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This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
It is about caution. IF the remedy might be responsible you stop it, to allow the natural picture to be seen.

It would be irresponsible to continue with a remedy while a patient is worsening if there is a chance the remedy might be causing it.

Cardinal rule of homoeopathy - patient gets worse while taking a remedy, you stop the remedy and reassess after a few days. If the remedy is not responsible there will be no change, if it is there will be a change.

Treatment of patients needs to be done in a way that is ordered, to allow for clear perception of what is happening. An attitude of 'oh well there is so much going on why not just add something else to the mix' is not an appropriate approach.

Homoeopathic medicines are powerful and dangerous, especially where there is a lot of pathology and there is a lot of medical suppression. A high level of caution is mandatory not optional.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Dear David,
Fair enough, i agree to your response. How about reaccessing the patient response after few days with the same remedy, once the flu like symptons which the patient is showing goes off. May be this is the best suited remedy for the patients current problem !! Giving a second try with the same remedy will help us in better evaluation for any further line of treatment.

Please let me know your views on this.

Regards,
Nikkie.



>> Views-Queries arising thru the follow up of the thread are in no way ment to interfere with the patients treatment. Since we had highly experienced Homeopath's on this forum why not gain from there vast knowledge
 
Nikkie last decade
Hi Nikkie, Daktarsaab, Joe and the moderator,

Rather than addressing his issues and concerns on this thread, the Brisbanehomoeopath again intruded in the following thread and confused the patient.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/288367

Please help and do justice.

May God bless you all.

Kind Regards
Nawaz
 
nawazkhan last decade
Oh please Nawaz. I am offering advice to the patient directly. Why don't you stop being so petty? I can offer advice to anyone I wish, you have no right to tell me I cannot. This feud is ridiculous.

If you want to keep telling people to ignore my advice, I will keep telling them you are not a homoeopath and that you have no experience with patients as a practitioner. Seems crazy but whatever.

Getting the moderator involved also seems ridiculous, as I have made no personal attacks or made any inappropriate comments. Trying to force me off threads just because you don't agree with me is not going to work, so you may as well stop trying. This is not your forum, it is a public one and as long as I abide by the guidelines for behaviour you will just have to find a better way to deal with me.

If you want people to take your advice without any input or argument from homoeopaths, why don't you get qualified and actually start a real life practice yourself? Then you can do what the rest of us do, manage clients the way you want to.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:58:52 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Dear Nawaz ge,
Thanks for taking a call from the patient in distress. I understand your feeling, please keep up with your good work.

Regards,
Nikkie.

Dear David,
I always try to peak into your knowledge base and try to get as much as i can. I appreciate your evaluation of patients problem at micro level before you go for any remidies.
This patient is just 1 day old on this forum, let us all first study the Patients problem and its syche. Then we can go ahead with knowledge sharing session.

I support your concern for patient thinking to take the medicine with other base rather then what is recommended as per the Homeopathic rules.

Since at this stage of treatment, we dont know who requires the treatment at most (Husband or wife). Lte us keep this thread free of infights and argument. Your effort to warn the patient in taking medicine with food items is good. But to the extent that, instead of helping patient it puts the danger to other lives is not acceptable to any body.
To be more clear with what i said : Hope in rage the patient do not start using the medicine in drinks to for settling the account, this will be a big BAD for all of us. May be (i dont know)soemthing might had got slipped from Nawaz at the initial stage fo treatment but politness should be always be there in dealing such scenarioes.
I am realy worried for the day, where the patients will start advising us for remedy to control our tempers / attitude/ Ego etc etc.

This is a mental agony case which we are delaing with, Put in all your expert knowledge and unitedly work together to solve the patients problem. This room is meant for discussion and evaluation and sharing, use it and have a disciplined and respectable appraoch
towards each other.

Let us leave it to Patient for the feedback regarding you appraoch towards his treatment, do every thing possible to solve his problem his problem.

Nawaz is doing great work on this forum and i respect his dedication and same goes to you, Joe, Daktarsaab,kadwa etc etc.

Say for example there may be n number of cases you dealt with in your medical carrier which dint respond to your remedy and patient discontinued the treatment. This in no way proove you are not a qualified Homeopathe. Every new patient is a scenarioe to study for a Homeopathe, he needs to put in his best to get the best.

Thanks for your hard work.

Regards,
Nikkie.

Dear All,
It was agreed on this forum ABC-Room, all the discussion will be discussed in this room instead of haveing an open house session in patients thread. I had my self tracked several threads in the past where this rule was breaked and open confrontation errupted. Is it that some thing is very much suppressed inside you all that is surfacing on top which requires urgent medical attention. I dont understand why there is no end to these fights in open. Why the needling is done to provogue the other person and make the environment SAD.

I personaly feel Politness and respect to each one and every one should be followed. Learn to control your anger and try to heal some anger with love.

Love you all and miss you all.

I am sorry if anybody felt bad about my post, i dont know you all and i had never met you all, but though distance apart i feel your presence around me. Every day i move to this forum in a hope to see Alhambra relief from the chronic ashthma. Hope we all Pray for his recovery soon.

This post had made me feel sad today, sp to cope up with this i will relaease good laughter today in ABC-Laughter.

Regards,
Nikkie.
 
Nikkie last decade
Dear All,
Connecting the following thread (as posted by Joe) for this room for reference.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/288296/

Good work done Joe. Any life time experience which our dear homeopaths want to share will be highly appreciated and welcome.

Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Nikkie.
 
Nikkie last decade
Hi Nikkie, Daktarsaab, Joe and the Moderator,

Millions of thanks Nikkie for your post, concerns and untiring help. May God bless you.

But, unfortunately, the others did not help in doing justice as the problem kept on increasing. I kept on receiving insults whether I am he or she, losing a lot of productive hours and confusion to my patients. So, my lips are no longer sealed Daktarsaab as you did not help in providing justice on humanitarian grounds. I am forced to defend myself within the ABC Forum rules.

Rather than addressing his issues and concerns on this thread, the Brisbanehomoeopath again and again intruded in the several threads and confused the patients while they were well into the treatments. I can provide all of the recent threads links, if needed?

Again, please help and do justice as I am losing a lot of productive hours already spent in analysing patient's data, gathering more data from the patients, posts back and forth, then, on top of that to handle his unnecessary posts with insults, just to hurt me. He is really confusing, scaring and making patients run away from the forum. Believe me, it creates a bad image for The ABC Forum. I am on this forum to enjoy my work of helping others, not to get insults, mental torture and lose sleep.

May God bless you all.

Kind Regards
Nawaz
[message edited by nawazkhan on Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:09:53 BST]
 
nawazkhan last decade
Nawaz, I am not doing the insulting you are. I am also not the one continuing this feud, you are.

You do not own those threads. Your request that I do not offer help the patient is unreasonable and will not be heeded. The patient themselves is welcome to reject that help but you cannot do it for them. This is never going to happen.

It is not me that confuses the patients. In fact, I am almost the only person here who bothers to explain anything to them. My opinion is that you don't know enough about homoeopathy to actually explain why you do anything, but instead resort to personal attacks, just as Joe does.

What it seems to me, is that you do not want your lack of knowledge and experience to be exposed. Obviously my ability to justify and debate the philisophy seems threatening to you.

I would appreciate it if you stop telling patients that my remedy suggestions will harm them, and that I am operating from a desire to hurt people. Such comments are ridiculous and offensive.

All I have ever asked for is that you show justification for your remedy choices or reasons for pursuing certain treatment plans. However, you continue to complain and hide and insult, so I assume that you are incapable of doing that. You claim to spend hours analyzing cases, then refuse or are unable to show one single piece of that work. I understand from what you have said this is because you are not a homoeoapth, and that you only work in a job where you pay the wages of a homoeopath.

This board is an opportunity to learn . You clearly feel you have nothing to learn, a point I disagree with in my opinion as a trained homoepath and as a teacher of homoeopathy. You clearly have nothing to teach either, or you would have been able to articulate your reasons for ignoring the guidelines in the Organon.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:40:08 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
The above is simply not true, therefore, I completely reject your statements. This is ABC Forum not the Principal's office of the Kempson Homoeopathic College where you are treating ABC consultants as your lecturers and all patients here are your students.

May God The Almighty show you the straight path and refrain you from being cruel at all times.
 
nawazkhan last decade
Dear Nawaz Khan Ge and David,
Hope your all are fine!

I try to go thru maximum of threads possible which are posted by the patients. Each thread has it own problem bringing along with different scenarios to learn. In few cases the patient is seen prescribing himself and lands up in trouble and he comes to seek the guidance from the forum. Now this is the time were your experience and knowledge comes handy to all the patients. You all are giving your best, I am thankful for your work.

Let us not put our very own members under scanner when a call is attended. In most of the cases patient gets scared with this open outburst. Dedicated members of this forum respond immediately to all the calls (threads) made by the patient, because you all don’t want to miss a possible emergency call related to patients. And that’s how it is on this forum.

There are many who get in touch with you on your personal mail box time and again which looks more and more intrusive. And yet you all continue taking the threads all times in all situations, without realizing that they are being rude to those around them or that they are only stressing themselves out. Or perhaps they don’t care. But we to have the patient with genuine problems who support from heart and soul where we need to show the utmost care and responsibility.

Next (and always), we all members of this forum are working together to integrate the various techniques, experience, knowledge etc. to solve the patients health problem. I see no reason why we cannot be successful. Hoping you all work to gather as a organised and disciplined forum, rather than individually functioning devices.

Unusual peoples do things differently, your insight to your experience and knowledge will benefit all on this forum. Hope you all agree to me.


Regards from Good listener,
Nikkie.
 
Nikkie last decade
Dear All,
It is difficult to imagine a healthy relationship that doesn’t involve fights. Some times when things are going smoothly for a while, you find your self spoiling for fight just to get the juices flowing!
Airing you grievances with a member of this forum is normal and healthy, but remember the goal is reconciliation, not destruction of the relationship!

Use this room for a friendly discussion please, taking our discussions in front of patient is not a good Idea. 'Who decides, what is appropriate?....... we have to work very hard on this :-)

Have a nice week end.

Regards,
Nikkie.
[message edited by Nikkie on Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:49:20 BST]
 
Nikkie last decade
Dear David (brisbanehomoeopath
),
I bring to your notice the following statements with my response, which appeared in your latest message.

'Nawaz and Nikkie have spoken at length about NOT confusing the patients. It seems they have changed their minds and decided that confusing them is in fact exactly what they wish to do.'

=> We dont confuse patients, as far as possible we always support patients in there treatment. And it is observed you are the second to enter the thread which is already taken care by Joe and Nawaz. And that is when the confussion era starts.

'Well you have a lot of cooks in the kitchen now.'
=> You can post this in ABC-laughter, all will enjoy.

'I believe nawazkhan is from India and his world view might totally differ, so certificates, diplomas to him are nothing more than someone trying to act superior than him which I cannot blame him for. I would probably see it the same way if I were born there.'.
=> You are yourself to blame for your thoughts. I feel sorry for these statements.

'Otherwise, any person can come on here and start shouting out the names of remedies, and telling you to go off your drugs. You must remember that very few people on this site are actually trained homoeopaths, are even health professionals of any sort. While training and qualifications don't automatically make you a good homoeopath, they are a necessary foundation for one.'.
=> You answered your own problem, training and qualifications don't automatically make you a good homoeopath. It is some thing more which you wont get in class room texts :-)

'Giving up because those people are starting to shout, is a terrible shame and not necessary at all. We have been arguing on another post partly about your case - it is nothing to do with you personally. I do have to wonder, after those other discussions, why suddenly both people in that discussion are suddenly here causing trouble.'
=> We are with the patient right from the day Joe started to look into the problem. It was when you made you entry things started boiling.

'If it helps you can go to Dr. Du Scheppers site where he talks about how to choose a homoeopath.'

=> You are asking and motivating patient to leave the forum. That is not at all encouraging.

So here it goes your thinking. I dont understand one thing David, from where the hell you get so much time to put in such long text, which serve no purpose.

I dont know if it is good to ask, but i need to ask the following :

1)When did you last laughed with your heart out ?
2)Do you enjoy your day to day work ?
3)Your messages are short of words like Dear,Regards,Love... why do message smell more frusturating ?
4) Are you on some remedy ?
5) Dont you praise anybody for there good work?
6) You are a teacher in some college, you aired some where in one thread ? How happy are your students with you?
7)Do you get a proper sleep ?
If no please let us share the reason (Hope nawaz or Joe or not the reason)?
8) Do you go out with your friends for a movie or dinner or sports etc ?
9) Rest on hearing from you :-)

Will you go for one month course on Joe,s arnica 30 wet dose therapy.?
It takes care of most of the problem suffered by us. Belive me i am taking it, and it works on me. That is the reason why i have good relation with all on this forum.


Hope you enjoy your day and work.


Peace prevail every where,
Regards,
Nikkie.
[message edited by Nikkie on Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:37:37 BST]
 
Nikkie last decade
Dear All,

Joe AND Nawaz are my mentors, i have a right to put my self the way i feel, they can guide and help me out from any situations. And yes, they are doing in there very best possible ways.

God bless them :-)

Regards,
Nikkie.
[message edited by Nikkie on Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:38:40 BST]
 
Nikkie last decade
I don't particularly care for you to start psychoanlayzing me Nikkie. Considering that you are not a health professional, your attempt to start 'taking my case' is insulting.

I am happy to discuss anything to do with homoeopathy or with my professional skills and experience. I am not happy for you to start digging into my personal life in order to find some reason (presumbably an illness)for why I am so angry at a group of people pretending to be doctors and homoeopaths while simultaneously denigrating those who are REAL homoeopaths.

I have no interest in trading insults and will not be posting in this thread any longer.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade

[message deleted by Silicea on Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:05:42 BST]
 
Silicea last decade
Hi Brisbanhomoeopath,

'I have no interest in trading insults and will not be posting in this thread any longer.'
Your positive thinking is greatly appreciated! But, your words must be supported by your actions.

We must never degrade, insult, make personal attacks and hurt anyone on any thread of this forum. Doing this on patient threads will bring bad image to ABC Forum and a great loss to humanity.

We accept you as trained, professional, have a clinic in Brisbane, have a diploma in homoeopathy, only health professional on this planet, only with professional skills and experience on the forum and in Australia, only qualified person on this forum, and even in the whole world. Then, please tell us what to do next as we would like to bring peace back in our lives. We would like to comfortably sleep. We are good listeners, please help in moving forward with respect, moral values, love, honor and dignity. I am really hurt and so scared to open your posts. Therefore, please help by showing your ethics, moral values and professionalism. You are trying to help patients on this forum in their pain and suffering, then, why not help us in our pain caused by you.

Please try to understand, you can not teach me with a stick, insults and sword on my neck. I am too old for that. Sure, with love, respect and wisdom, I will learn from you.

May God Bless You Brisbanhomoeopath.
[message edited by nawazkhan on Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:58:36 BST]
 
nawazkhan last decade
Dear Silicea,
There is difference in provoked and Responce. It is responce to the baseless allegations that was raised by David, it need to be sorted out and i made my stand very clear.

I dont see you as a part of this discussion since it is not related to any theories, but i appreciate your concern.

Dont get disturbed, things are bound to happen if it is meant to happen. I have no remedy for your thoughts.

Regards,
Nikkie
[message edited by Nikkie on Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:37:07 BST]
 
Nikkie last decade
Analyses is very much required David. When your suggested remdie fails on the patient and patient is seen suffering with his problem. Then there is a need to look into the case on the whole. It surprised me How come REAL homoeopath failed in his long attempt to cure the patient problem.

'I have no interest in trading insults and will not be posting in this thread any longer'.....

Please make a wider approach to what you commented as above by saying 'You should not visit the thread which are taken care by JOE and NAWAZ', this will avoid unnecessary confusions.

JOE and NAWAZ are experinced and qualified members of this forum, there work speaks for them.

Regards,
Nikkie :-) :-) :-)
 
Nikkie last decade

[message deleted by Silicea on Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:05:10 BST]
 
Silicea last decade
Dear Silicea,
Thanks for your acceptance:-)
So it is a FACT and TRUTH , it was provocation acts which are deliberately made on this forum !

'I dont need a remedy suggestion, thank you'.
--I never suggested any remedy for you. I repeat what i said you 'I have no remedy for your thoughts' :-):-):-)

From my side matter ends here.

Best of Luck,
Nikkie.
[message edited by Nikkie on Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:34:00 BST]
 
Nikkie last decade

[message deleted by Silicea on Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:04:41 BST]
 
Silicea last decade

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idra23 last decade

[message deleted by Silicea on Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:59:26 BST]
 
Silicea last decade
I am reading this stream of conversation for my academic interest only.
I am told that to inject some interest & fun the script writers DO add the 'bickering' part for the judges on the TV reality shows.I hope it is so here also.
Otherwise,if it is all real, then our all other patients are likely to develop a very bitter taste for us.Why not discuss on individual Email rather than on forum in public.
Please consider.
 
daktersaab last decade
Thanks Daktersaab, sure will consider.
 
nawazkhan last decade
David Sir, Please discuss any issues and answers to our Q's over here. Please let's not confuse our patients anymore.

Your kind help and understanding will be greatly appreciated.
 
nawazkhan last decade

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