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Forgive me for my poor english.I am a woman that live in canada and english is my second language.tx....
I have a problem in speaking for about 3 month which is started when i done a surgery that they should put me on sleep-Anesthetic.after that i start to have a sore throat and then dry coughing.after a while i felt that i have something inside of my right vical cord.I am a teacher as well so i start to loose my voice and kind of funny voice.I saw a specialist and he told my that i have a cyst and he avoid to do a surgery to remove it because 50-50 i will loose my voice and my voice would change forever and he give me tablet which it called Tecta 40mg for my acid reflux that i should talke it half hours before eating any food one time a day.so i took it for a month but after that i saw him he mentioned that my cyst got bigger and he increased the tablet for two times a day.I felt no different and even worth and i am keep loosing my voice and try to speak less and have a sore spot in my right area of my throat.I saw an article which Arnica can take care of the cyst of vocal cord and i ordered from ABC website a 30c Arnica Montana in 500ml and i start to take it 4 tea spoon a day for a month but a little bit my pains gone but still i feel that i have that cyst and more trouble with speaking.some day i can talk some words barely.I wonder that I can have a suggestion in homeopathy and i can take some remedy for fix it.I attached my vocal cords picture to this article and I just need some miracle to have a hope to get rid of this pain and not loosing my job as a teacher.Thank you so much for your patient and advice.

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  Rojina on 2010-04-17
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Dear Rojina, pl take bell 1M 3 doses on day 1 then follow it with Merc cyan 1M 3 doses on day 2,then on day 3 take phos 1M 3 doses,add BC 10 & BC 11, 5 Tabs from each 3 times a day for 7 days ,then revert back.

Next time you will have a clear voice.

Thanks.

Dr Abhishek Mukherjee
om sai clinic
 
Dr Abhishek last decade
Logging in to observe progress.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi this is Carolynn I'm Rojina's room mate I was reading your response to her request for help with her throat i was hoping you could clarify a few things were a bit confused on some of the doses and remedies , thanks ,
#1 is bell belladonna ?
#2 us merc cyan Mercurius Cyanatus ?
#3 is phos phosphorus
#4 what is BC 10 and 11 , were not able to find it on the web site (ABC homoeopathy)
and finally could you please explain the doses . 1m is that 1mg or 1 ml for example if she takes 1m 3 doses on day one does that mean 1mg 3times a day for 1 day or 1 ml 3 times a day for 1 day , any help you could give us would be great .
We have been to see an E.N.T and they seem to be afraid to want to do anything about it, her cyst is right on her vocal cord and were afraid she may loose her voice permanently if something is not done soon the cyst is just getting bigger again any help you could give us would be a blessing.
thank you .
Carolynn
 
Rojina last decade
Hi #1 is bell belladonna ?
#2 us merc cyan Mercurius Cyanatus ?
#3 is phos phosphorus
#4 what is BC 10 and 11, were not able to find it on the web site) yes bell is Bellodona 2.Merc cyan is Mercurius Cyanatus 3.Phos is Phosphorus.Next 1M mean 1000c and BC mean bio-plasgen no.10 and 11.Please follow the dose schedule instructed by doctor.
 
Dr.Haran ch malaker last decade
To Rojina

In your first post on this thread you indicated that you had read a thread which referred to a similar Cyst on a Vocal Chord I had cured in just 11 days as confirmed by the patient.

I presume that you referred to my post of 22 September 2006 on:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/81652/

The difference in the case that I cured and yours was that it was bleeding while yours is not. The bleeding made it easier for it to be cured as there was a continuous leak of blood which brought with it the healing that Arnica promotes naturally by increasing the blood flow in the body.

I note that you have been using Arnica 30 for a month without any cure. This may be due to your using the Dry pellets which I have found to be not as effective as the same remedy in 85% Ethanol also known as the Liquid Dilution in the US. Please order this Liquid Dilution in Ethanol and use it in the Wet dose 3 times daily as per the instructions below on making the Wet dose.

Reading your post, it is obvious that the tube the anesthetist who inserted the tube to enable you to breathe into your Trachea before your surgery had injured your Vocal Chord and this resulted in the Cyst on the right chord which is now in the form of a blister.

I also note that you were prescribed Tecta 40mg for Acid Relief. I presume that you suffer from some degree of GERD or Gastro Esophagal Reflux Disease aka Hyperacidity or Heartburn.

The remedy for this problem is Natrum Phos 6x dose 2-3 tablets taken immediately after a meal. This prevents the build up of acid and will help in the curing of your Cyst.

If my diagnosis is correct and you still suffer from GERD today it is possible that your Cyst is not reducing naturally because your Gastric Juice which comprises HCl (Hydrocholoric Acid) and Digestive Enzymes is irritating and even burning your Cyst and actively interfering with the natural healing of your Cyst which should have occurred immediately after it was injured after your last surgery.

Do NOT consider Surgery for your Vocal Chord Cyst unless the combined efforts of all the Homeopaths on this Forum cannot help to cure it.

My advice to help cure your Cyst which is based on my experience in 2006, is that you use Arnica 30c in the Wet dose made with the Liquid Dilution in Ethanol precisely as indicated in my instructions. You will take a capful 3 times daily and there is every possibility that your Cyst will be reduced and soon disappear.

You may like to know that I have an abiding faith in Arnica which I have used on a daily basis since 1996 and at my advanced age of 81 years, I am convinced that I owe to this remedy my quality of life without any ache or pain in my body.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
i omitted to give you instructions on making the Wet dose which I copy below:

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the Arnica 30c in the 5ml Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard before you take a capfull which is the dose. Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this shaking must be done every time before a capful of the bottle is sipped as directed.


In your case I would like you to take a capful of the remedy from the bottle 3-4 times daily and gargle with the capful to enable the delicate tissue in your throat to be coated with the remedy which you will swallow after gargling. You may use one or two capfuls per gargle and you need not worry about overdosing as each gargle will count as a dose.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe,

I want to order Arnica 30c in 500ml from website as well too,but i used to have Arnica Montana before and I wondering what kind of Arnica should i order and is a right one? the Arnica Montana Radix or Arnica Montana???
 
Rojina last decade
Hi Rojina,

The main need of the moment for you is to get the Arnica 30c immediately as you have already lost 3 months after your last surgery when this accident occurred. I believe that if you had taken Arnica 30 immediately after your surgery, you would not have suffered from this Cyst as the Arnica alone would have cured any damage to your Vocal Chords.

You may like to know that I had a minor surgery for an Inguinal Hernia a year ago and used only Arnica 30c in the Dry dose 2 pellets taken every 2-3 hours post surgery for the pain. I refused the analgesic offered (Diclofenac Sodium 50mg) and showed my surgeon and the nurse the tiny vial with the pellets of Arnica 30c which I used instead which ensured that I did not feel any pain except when I coughed. I walked out of my hospital room to my car the following morning without the wheel chair that was offered.

You live in Canada and it is very likely that you can get Arnica Montana 30c in the Liquid Dilution made in Canada. You do not have to order it out from the ABC in the UK as it is very likely that you may have to wait for many weeks to get it due to the present crisis in air travel caused by the volcanic ash.

You can also mail order it from Washington Homeopathic Products:

www.homeopathyworks.com

800 336 1695

It also occurred to me that you have a good case to sue the Hospital for damages as this damage to your vocal chords was obviously caused by the negligence of the anesthetist. Thousands of surgical operations are done daily throughout the world and each one requires the anesthetist to insert the special Tracheal Cannula used for anesthesia. The insertion of this instrument and subsequent removal after surgery is very basic but it has to be done with care which I do not think was shown by your anesthetist. You are advised to discuss this matter with your lawyers.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Carolynn & Rojina, YOUR Rx is BELLADONNA 1M
MERCURIUS CYANATUS 1M
PHOSHORUS 1M

3 DOSES means one doses of 4 pills made in sugar of milk.

BC 10 & BC 11 are dr reckeweg's bio chemic combination ,dr reckeweg's medicines are available all over the world at any homeopathic medical store.

Hope all is clear,pl specify if you have any query.

Thanks,

Dr Abhishek Mukherjee
om sai clinic
 
Dr Abhishek last decade
Hi Rojina our forum's senior doctor respected Joe de livera when suggesting medicines,in my openion you should use it as par his given method,please dont hear to others as systematic treatment is preferable for your case.Thanks,malaker
 
Dr.Haran ch malaker last decade
Thank you Dr Haran for your vote of confidence in my Joepathy.

As you may be aware, I had already helped a patient some years ago who presented a similar Cyst on her vocal chords which was bleeding and it was cured in just 11 days according to the confirmation given by the patient by using Arnica 30c in the Wet dose.

It is best that the patient does not experiment at this late stage with other unproven remedies as the need for immediate action is important to solve her delicate problem for which surgery is the worst remedy which may leave her without any voice.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi Dr.Joe and Dr.Haran.
Hi Dr.Abhishek

This is Rojina,
This is amazing website.
I just feel very supported by all of you guys.
I feel hope..
Thank you everybody for sll of the suggestions and priceless experiences.

I got liquid Arnica 30c in 500ml today from Boiron co.and as i was using it before and Dr.Joe's instruction,i put 3 tea spoon of liqid arnica in 500ml spring water and i am usiing it 4 or 5 times a day.I have been using this prescription for almost two week.It is amazing that Dr.Joe respond to my add because i found his comment on another patient in this website two weeks ago, for vocal cord's bleeding and now he sent me these usefull comments again.overall still after two week.,.some days i am loosing my voice for couple minutes but it is come and go.the soreness and pain is less but is in the left side of my throat and i feel the cist is a little smaller because before when i was caughing it was feel like the cist was shaking.Hopefully i will get red of it.On 11th of May i am going to check my cist and take a picture of it see how big it is and is that getting smaller or bigger or disappeard hopefully.Anyway i will follow this instruction and I'll let you know of any progress.If any more suggestion that you come later please let me know.Again Thank you so much for your attention and all of the time you spend to write and think about me.
I appreciate it.

Thank you,

Rojina
 
Rojina last decade
I must admit that I am ALARMED at your news.
Please STOP using the Arnica from the bottle you have made.

You state:
'I got liquid Arnica 30c in 500ml today from Boiron co.and as i was using it before and Dr.Joe's instruction,i put 3 tea spoon of liqid arnica in 500ml spring water and i am usiing it 4 or 5 times a day'

The reason for my alarm is because you have used 3 TEASPOONS full of the Boiron remedy in 500ml water instead of using just 3 DROPS. You are using a very large concentration of the Arnica 30c by using 3 TEASPOONS FULL when you should only have used 3 DROPS.

This is a problem that I face in prescribing on a Forum such as this as you live many thousands of kilometers away from me and there is no possibility of following your case up other than on your report which fortunately you are doing today.

I copy my instructions again below:

'Order the Arnica 30c in the 5ml Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard before you take a capfull which is the dose. Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this shaking must be done every time before a capful of the bottle is sipped as directed.

In your case I would like you to take a capful of the remedy from the bottle 3-4 times daily and gargle with the capful to enable the delicate tissue in your throat to be coated with the remedy which you will swallow after gargling. You may use one or two capfuls per gargle and you need not worry about overdosing as each gargle will count as a dose.'

You also state: 'I have been using this prescription for almost two week.'
You posted your case and I prescribed for your case the day after. It is April 20 today and you state that you have already been using the WET DOSE for 2 weeks. Please explain.

Please follow the instructions below:

STOP using the remedy water from the bottle you have already made.
Make a new remedy precisely as explained in my clear instructions on making the Wet dose above.

Do not gargle with the remedy more than 4 times daily and if you feel any aggravation please stop using the Arnica and report immediately.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi Rojina sorry to inform you as you have done wrong in preparing the remedy.Strictly follow the instruction to prepare wet dose.Thanks,malaker
 
Dr.Haran ch malaker last decade
Sure,
Thank your correction.
Yes i changed it and i have the exactly what Dr.Joe did.

The reason that i told in one of my comments that i was taking Arnica for 2 weeks by now because i read an article in ABC website two weeks ago by searching in internet who Dr.Joe did the same prescription for a person that had a cyst bleeding and I followed his instruction before that i put any comment on ABC website, but now i am using it in exactly the dose that he said and i did all the changes.

Again thank you very much and i will let you know for any progress.

Thank you,
Rojina
 
Rojina last decade
Please report the present status of your Cyst on your Vocal Cord.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi Joe,
Thank you for asking me,
The pain decreased somewhat.
when I speak for length of time( a little bit) the pain will come back.At night I still will loose my voice and in the daytime hoarse sound.In the morning my pain is more.During my sleep, I will cough a lot and it will wake me up.I followed your instructions and I am continuing to use the medicine.I am hoping for some changes.I will have an updated photo on the 11th of May.If you have any recommend i will be very happy to hear that.

Thank you for your follow up and your consideration,

Rojina
 
Rojina last decade
Arnica does not seem to have helped you in the manner that it helped the other case and I would like to change the remedy for you.

Order Conium 6c in the same Liquid Dilution and use just 3 DROPS in the 500ml water and gargle and swallow it thrice daily.

Conium is effective in reducing Cysts and Tumors and I am hopeful that it can also help you.

It is essential that you rest your voice as this seems to be the root cause of the Cyst not resolving itself back to normal. I appreciate that you are a teacher and must speak but it is up to you to follow my instructions if you wish to be cured.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi Joe,
Sure i will order that as well too and I'll let you know.I am trying as much that i can my daily speak become less and less.Because some days even that i want to speak couple words i can't.i feel my vocal cords not working properly to make a sound.I allways feel that it is something in my throat and i want to clear my throat.Anyway,I am off from work for a month now for teaching and i am frustrated for a better result.I will do the new remedy and i will let you know.

Thank you again
Rojina
 
Rojina last decade
Hi Joe,I have been using Conium exactly as you prescribed me in exactly amount of water for about 12 days now..and I attached the new picture that i got today on may 11 2010 and the polyp is way bigger.recntly i have been caughing very bad and in my sleep my Vocal cords makes noises...These are new effects and i wonder that i should keep taking Conium as you prescribed or not..

Thank you,
Rojina

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Rojina last decade
It is obvious that your Cyst has not responded to the Conium and you do not have any alternative other than surgery.

Please consult a competent ENT Surgeon who has experience in this delicate surgery and keep me advised of future developments.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hello my name is Miesha! 😊

I read your article on April 18th 2010 about a vocal says that you're helping with I seen her picture but mine didn't look like that or doesn't look like that it is actually underneath the skin and it looks like a muscle cramp but I am a vocalist and I don't want to get the surgery because my voice is already lowered and suffering from going up and down ranges in a song do to my polyp and my cyst.

I ordered the Arnica Montana 30c and put three drops in a water bottle shook it up vigorously poured therapy into a cap which I am assuming the water bottle cap that came with it and filled it up two times so I can gargle it and then swallow is that correct? Is it seem like it is such a small dose in a almost 16 ounce bottle of water to do anything. I am testing it out for the first time this morning but I wanted to know if I am doing it correctly and also will it help my polyp? I have someone trying to make a tincture for me for the polyp can I take both of these tinctures at the same time ( not sure what it is going to consist of )?

Anyway mine is not bleeding so I just wanted to know how long do you think it will take for it to at least go down and also do I keep that same remedy in the bottle until the bottle runs out? Or do I make a fresh remedy every single day.

Thank you for your time and your expertise it is greatly appreciate it it really is and I really appreciate you taking the time to read this thank you😊😊😊😇

Miesha
 
Persiangold 6 years ago
I note that you have studied the therapy I prescribed for another vocalist in 2010 whose problem I was able to cure with my Arnica therapy when other more qualified and classical homeopaths were not successful or did not attempt to do so.

You stated that your case is not similar as you do not have any cyst as yours is a muscle cramp but you did mention about a Polyp and a Cyst.

You are advised to consult an ENT surgeon to diagnose your problem which I believe is due to overstraining of your voice when hitting the high notes or when singing “Fortissimo” (very loud) which results in damage to your Vocal Cords since they are subjected to constant use in singing.

The obvious remedy to help your voice is to stop singing for a few weeks and although this may seem impossible, I persuaded a vocalist in Sri Lanka about 20 years ago to do so, and this resulted in her voice regaining its original timbre (quality) with just 3 weeks of stopping singing when she hardly spoke. She did also use the Arnica therapy prescribed below.

Arnica 30c in the Wet dose taken every 3 hours will help to repair the presumed damage. You will take a dose of a large spoonful of the remedy which you will make with 10 drops Arnica 30c in 80% Alcohol mixed into 500ml water and gargle with the mouthful for as long as you can do so to enable the throat and vocal cords to absorb the healing benefits of the remedy. You may have to lay back in bed with the mouthful of the remedy to keep it for as long as possible and you will then swallow it slowly for best effect. You will use the contents of the bottle right down to the last drop.

I do not recommend surgery as this is not a safe option and hope that my therapy aka “Joepathy” will help you and wish you the best.
 
Joe De Livera 6 years ago
Thank you..I have seen a ENT and they did say not to sing for about 3 months I am going through vocal exercises right now as we speak...ok where would I get the 80% alcohol? I have the 20%.
 
Persiangold 6 years ago
They did say it was a cyst and a polyp one on each side of my vocal chord. I was saying it didn't look like the one in the picture.
 
Persiangold 6 years ago

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