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How I treat my eczema patients.

I have treated several cases of die hard eczema systematically with following method:

If patient lives in temperate and humid place Arnica-30 should be tried and if Arnica-30 fails or patient does not live in temperate and humid place:

Start with:

Petroleum 30
One weekly dose.

If it does not work
Next week one weekly dose of
1. Graphites 30
2. Petroleum 30
Each medicine on separate day.

If still it does not work satisfactory
Next week one weekly dose of
1. Graphites 30
2. Petroleum 30
3. Sulphur 30
Each medicine on separate day.

If still it does not work satisfactory
Next week one weekly dose of
1. Graphites 30
2. Petroleum 30
3. Sulphur 30
4. Alumina 30
Each medicine on separate day.

If still it does not work satisfactory
Next week one weekly dose of
1. Graphites 30
2. Petroleum 30
3. Sulphur 30
4. Alumina 30
5. Sepia 30
Each medicine on separate day.



If still it does not work satisfactory
Next week one weekly dose of
1. Graphites 30
2. Petroleum 30
3. Sulphur 30
4. Alumina 30
5. Sepia 30
6. Psorinum-30
Each medicine on separate day.




The reason for multiple medicines is that a medicine taken may work very slowly and results might be apparent after few weeks time but patient gives up on the medicine and moves along to next line of treatment.
Indeed this happens almost always.

I bet my life that after six weeks, either eczema would be gone or a significant visible permanent improvement would happen. This is the way I am treating my eczema patients these days. (Of course with great success)
 
  kuldeep on 2006-04-14
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
kuldeep, thanks for this post. I believe Petroleum is your first choice to treat eczema.
 
hoolio last decade
Hoolio Tamiano you are welcome. Ofcourse Petroleum is my first choice to treat eczema it works late and slow that's why patients give up on it and move on. That's why I made a practice to try on a patient for several weeks.
 
kuldeep last decade
Thank you Kuldeep for the information.

This is the spirit of sharing that I strive to spread on this and other forums but unfortunately I have, as you know, encountered much criticism when I prescribe a remedy for an ailment by the classical school for not following the standard case taking method of diagnosis, which in many cases fails, as unless this case taking is done on Homeopathic software like Radar, there is no precision attatched to doing so and results in the wrong remedy being prescribed for the ailment.

The method that I use is direct where the remedy is given for the ailment which is usually one that I have had prior experience in using in other cases. It usually works much more satisfactorily that the remedies that are prescribed by the classical homeopaths after their case taking protocol is observed.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
I'm so glad my homeopath took the classical approach to my eczema. It is a very unusual one and took her a while to find it, but it has resolved so many other issues as well because it is my constitutional remedy as well. Before that, everything just suppressed or aggravated it.

How about trying Robin Logan's book, The Homeopathic Treatment of Eczema. It has excellent descriptions specific to eczema of the various remedies and will help you avoid a shotgun approach.
 
Daisy43 last decade
We need a variety of ways to improve our health. If one method doesn't work try another. I personally have not been completely helped by classical homeopathy so now I'm trying the shotgun approach.

I'm sure I'm not the only person who hasn't been helped totally by a consitutional remedy.

Why not try both methods? It can only serve to improve our quality of life.

I'm also not convinced that classical homeopaths aren't doing the shotgun approach themselves. In my experience, it sounds very fishy. I think they are even coming to this website and following in the foot steps of those giving advice here.
 
Pat2006 last decade
Why not give it a try before you nock it.

I'm sure you will like it.
 
Pat2006 last decade
Pat, they aren't "classical" homeopaths if, for a chronic condition like eczema, they are using that approach. It is one thing to first consider amongst those remedies which, statistically, have tended to cover the vast majority of situation to find one that appears to match the patient and the patient's symptoms.

As a former eczema sufferer, I do understand the desire to suppress, especially when nothing else appears to work. If that is the only way you measure quality of life (in other words, if you don't take into account the potential impacts of suppression), then you're right.

I also recognize the extreme shortage in many parts of the world of homeopaths qualified to treat a chronic condition like eczema. Assuming the described cocktail of remedies can work together and do not confuse the vital force, then perhaps it is worth it to those people who have found no relief from their condition. But I don't understand the difficulty of looking at the individual appropriateness of such a short list of remedies.
 
Daisy43 last decade
They are "classical" homeopaths if they got their degree/education in a classical school. And they are classical if they take hours and hours of case, history taking that in my experience can be just a hoax.

I'm not the only one who has had this experience with classical homeopathy.

There are others here who became disillusion with either classical homeopathy or with our classical homeopaths and that is why they came here. Just ask people here.
 
Pat2006 last decade
I'm not discouraging people from using "classical" homeopathy. I just think people should be aware of other options and let each person have the freedom to decide for himself/herself.

In particular, in the case of much older people, I see no reason to use the shotgun technique as the theory of suppressing is not going to apply to them when they won't be alive much longer. And they don't have the time to experiement and maybe not even the money to work with clasical homeopathy to find the correct remedy.

.

Your post is letting people know of the belief of suppression and then people can decide if they want to continue with the straight shot technique any way.


I appreciate your post. I'm always open to being educated and I'm sure others are too.

Thank you.
 
Pat2006 last decade
It is very difficult to cure eczema with classical approach because even if one medicine works totally but late and slowly so patient gives up upon it.

If one medicine works on a person in a certain environment and the person moves in another environment, same medicine fails. Same medicine may not work on different person in same environment and so on.

Even one can’t explain about his/her eczema ex. dry/wet/weeping/oozing/angry/itchy/color or whatever because it changes with time, season and any medicine taken and then it changes its character and even area of affection.

That’s why I have devised this multi-medicine approach especially for remote patients. It is working. It has taken away misery of many children’s and adults alike. I have treated people who lost their faith in homeopathy after paying hefty amount of money to classical homeopaths.
 
kuldeep last decade
Pat, I appreciate these posts as well. In particular, because some of the testimonials lead me to believe that some homeopathic remedies can perhaps be effectively used nonhomeopathically (for instance, sidestepping the "like cures like" analysis and turning instead to formulaic approaches). Much more easily pursued successfully, however, for acute conditions than chronic.

I disagree strongly that someone who is not practicing according to classical theory can be considered a classical homeopath, regardless of their training or diploma.

I agree strongly that we should have the freedom to choose. That includes direct access to all remedies and potencies and making our own decisions.

One thing I would like to know more about is the use of Sulphur. My homeopath warned me against it, said I wasn't the Sulphur type and it would surely aggravate me. However, I understand Hahnneman often used it to start off a case, almost regardless of the condition. That would have led me to believe that Sulphur would have been higher up on kuldeep's list of eczema remedies.
 
Daisy43 last decade
kuldeep, given what my homeopath went through to find my remedy, in person, I can appreciate your trying to devise an alternate approach. Are all of those remedies compatible? Are there some that you skip because of the patient's individuality?
 
Daisy43 last decade
A final question, do you ever use a higher potency than 30C? If you had a better idea of what the indiviudal needed, would you go higher? In other words, is 30C your compromise for not knowing how to more directly treat a particular individual?
 
Daisy43 last decade
Daisy
that is the big question. Just how much time is a "classical" homeopath taking to find the correct remedy. They can easily fake like they are spending a lot of time but we are not there to see just what they are doing.

I recently found an article on Nat Mur which indicated that it is a very commonly recommended remdy for people in the UK by many homeopaths for stress. Really makes me wonder some more.
 
Pat2006 last decade
Pat, it is important to go to a practitioner whom you trust, regardless of their speciality.
 
Daisy43 last decade
This is not a trust issue.

It is a questioning issue.
 
Pat2006 last decade
Really appreciate your posts very much.

Because recently someone I know has shown interest in homeopathy and I will just offer them the options and they can choose for themselves.
 
Pat2006 last decade
As I mentioned above I have invariably been criticized by the classical homeopaths for not following the protocol that they use to elicit the remedy after their case taking protocol. The point to be considered is that with this protocol if the same case is referred to 10 classical homeopaths the chances are that 10 different remedies may be prescribed. This is because the homeopath who uses this method usually identifies a remedy depending on his understanding of how important a facet of the patient's characteristics which can involve the ailment or the causative factors or his mental condition or some other factor which are evaluated in the classical homeopath's mind. Finally after an hour or two a remedy is prescribed which in most cases is not identified to the patient as he is usually given a few pellets in just one dose. The patient then goes home and takes the remedy and as requested by the homeopath, reports his condition in a week or so. Nothing happens as far as the ailment is concerned even in another week and the patient is getting anxious that he is still in the same condition as before and rings up or visits the homeopath who decides that another remedy is called for, that is if the patient is lucky, or is instructed to continue with the remedy and to await results in a further week. In the case of Eczema this waiting period is not critical although any patient would have obviously preferred to have his ailment at least show signs of being alleviated by the remedy.

In the case of more serious ailments like Asthma it may be a matter of some urgency especially in the case of young children or senior citizens and it is obvious that they consult a homeopath as the drugs that they have been using for some time have only served to increase their dependence on them, especially in the Inhalers that are all Steroids based and tablets of other brands of steroids. I would like to refer members to a case of Asthma in a 7 year old boy who has been under the treatment of a classical homeopath for 3 weeks and the remedy that he has prescribed has not helped in any way and may even have contributed to making the ailment worse.

You can read this thread on:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/55717/ ,

You will note that I suggested that the mother used a remedy that I have often used with considerable success for many Asthmatic patients but the mother did not even consider my remedy as for reasons best known to her, she prefers to keep her son on the inhaler and the remedy prescribed by this classical homeopath for 3 weeks with no improvement in his condition. This form of treatment is very unfortunate and it is possible that the poor boy will be made to suffer so very unnecessarily till such time as the classical homeopath decides to suggest some other remedy which I am sure will not be the Nat Sulph 6c in the Split Dose that I prescribed. She obviously is aware that I am not a qualified, classical homeopath and this fact has possibly prejudiced her judgement . The remedy that is now being used is Arsenicum Album (Ars Alb) 200c which I too use but only on a SOS basis and only when the patient is unable to breathe. In this case the boy is dependent on this remedy on a twice nightly basis and this can prove to be dangerous. 2 other remedies were also used but to no avail.

I repeated my prescription a few days ago and the classical homeopath stated:

"i would not advocate the idea of using nat sulph

your son is showing good results with the treatment that we have started, and he will continue to improve.

giving nat sulph 6c for every asthma patient on earth is not homoeopathy. there is something called as indivisualisation, which is the basic principle of this science."


You will observe the haughty attitude that this classical homeopath adopted in his rebuff to me even after he discovered that his best efforts at helping this young asthmatic resulted in failure after 3 weeks of medication on the remedies that he prescribed.

It really breaks my heart to see patients, especially young children being made to suffer so very unnecessarily when help is at hand and the mother has only to use the remedy that I prescribed to verify the result which is usually seen in under a week. If it does not work she will at least have the satisfaction of faulting me. I am concerned that this young boy can suffer from the use of Arsenic twice nightly which can have very serious consequences in his future life. I am also concerned at the lack of humility on the part of the prescriber who has obviously equated himself to the almighty and the poor mother seems mesmerized by the homeopath who does not seem eager any more to help out on a daily basis as he did 3 weeks ago when he first took the case.

So much for "classical" versus "shotgun" homeopathy.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
kuldeep

Thanks for a great post. Really admire people who share their secrets with others. Feel so honored to be in the presence of such great souls.
 
Pat2006 last decade
Two questions are asked and both are relevant to this post:

1. do you ever use a higher potency than 30C?
2. Are all of those remedies compatible? Are there some that you skip because of the patient's individuality?

Joe’s reply prompted me to consider a third question:

3. Why homeopathy failed in USA

Q: Do I ever use a higher potency than 30C?

A: Yes and always. But I always I buy 30C potency because it is pretty standard and reliable in homeopathy. From 30C I make higher potency by Joe’s mentioned split dose method. Up to 30C is trustworthy but above it depends upon manufacturer’s way of potentizing etc.

So I recommend all patients especially eczema patients to buy all above mentioned remedies and make split dose of all remedies in mineral water. As they see improvements in their symptoms they should further dilute those bottles by adding pure mineral water.

Q: Are all of those remedies compatible? Are there some that you skip because of the patient's individuality?

A: All remedies are compatible. Sulphur, Graphites and Sepia are three famous constitutional remedies, yes I missed Arsenum Album. If one see no improvement even after 6 weeks one can add this but so far it has not happened.

Q: Why homeopathy failed in USA

A: People want value for their money and homeopaths charge hefty sum of money for consultation and usually medicine fails. In homeopathy if one is lucky first medicine works or otherwise tenth works. Patient’s faith is broken on just first visit to classical homeopath. Internet is full of stories that patients didn’t get results for their hard earned money so they never visit another homeopath.
 
kuldeep last decade
If all above mentioned medicines are ordered from this website, this eczema treatment course should not cost above $50.00 USD

I highly recommend people to make split dose this way their medicine would last forever and results would be better too because instead of taking few pallets of 30c remedy they would be taking a spoonful of medicine of about 32c and in subsequent dilution potency would be going higher.
 
kuldeep last decade
Hello Kuldeep
I believe this is the first time I have read of using mineral water to dissolve the pellets. Do you emphasize this in the case of eczema and not necessarily in the treatment of other ailments?

I have only used filtered water which I purchase at a large filtering machine.

Do you think I would notice a difference if I used mineral water instead?

Thank you
 
Pat2006 last decade
I have always used spring water which is water that is pumped up from deep bore wells which are usually about 200 ft deep where the water is pure. It is worth while checking the fine type to verify what the source of the water is before purchasing it in the supermarket.

I am not sure what Mineral water is as this is not sold here in Sri Lanka. I remember seeing it in France where Vichy water bubbles like soda when opened. This indicates the presence of other chemicals in the water and is best avoided.

I get my stock of remedies from Mumbai India and prefer to use 2 drops of the remedy in a 500ml bottle of spring water which is succussed by shaking it hard prior to sipping a teaspoonful which constitutes the dose. If however you have the remedy in pellets you use just 3 pellets in this bottle of water.

I have observed that the remedy in water is far more effective than the dry pellets and am grateful to Luc de Schepper for having converted me from the dry to the wet dose. He emphasized that he was not the originator of this method of using a remedy as Hahnemann recorded it in his Sixth edition of his Organon.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thank you for explaing the mineral water. At this time, I think I will avoid it because of the carbonation. But will look around and see if I can get some without the carbonation.

Fortunately, my homeopath was smart enough or maybe intuitive enough to use wet dose on me because it certainly makes a difference for me.

The first time I used Arnica was before I met my homeopath. The woman at the health food store told me to use it as directed on the label but I got NOT ONE single responds after taking the entire container. LOL

I thought homeoapthy was a big HOAX. Fortunately, I forgot totally about this incident and took the remedies recommended to me by my homeopath.

I'm left with the curiosity of using mineral water. One of these days I will try it.

Thanks again.
 
Pat2006 last decade
Regular city water or tap water contains disinfactants like chlorine etc. These chemicals would kill the potentized medicine.

So either use spring/mineral/lake/river/pond/ground water or rain water.

Dilute the remedy the way Joe mentioned.
 
kuldeep last decade

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