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The case above was one of simple acute prescribing, which classical Homoeopaths have been practicing for centuries. It has nothing to do with deviations from this, or convoluted 'sub systems'.

I am glad you have found relief of your symptoms Elaine. Follow Murthy's advice, you are in good hands.


-Jacob.

Dear Joe

Classical homeopathy distinguishes between acute and chronic problems.

If you know the locality,sensation, and modality you can prescribe on the spot,for acute problems, if you know your materia medica.

Just like all patients without exception get Arnica symptoms, after an accident, all patients who got burnt,get cantharis symptoms.

For such cases, no individualisation is required. This is pure' homeopathy' and told by Hahn. two hundred years back.

There is no 'joepathy' involved in this.

The situation is different for chronic cases. This for that attitude won't work out there.

Don't get confused between the two.

Murthy

P.S. Causticum is a good medicine for after effects of burns. Not immediately.

Hi Jacob

Our posts crossed.

I wish these people will see the similiarity of thinking, that we people have.

It is because of our effort in knowing the fundamentals.

If all know the fundamentals, thoroughly, the divergence of views come down, and that is good for the patient and homeopathy too.

Murthy

..and please, do not ever compare my prescribing techniques with yours Mr De Livera, whether this is for the purposes of self-agrandisment or otherwise. I am a Homoeopath, you are not.

To Murthy and Jocob

Here we go again.

It is precisely this form of one upmanship that you seek to promote on this forum that is the bane of homeopathy as practiced by both of you.

Here is a clear case where I have proved beyond doubt that you have both identified the remedy in the same manner that I do which is the direct method which Murthy and many others have called Joepathy. When you both discovered that it worked and when I expressed my delight and drew the close comparison to the method of diagnosis that you had used which was identical to my Joepathy you both react immediately and now endeavour to split hairs over acute and chronic prescribing to justify your use of the Joepathy method.

What I wish to point out to you is that there is no shame in your using this method of direct diagnosis which according to you is non classical. It is as if only classical homeopathy will work while Joepathy does not. If this is your attitude, I would like you to read at least some of my many outstanding cases of success in the links that I have stored on my hard disk that I shall copy below which may give you sufficient chapter and verse to prove to you that it is not only your classical method that works in helping a patient.

It is precisely this form of 'holier than thou' attitude that I seek to eliminate which is, as I stated above is the bane of homeopathy as practiced by your both, one a beginner in homeopathy who only has 4 years of study behind him and in your case Jacob you only have your diploma and you feel that you are therefore the cat's whiskers. Can you give me chapter and verse to equate the many thousands of cases that I have helped on this ABC which in many cases have resultedi in cures ? You have stated that you have a successful practice where you have treated thousands of cases and in my case I am not a professional homeopath as I do not use homeopathy for any monetary gain although I have also treated many thousands of patients whose records are not on the web. This is where I believe I score over you both as all my records are in the archives of the ABC, Hpathy, Otherhealth, NCH and now on Praveen's Homeopathy and More. It is all there for you to wade through and if you still feel you can fault me I shall be happy to deal with your queries.

I believe that the sooner this fallacy that you both seek to promote, classical homeopathy versus Joepathy, is eliminated, the better for the patients who visit this forum.


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Hahnemania, Joe,

Quit it.

Quit it? I have done nothing wrong aside from prescribe for a case, sucessfully I might add, when Mr De Livera took it upon himself to swan in with his usual self congratulatory approach, addressing me, and trying to tell everyone I am practicing 'his' methods. I simply pointed out that I was not, and never will. I have no interest in communicating with such people, but will respond if I am addressed.


-Jacob.

and again Mr De Livera, I am not 'using your 'Joepathy' ', merely prescribing in one of the ways classical Homoeopaths have for centuries, and I do not even aknowledge your 'system'. You are though of course free to incorrectly draw any correlations for your own personal purposes.

I have also never stated any of my qualifications to you or anyone else here, so please do not comment on things you know absolutely nothing about. My confidence in prescribing comes soley from my knowledge, my 'Diploma' is of no consequence to this.

Also, the cases I treat are in REAL life, and have been sometimes up to 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and at least 50 weeks a year, not people I have never met, and communicated with only through a 'chat style' medium for a 'hobby'. When you can 'boast' the same MR De Livera, do feel free to approach me, until then, you have nothing of any relevance to say to me.

Thankyou for your time, and please do not address me further.


-Jacob.

Dear Simon,

I presume that you have read all my posts on this thread. You will observe that I have been compelled to reply to these posts by both Murthy and now Hahnemann as all they both seem to see red from every one of my posts, and persist in criticizing me for what they deem is my non classical approach to Homeopathy, which is the same identical method that the large majority of homeopaths at least in the Indian subcontinent use in prescribing to their patients. My method is the direct 'this for that' attitude also referred to derisively by Murthy and others of his ilk as 'Joepathy'. It is strange that their constant reference to this term has been noted and this term has now achieved what can be described an official status as all the search engines have picked it up as you can see if you type it into Google and to Mama Metasearch which lists many hits.

The point to be considered in the treatment of a patient is whether the remedy that I have prescribed has helped him or otherwise. If you wade through the 4796 posts that I have made since June 2003 when I first joined the ABC which you will remember was at the time that another homeopathic forum was tying with Homeopathy. com which today is Hpathy for pride of place. The ABC soon gained a lead over the other due to the dedicated efforts of its resident prescribers who have been members since that time and I believe that in the order of seniority I am the oldest member both on the forum and also in age at 77 years, as you perhaps are already aware of. You will observe that in the many thousands of cases that I have helped the rate of success is very high and I believe well over 90%. I have achieved this rate of success with my own understanding of Homeopathy which I have never studied in a college as I am not a professional homeopath. It is interesting to observe how many of the patients address their ailments to me and I was intrigued to note that some patients do not post to my attention but start their text with 'Dear Dr Joe De Livera'. I then have to inform them that I am not qualified although I do have some 25 years of hands on experience in Homeopathy behind me and then proceed to take the case in my own manner and to suggest a remedy which I fee is suitable.

If you have been reading the posts during the past few weeks especially those that were made by Murthy in the evenings, you would have observed that he had assumed the role which was best described by Kuldeep as the 'Homeopathic Constable' which post he assumed within a few weeks of his rejoining the ABC which he had not visited or at least not posted on for many months, in the past, as he was perhaps under contract to Hpathy from which he seems to have retired. His attitude when criticizing our posts is that it is only he and he alone that is qualified to produce a classically generated remedy while all of us who have many years of hands on experience in the successful treatment of thousands of patients with our own brand of homeopathy or in my case 'Joepathy' are, according to him, dangerous as they will create other dangerous conditions which may occur in the patient's lifetime or perhaps even in the hereafter ! It is however strange on his own admission that he is only 4 years into Homeopathy and that the only experience that he has had so far is in treating himself and his immediate family with his own hyper critical interpretation of Homeopathy which I may be forgiven for classifying as 'Murthypathy'. It is no wonder that we all resent this pompous intruder who has no right to post his critique of every one of our posts which unfortunately compells us to waste our precious time that we can otherwise devote to healing, in answering his inane posts which became intolerable a few days ago when you banned him. You will observe that at that time I stayed out of the hustings and observed with glee the goings on in the ABC. I was naturally delighted to note that Murthy was banned as I felt that he had it coming for some time but was disappointed to note that he was back again and very quickly in action under another name.

Murthy seems to have developed some form of allergy to the posts that Kuldeep, Pankaj and I make on your forum which in my case sometimes goes over 10 posts per day on the average, many of which are made in response to patients under treatment for various ailments that have invariably been treated successfully by me as can be seen by reading the archives where I was surprised to note that I have made almost 5000 posts to date.

It is strange that Murthy and now Hahnemann persist in criticizing our posts while they hardly ever try to help the patients who post their ailment in the hope of a cure. In the one instance that Jacob cottoned on the Cantharis which Elaine, the patient had in her stock of remedies which eventually helped her to overcome her pain in her tongue, I was naturally very glad that the 2 classical homeopaths had used the Joepathy method of prescribing the remedy and I felt that I had to compliment them both for doing so as it provided living evidence that it had the desired effect. You will observe the response from Hahnemann and I believe Murthy where both of them split hairs about the Acute and the Chronic level of intensity of the ailment where according to them the Acute can only be treated with Joepathy while the Chronic could only be treated with Murthypathy. This, I consider as utter rubbish. The fact remains that even when they were compelled to use the Joepathy method which they saw worked very well, they did not wish to admit defeat and to grudgingly accept that Joepathy also worked and that very satisfactorily.

I am quite prepared to call it quits as requested by you and to not waste any more of my time in responding to the posts of both the Homeopathic Constable and his erstwhile assistant, but this will only be on the distinct understanding that they too will jointly observe the same peaceful conditions of coexistence without ever criticizing the posts that others who also use the direct 'this for that ' system also make, which the members have discovered is the more positive method of obtaining a cure.

Joe

I'd read all the above, only I simply cannot be bothered. 'Responding to posts' though? Hmm, wasn't it you who first addressed me?

-Taps on screen-

HELLO, anyone home?

sigh...

murthy

Indeed Murthy, but when amateur 'Homoeopaths' decide to stop addressing or making reference to me here, I will stop responding, as I had already, until Mr De Livera's reinitiation of communication by his self congratulatory interjenction above. It's really that simple.

The above 'discussion' has come to an end anyway, as I am already bored with this.


-Jacob.

Hi Joe

Be careful. 'Murthpathy' too is picked up by google.!!

Murthy

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Good to hear Elaine. You may stop the remedy now, as there is obviously a good strong reaction taking place.

It's a good job one of us...lesser Homoeopaths 'cottoned on' to the cantharis -Rolls eyes-

And yes, amateur prescribing can indeed be a very dangerous thing in Homoeopathy...

Best wishes.


-Jacob.

I have found Causticum very very effective ineven initial days of burns . Even Cantharis was not required. It is deeper acting and doesnt leave a scar.
This I have personally tested on myself as we women keep on getting burnt in kitchen

You get causticum too, as suggested by Robina.

It is a good medicine for the after effects of burns.

Murthy

The best thing under the circumstances is to keep taking Cantharis frequently.

Order causticum, and nitric acid quickly.

Murthy