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NAt Mur - self-prescribed - not sure if it works or is proved. Help please.

Hello dear people,

A friend of mine has suffered a painful divorce (her husband is a drug-addict :( - and when he takes the dose he is dangerous for her and their kids) - she left - but suffered hugely from it. Now for more then a year and a half she lives by herself with her 2 sons.

She had a hard childhood - has a lot of anger towards her parents - her words: 'I was an abandoned child.'

So, I have told her about my story with NAt Mur. and how successful it went. I had pretty similar issues. SO She told me that she is still grieving over the divorce and often finds it difficult to cope with it.

SHe feels very lonely. (communicates mostly with her 2 sons.

So - she decided to take Nat MUr 200c (as it is also indicated for deep grieving) - she took 3 doses midday-morning-evening.

She felt ok during a couple of days. But then she called me and said she feels quite angry - and irritable. And she takes it to her kids - which makes her even more guilty. she had a headache.

She feels like she is in asuch a mess - and feels guitly for it. She feels very very angry towards her parents. She feels guilty for being a mess. and feels very angry at life in general.

I have told her to take rescue remedy...
but I am very concerned.

On one hand - her symptoms and returned thoughts and anger - that was suppressed might be telling about the action of nat Mur - and maybe she IS healing and will work through it now and forever?
Or maybe she should take something else to eliminate this result?

I would be grateful on any thought about this situation.

Thank you!
 
  nettle on 2010-06-18
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
i think 3 doses in succession were not correct always give one single dose when symptoms agree, dont worry this phase will pass,and she will improve.wait for 2 weeks.
 
bapu4 last decade
Ask her to wait out the symptoms, if they don't go away after 10 days or so anti doting may be needed.
 
maheeru last decade
IMHO 200c is a large dose to give as a test dose. I usually start with 30c, and then see if the patient responds well.

Someone here can post a list of medicines that antidote Nat-M, as I'm not at my home computer.

You can always antidote it and then give a 30c, 12c, or 6c as a test dose.

Also, does the patient smoke, drink or use any other substances?



A good idea to keep Ignatia and Sepia in mind as they both are often complimentary to Nat-M. If there was some kind of crisis, you might have wanted to give Ignatia first, and then Nat-M, after it settled down.
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Someone please post the antidotes to Nat-M.
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
bump.
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Hi. I am not a doctor, but I once antidoted nat. mur using only one dose of arsenicum.
Maybe it will help you.
Maybe a doctor can help you better.
Also antidotes to nat.: sepia, nux and phophorus.
Best,
Joana.
 
abcjoana last decade
THANK YOU ALL VERY VERY MUCH FOR THE ADVICE!!!
We decided to wait and see what happens.

She took Ignatia initially - but still was struggling with the grief over her husband who left her with 2 little kids.

I think NAtMur worked BUT now she as developed Anger. And she takes it on her kids (2 sons)- when they don't obey she feels she cannot cope by herself and feels left alone and starts screaming and goes wild.

Could this angry fits be a part of healing process? MAybe it was suppressed and now is getting out?

I have been thinking about Staphy or Sepia. BUt still not sure - I gave her rescue remedy:)) It kind of works - but for a very short time.

Thank you very much for your ideas and help!!!
 
nettle last decade
It is over dosing of Nat. Mur

Ask her to drink strong coffee.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Oh, God!
I feel really bad:((
As it was me who tald er to read about Nat Mur in the 1st place:(((

Can you tell me howthe overdose happend? I have read that it is called a 'split method' when you take 3 doses in 48 hours. She took it morning-eve-morning. Why overdose then?
I did the same - in fact I took 5 doses - morning-eve-morn-ev-morn.
And it gave me miracles.
I just cannot understand.

She does not drink coffee - at all:( She is doing yoga etc..Any other methods?
Is this Rescue Remedy actually will help her?
Will Nar Mur overdose effect wear out by itself at all?

Thank you!!!
 
nettle last decade
Nettle

You can ask her to take nux vom. 6c two drops or pills maximum three doses only. This would negate the over working of the remedy.
 
maheeru last decade
Thank you very much MAheeru!

Do you think it is an overdose?
So Split method is not a good idea?

I talked to her - but she is not too willing to try another remedy...she just said if it is a overdose it should wear out soon? Is she right?

Thank you very much!
 
nettle last decade
AHA! She just told me - thinking about how she took the remedy - and it was not how I asked her: she took it
at 12 pm, then next morning!!! and only then next evening. So it was too long a period btw 1st and 2d dose? That probably caused the overdose!! Naughty girl - did not tell me that straight away!
 
nettle last decade
Nettle

It's been more than a month since she took the nat. mur doses. Hence i suggested nux. to remove the negative symptoms from nat. mur. Nux vom. is an acute of Nat. mur and will sometimes make the nat. mur dose work well without the negative symptoms.

In her case, nat. mur doses every 2 or 3 weeks might have helped her. Every body is different and things won't work the same for all.

If she is not keen on taking another remedy now, she can wait for some more time, but if the symptoms persist beyond 2 or 3 months, appropriate anti dote is essential. Also she can just sniff through the liquid remedy(also low potency) for anti doting instead of taking orally.
 
maheeru last decade
let it settle--retake symptoms --if back to pre nat mur---your looking at staphysagria---this address the recent removal from marriage--deal with the immidiate and dont get caught up in going into things --especially whe using guess work
 
John Stanton last decade
Thank you very much Maheeru - I will talk to her about sniffing the remedy.


Thank you very much John!

Her divorce happened about 3 years ago and at the time she took Ignatia which was a good help - but she was still grieving considerably.

Right now the immediate problem is that she feels out of control with her two sons (7 and 3). The older one does not respect her and she starts screaming at him to make him obey. She feels lack of of support (again she thinks with a help of a man if would be easier) - and lack of self-control.
 
nettle last decade
Nettle

Her emotional profile points towards staphysagria.

But if the aggravation from nat. mur stays on for a long time, anti doting or a modifying remedy will be required.
 
maheeru last decade
Thank you Maheeru!
So should I tell her to opt for nux vom or staphy better?

Can she sniff staphy as well? I have staphy 200c - I can give her.
 
nettle last decade
Since she is not feeling like taking medicine, another 20 days shall be waited upon. After that if the negative symptoms from nat. mur persist, ask her to sniff nux vom. doses. On the other hand, if she's back to pre-nat mur state without any negative symptoms then staphy. shall be given. She may be sensitive. Start with 30c for her. Either sniffing or oral administration.
 
maheeru last decade
Thank you very much Maheeru!

She is actually better.
Her pre-nat-mur state wasn't angry. She just felt grieving after her divorce (which improved) but what is still there - is her feeling of lack of control. She feels her boys don;t respect her enough and don;t obey. She feels left alone and finds it difficult to deal with them on her own. And she is very tired.

I think for now she will just keep going - and use Rescue remedy in acute cases.
hmm

Maheeru - woukl you be so kind as to have a look at my other thread on combined remedies? Do you also think that they are not a good idea?:)
 
nettle last decade
Welcome Anya.

Staphy. 30c is a worthy try in your friend's case(but not many details are here). when she is comfortable taking homeopathic remedy, just give one or two doses initially to see how she responds. Repeat after 10 days if she feels some benefit. She may be sensitive go conservative in number of doses, number of pills/drops and in repetition.

From my point of view, single remedy is preferable to more than one remedy at a time.
 
maheeru last decade

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