the great post above about this homeopath who has proved my point as well.
Great Post!!
I agree that any remedy can work on anyone without requiring a lengthy interview with the patient or without the none sense of 'matching' symptoms.
And this homeopath obviously proved it by his system.
Too many dishonest people in the world who keep people in the dark about how they truley treat their patients.
Thanks again for the great post above about this homeopath who has proved my point as well.
Pat2006 last decade
Pat2006 last decade
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Pat2006 last decade
Well, I found this quite interesting and I'm glad I came across it.
I am not a homeopathic doctor and homeopathy was introduced to me about 2 1/2 years ago by my very ill dog's homeopathic vet. I first dealt with Joe DeLivera and can't say i haven't found success as of yet. My cystic acne is better than it's been in quite sometime on arnica 30c wet dose, although i'm dealing with several other issues as well.
I bring up the homeopathic vet because of something she has said to me.
I went to her, thanking her for helping my dog and helping me to become aware of this wonderful form of medicine. What she said, in the best way that i can remember and in my own words, was something like:
Homeopathy is a constant learning experience. People who choose homeopathy and doctors who use it will forever learn something new. The whole idea behind homeopathy is keeping an open mind to the endless possibilities that are constantly before us, thus taking a ride on this train of information and success stories to better serve ourselves and /or patients. To learn to treat ourselves and our pets and do more from home rather than paying extaordinary allopathic vet bills and/or the constant need of a homeopathic vet.
We all have the potential to learn to understand how it works in comparison to the allopaths and their failures.
I don't want to quote her 100% as that would not be fair. But to put it into one sentence, what struck me, was that she was open heartedly admitting that she's also learning and can also make mistakes and keeping an open mind is how we discover and make the right choices and decisions.
I'd like to add that she truly believes in people across the planet becoming aware and making better health decisions for themselves and their families.
She has spent allot of money and time traveling across the world to learn about homeopathy, mostly veterinarians of course. Her persistence in creating awareness is wonderful. She has now started a brand new site with an opening 18 minute movie that is the 1st in a series she's creating on homeopathy for veterinarians, etc. I love her for her genuine compassion and she has saved my dog with her ozone treatments and remedies and no pharmaceuticals. As a matter of fact, she has saved me as well.
If any of you are interested in learning about her or watching her progress, the site is called drdomore.com and It's worth it to go watch her quick movie. I can't wait until her next in the series as she is still collecting funds to produce.
If anybody checks her movie out, would you kindly respond to me and let me know what you think?
I am not a homeopathic doctor and homeopathy was introduced to me about 2 1/2 years ago by my very ill dog's homeopathic vet. I first dealt with Joe DeLivera and can't say i haven't found success as of yet. My cystic acne is better than it's been in quite sometime on arnica 30c wet dose, although i'm dealing with several other issues as well.
I bring up the homeopathic vet because of something she has said to me.
I went to her, thanking her for helping my dog and helping me to become aware of this wonderful form of medicine. What she said, in the best way that i can remember and in my own words, was something like:
Homeopathy is a constant learning experience. People who choose homeopathy and doctors who use it will forever learn something new. The whole idea behind homeopathy is keeping an open mind to the endless possibilities that are constantly before us, thus taking a ride on this train of information and success stories to better serve ourselves and /or patients. To learn to treat ourselves and our pets and do more from home rather than paying extaordinary allopathic vet bills and/or the constant need of a homeopathic vet.
We all have the potential to learn to understand how it works in comparison to the allopaths and their failures.
I don't want to quote her 100% as that would not be fair. But to put it into one sentence, what struck me, was that she was open heartedly admitting that she's also learning and can also make mistakes and keeping an open mind is how we discover and make the right choices and decisions.
I'd like to add that she truly believes in people across the planet becoming aware and making better health decisions for themselves and their families.
She has spent allot of money and time traveling across the world to learn about homeopathy, mostly veterinarians of course. Her persistence in creating awareness is wonderful. She has now started a brand new site with an opening 18 minute movie that is the 1st in a series she's creating on homeopathy for veterinarians, etc. I love her for her genuine compassion and she has saved my dog with her ozone treatments and remedies and no pharmaceuticals. As a matter of fact, she has saved me as well.
If any of you are interested in learning about her or watching her progress, the site is called drdomore.com and It's worth it to go watch her quick movie. I can't wait until her next in the series as she is still collecting funds to produce.
If anybody checks her movie out, would you kindly respond to me and let me know what you think?
lily white last decade
One thing that I forgot to add in the comment i posted above was this:
I really do believe that a true homeopathic doctor is one with honest, genuine and compassionate belief in helping to heal others. One who really sees the significance in sharing their insight, successes and failures and who finds great happiness in seeing people well, healed and happy.
From what I've learned thus far, Joe DeLivera is one of these and yes there are many more of you, but I mention Joe as this is his post. He is true to his ability to help and continue to learn.
Thank you Joe and the many others that are making my life better each day. You all think outside the box and together have great capacity to lead the world in a different direction. I'm very hopeful in the future progress of homeopathy and the like.
Give yourselves a big pat on the back and get back to work.
I really do believe that a true homeopathic doctor is one with honest, genuine and compassionate belief in helping to heal others. One who really sees the significance in sharing their insight, successes and failures and who finds great happiness in seeing people well, healed and happy.
From what I've learned thus far, Joe DeLivera is one of these and yes there are many more of you, but I mention Joe as this is his post. He is true to his ability to help and continue to learn.
Thank you Joe and the many others that are making my life better each day. You all think outside the box and together have great capacity to lead the world in a different direction. I'm very hopeful in the future progress of homeopathy and the like.
Give yourselves a big pat on the back and get back to work.
lily white last decade
To Lily
Thank you for your kind references to me and the methods that I have used to help those who post on the ABC and other forums that I visit and also those who meet me at home here in Colombo to discuss problems pertaining to their health.
You would be now have discovered that my therapy is based on the use of Homeopathic remedies which I prefer to use in a non homeopathic manner which has drawn the ire of many classical and even pseudo classical types like the one immediately above your first post. He is a patient with a history of some Thyroid problem and seems to have a lot of time on his hands as he just delights in collecting the list of so called failures in my therapy. I am sure he realizes that if he were to collect the list of successeses that I have in helping patients it may take a few pages of the ABC, but he just prefers to keep on at it whenever he posts on the ABC. I believe that his Thyroid condition is getting worse by the day as it is rarely that he has spent so much time as he has done on this thread and I hope that he reads this post and takes action to treat his disease which seems to be increasing day by day.
I have always been open minded in my approach to Homeopathy and I believe that I have been able to help those who contact me in a manner that is different in many ways from the standard classical treatment that one would get if you consult a classical homeopath. I hope that you have read the opening post on this thread as it contains my philosophy in the use of remedies for ailments that are not listed in the classical texts which as you know were written about 150 years ago. The classical school prefer to operate within the narrow boundaries dictated by their own studies and I believe that the real reason why I have consistently refused to abide by this same classical philosophy is because I have not been subjected to this brainwashing process where the student is warned that my direct approach towards curing a patient can only result in the disease being driven deeper into the system thereby making it more difficult for a classical cure. I have been in homeopathy for the last 30 years and cannot honestly think of a single case which can illustrate the classical theory.
My response to this fallacy is to inquire whether the interest of the patient comes first or in the alternative is it the theory behind the remedy that matters which usually the classical homeopath starts with a 'consitutional remedy' which usually has no bearing on the ailment for which the patient seeks assistance. It is just this convoluted process of thought that I seek to change and I hope that I will succeed in so doing in my lifetime at least in some way by opening the minds of the classical homeopaths to the possibilities that exist in forgetting their classical instincts and thereby healing their patients in a very short time as you may have noticed, I have been doing, if you spend some time in following up the cases of patients who have been cured by my 'joepathy'.
It is unfortunate that some homeopaths still prefer to deride me because of my forthright attitude and it is my hope that they will open their eyes and for a start stop their barrage of criticism which is so unnecessary and use the same therapy that I have been using especially in the case of ailments like Asthma, Eczema, Fistula and also study my successes in the use of Arnica which they can do by doing a search for the posts that I have made under this title.
Thank you for your kind references to me and the methods that I have used to help those who post on the ABC and other forums that I visit and also those who meet me at home here in Colombo to discuss problems pertaining to their health.
You would be now have discovered that my therapy is based on the use of Homeopathic remedies which I prefer to use in a non homeopathic manner which has drawn the ire of many classical and even pseudo classical types like the one immediately above your first post. He is a patient with a history of some Thyroid problem and seems to have a lot of time on his hands as he just delights in collecting the list of so called failures in my therapy. I am sure he realizes that if he were to collect the list of successeses that I have in helping patients it may take a few pages of the ABC, but he just prefers to keep on at it whenever he posts on the ABC. I believe that his Thyroid condition is getting worse by the day as it is rarely that he has spent so much time as he has done on this thread and I hope that he reads this post and takes action to treat his disease which seems to be increasing day by day.
I have always been open minded in my approach to Homeopathy and I believe that I have been able to help those who contact me in a manner that is different in many ways from the standard classical treatment that one would get if you consult a classical homeopath. I hope that you have read the opening post on this thread as it contains my philosophy in the use of remedies for ailments that are not listed in the classical texts which as you know were written about 150 years ago. The classical school prefer to operate within the narrow boundaries dictated by their own studies and I believe that the real reason why I have consistently refused to abide by this same classical philosophy is because I have not been subjected to this brainwashing process where the student is warned that my direct approach towards curing a patient can only result in the disease being driven deeper into the system thereby making it more difficult for a classical cure. I have been in homeopathy for the last 30 years and cannot honestly think of a single case which can illustrate the classical theory.
My response to this fallacy is to inquire whether the interest of the patient comes first or in the alternative is it the theory behind the remedy that matters which usually the classical homeopath starts with a 'consitutional remedy' which usually has no bearing on the ailment for which the patient seeks assistance. It is just this convoluted process of thought that I seek to change and I hope that I will succeed in so doing in my lifetime at least in some way by opening the minds of the classical homeopaths to the possibilities that exist in forgetting their classical instincts and thereby healing their patients in a very short time as you may have noticed, I have been doing, if you spend some time in following up the cases of patients who have been cured by my 'joepathy'.
It is unfortunate that some homeopaths still prefer to deride me because of my forthright attitude and it is my hope that they will open their eyes and for a start stop their barrage of criticism which is so unnecessary and use the same therapy that I have been using especially in the case of ailments like Asthma, Eczema, Fistula and also study my successes in the use of Arnica which they can do by doing a search for the posts that I have made under this title.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Well thank you Joe, I'm learning more and more every day. I do have some things going on with myself and my sons and I'm trying to figure things out to the best of my ability. As I'm sure you know, it can get very confusing at times and I want to make progress and try to avoid mistakes.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to tell you what I've been up to, but I don't want to post it all here and disrupt the reason for this thread.
I will say that I went to homeopathyandmore and liked what I saw there also. I checked out the bach flower remedies and was impressed with the information given so far, as I can tell the site is new and still in progress.
I've really become desperate to help my 4 year old that I know has been affected by his vaccinations. Walkin has been a grand help to me on this subject.
I'm quite angry at the medical and pharmaceutical industries, as they've hurt and continue to hurt the ones that I love. I do not take pharmaceuticals, but have in the past. They've just always worried me and I could never understand why their medicines had such harmful side effects. Although I've been aware for many years that something was not right with allopathic medicine, I just never had the finances to look elsewhere.
It's funny how our health insurance will spend such abundant amounts of money on our visits and medications, yet won't give us the choice for alternative medicine, so we have to dig deep into our pockets to have some purity, and sanity I might add.
I was thrilled to find this site, because the homeopathic doctor that my older son and I were seeing just got to be too expensive and I could not continue with him. So here I am, trying to find the right remedy and continuing with your arnica 30c for my cystic acne. It has helped Joe, but I've also started a regimen of cleansing parasites and heavy metals, which I'm sure is part of mine and my sons problems.
Well enough about that, if you think you may be able to help me and the boys, let me know and I'll give you a list of the things I've been doing and the ideas that I've been pursuing.
Thanks again Joe, you've made me realize that I have hope, my skin is the proof.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to tell you what I've been up to, but I don't want to post it all here and disrupt the reason for this thread.
I will say that I went to homeopathyandmore and liked what I saw there also. I checked out the bach flower remedies and was impressed with the information given so far, as I can tell the site is new and still in progress.
I've really become desperate to help my 4 year old that I know has been affected by his vaccinations. Walkin has been a grand help to me on this subject.
I'm quite angry at the medical and pharmaceutical industries, as they've hurt and continue to hurt the ones that I love. I do not take pharmaceuticals, but have in the past. They've just always worried me and I could never understand why their medicines had such harmful side effects. Although I've been aware for many years that something was not right with allopathic medicine, I just never had the finances to look elsewhere.
It's funny how our health insurance will spend such abundant amounts of money on our visits and medications, yet won't give us the choice for alternative medicine, so we have to dig deep into our pockets to have some purity, and sanity I might add.
I was thrilled to find this site, because the homeopathic doctor that my older son and I were seeing just got to be too expensive and I could not continue with him. So here I am, trying to find the right remedy and continuing with your arnica 30c for my cystic acne. It has helped Joe, but I've also started a regimen of cleansing parasites and heavy metals, which I'm sure is part of mine and my sons problems.
Well enough about that, if you think you may be able to help me and the boys, let me know and I'll give you a list of the things I've been doing and the ideas that I've been pursuing.
Thanks again Joe, you've made me realize that I have hope, my skin is the proof.
lily white last decade
May I suggest that you post your problems on another thread as this would enable other too to join me in helping you and your son.
You may like to know that I have scored another Bull's eye with Arnica in curing a bleeding cyst in the vocal chords of a patient who was due for surgery but fortunately escaped the knife which could have resulted in inability to speak for the rest of his life because the daughter posted her father's problem on this forum and I was inspired to recommend my default remedy Arnica which cured him in just 11 days.
I cannot help remarking that if this problem was treated by a classical homeopath there was absolutely no chance of this same remedy being prescribed and the usual contstitutional remedy that would invariably have been prescribed would have only prolonged the patients agony which would inevitably have lead to surgery due to the bleeding which medicine could not stop.
You can read about it on Vocal cord cyst help on:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/79686/
You may like to know that I have scored another Bull's eye with Arnica in curing a bleeding cyst in the vocal chords of a patient who was due for surgery but fortunately escaped the knife which could have resulted in inability to speak for the rest of his life because the daughter posted her father's problem on this forum and I was inspired to recommend my default remedy Arnica which cured him in just 11 days.
I cannot help remarking that if this problem was treated by a classical homeopath there was absolutely no chance of this same remedy being prescribed and the usual contstitutional remedy that would invariably have been prescribed would have only prolonged the patients agony which would inevitably have lead to surgery due to the bleeding which medicine could not stop.
You can read about it on Vocal cord cyst help on:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/79686/
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Wow Joe, that's good news. I bet you've made him a believer.
It's late now and I'll start a new post tomorrow if I'm able, I may have to wait until Saturday as I'm very busy and neglecting my sleep.
Thanks for your quick responses, I'll note your name on the new post, probably something with ADHD/Autism.
Have a good night.
lily
It's late now and I'll start a new post tomorrow if I'm able, I may have to wait until Saturday as I'm very busy and neglecting my sleep.
Thanks for your quick responses, I'll note your name on the new post, probably something with ADHD/Autism.
Have a good night.
lily
lily white last decade
hi joe,
i dont know why it keeps coming up about you not being qualified, a lot of the best doctors in this world started with the real interest in medicine and healing and a lot of people are self taught, as in degree's your really there to take the notes and basically teach yourself, note you're reading and practising homeopathy every day and having a certificate proves nothing if you dont practise, make mistakes and learn and keep on studying, i think its terrible these issues keep coming up, you prescribed me nat phos and arnica wet dose and i have never looked back, i still go to the toilet every day no matter what i eat and my food intolerances, i have been prescribed other remedies by qualified homeopaths that didn't work at all, so i say ya might not be qualified but you listen and pass on the message and it works. and thanks again, you're a gem x
i dont know why it keeps coming up about you not being qualified, a lot of the best doctors in this world started with the real interest in medicine and healing and a lot of people are self taught, as in degree's your really there to take the notes and basically teach yourself, note you're reading and practising homeopathy every day and having a certificate proves nothing if you dont practise, make mistakes and learn and keep on studying, i think its terrible these issues keep coming up, you prescribed me nat phos and arnica wet dose and i have never looked back, i still go to the toilet every day no matter what i eat and my food intolerances, i have been prescribed other remedies by qualified homeopaths that didn't work at all, so i say ya might not be qualified but you listen and pass on the message and it works. and thanks again, you're a gem x
elainesmyth68 last decade
I agree with you Elaine. He may not have a piece of paper on the wall, but he is surely qualified and I trust him 100%. He is kind and obviously well educated. I appreciate the many on here who help people and share their wealth of information.
I liked the homeopathic doctor that I had in my area, but he became much too expensive for me to keep going to. Also, i like the idea of knowing the what to take and the why, that you don't get from a hometown homeopath. I enjoy the self discovery and the ability to make my own decisions.
I liked the homeopathic doctor that I had in my area, but he became much too expensive for me to keep going to. Also, i like the idea of knowing the what to take and the why, that you don't get from a hometown homeopath. I enjoy the self discovery and the ability to make my own decisions.
lily white last decade
To Elaine and Lily
Thank you for your kind thoughts about me and the manner that I use Homeopathic remedies to help patients to overcome their ailments which is somewhat different from the manner that classical homeopaths pretend not to emulate, although they do so privately, especially those who see over 25 patients on a daily basis.
As you may be aware I treat the ailment directly with a remedy that I am confident will help and this has resulted in many cures which leave even me, sometimes dumbfounded. The recent cure of the patient with a bleeding cyst in his vocal cords in just 11 days with Arnica is a case in pont. This case is of academic interest as the patient may have suffered irreparable damage to his vocal cords if he was in surgery.
I feel that it is a shame that these classical types should hound my efforts to help patients as the success or otherwise of my therapy is all there on record on the web on the 3 forums that I visit on a daily basis of which the ABC takes up about 2 hours of my time daily which fortunately I can find the time to devote to the patients here, sometimes late into the night.
The difference that I have with the classical professional homeopaths is that I practise my homeopathy free while they charge for their services and rightfully so. The main difference is that in the event of any failure or aggravation caused by a remedy is in my case recorded openly to the whole world for all to see while any equivalent failure on their part is only known to themselves and the patient. If you have followed this ongoing controversy, you would have noticed that barring a very few cases where some classical types have even on this thread sought to highlight some instances where Nat Phos that I prescribed for weight loss has not worked, the success that seems to follow my efforts to help patients with my own brand of homeopathy has invariably resulted in resounding success.
I too agree that it is not the diploma that matters but the dedication to using a remedy that in some cases I have discovered to be effective in helping the patient to cure his ailment although it is not listed as such in the classical texts.
I can only think that it is this insane jealousy that obtains among the homeopathic fraternity that impels them to single me out for their harsh criticism and is perhaps the reason for homeopathy not moving forward as it rightfully should today.
The fact that I do not subscribe to their own classical views in the treatment of a case but am still able to get the desired cure annoys them even more as they would have loved to point a finger at me and have the last laugh at my using my 'joepathy' to help cure suffering humanity.
I can assure you that I shall carry on regardless and shall count on the support of friends like you to ensure that sanity prevails and I am permitted to help those who post on this and other forums, in peace.
Thank you for your kind thoughts about me and the manner that I use Homeopathic remedies to help patients to overcome their ailments which is somewhat different from the manner that classical homeopaths pretend not to emulate, although they do so privately, especially those who see over 25 patients on a daily basis.
As you may be aware I treat the ailment directly with a remedy that I am confident will help and this has resulted in many cures which leave even me, sometimes dumbfounded. The recent cure of the patient with a bleeding cyst in his vocal cords in just 11 days with Arnica is a case in pont. This case is of academic interest as the patient may have suffered irreparable damage to his vocal cords if he was in surgery.
I feel that it is a shame that these classical types should hound my efforts to help patients as the success or otherwise of my therapy is all there on record on the web on the 3 forums that I visit on a daily basis of which the ABC takes up about 2 hours of my time daily which fortunately I can find the time to devote to the patients here, sometimes late into the night.
The difference that I have with the classical professional homeopaths is that I practise my homeopathy free while they charge for their services and rightfully so. The main difference is that in the event of any failure or aggravation caused by a remedy is in my case recorded openly to the whole world for all to see while any equivalent failure on their part is only known to themselves and the patient. If you have followed this ongoing controversy, you would have noticed that barring a very few cases where some classical types have even on this thread sought to highlight some instances where Nat Phos that I prescribed for weight loss has not worked, the success that seems to follow my efforts to help patients with my own brand of homeopathy has invariably resulted in resounding success.
I too agree that it is not the diploma that matters but the dedication to using a remedy that in some cases I have discovered to be effective in helping the patient to cure his ailment although it is not listed as such in the classical texts.
I can only think that it is this insane jealousy that obtains among the homeopathic fraternity that impels them to single me out for their harsh criticism and is perhaps the reason for homeopathy not moving forward as it rightfully should today.
The fact that I do not subscribe to their own classical views in the treatment of a case but am still able to get the desired cure annoys them even more as they would have loved to point a finger at me and have the last laugh at my using my 'joepathy' to help cure suffering humanity.
I can assure you that I shall carry on regardless and shall count on the support of friends like you to ensure that sanity prevails and I am permitted to help those who post on this and other forums, in peace.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
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