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To Rajiv Prasad
Hello Rajiv,Some information as sought by you:
HOMEOPATHIC GUIDE TO FAMILY HEALTH.
By: Dr. V.R. Bajaj and R.K. Tandon
V.R. Bajaj is a MBBS and MD and later in life converted to homeopathy.
Both have been well known practicing homeopaths.
Rajendra Publishing , Bombay.
First published 1989
Fourth Reprint Jan. 1992.
(I have this copy and I am reproducing extracts from it).
PAGE 14. ....COLMN. THREE
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In the orthodox practice of homeopathy it has been the belief that only one remedy should be given at a time. There is no doubt that there is drug interaction in multiple prescriptions, but it has been necessary at times when the apparent symptoms are not covered by one medicine, to administer two different medicines, either alternately or in succession. No adverse reaction has been noticed except certain cases where the drugs are inimical to each other. (Such inimical drugs are indicated separately in a chart elsewhere in this book).
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Note that the authors (well known homeopaths) are not even averse to administring two anti-dotal meds in succession or in alteration.
PAGE 31 ..COLMN. TWO
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CHRONIC CASES
In chronic cases, medicines with potencies 200, 1000 (1M) or 10000 (10M) are more effective.
These potencies go very deep into the system and effect remarkable cures. The medicine should be taken four times a day till a cure occurs. If recovery stops mid way, it is time to raise the potency.
For children, ordinarily 30 potency should be used but there is no harm in raising the potency if circumstances so require.
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Further down on same page and under same head:
CHRONIC CASES (CONTD.)
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Where more than one medicine is indicated, care should be taken not to mix the medicines. The indicated medicines should be taken at an interval of 30 minutes each. The number of doses per day can be adjusted to 3 or 2 depending upon the number of medicines being used simoultaneously.
Very often, it may not be necessary to repeat the dose second time. We have seen cases where in an acute attack of gastro-enteritis, the patient, passing frequent , loose ,watery motions and rice white stools and suffering from uncontrollable attacks of vomiting, has been able to obtain relief with one dose of Veratrum Alb 1000. Quite often, a severe, intolerable earache is taken care of with one dose of Belladona 10,000 when a number of medicines have failed. Thus the frequency of a dose is to be decided upon according to the circumstances. Ordinarily 4 doses of the indicated medicine should be sufficient.
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My comments:
This method is based on a manner of adminstring homeopathic drugs by some other well known homeopath of yester years who came after Hahnemann but much before the current time period.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♥ PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-12
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Dear Pankaj,
Thanks for sharing your reference.But there are a few things that i would like to say.First of all is that it seems that the authors seem to have taken their allopathic approach to treatment of diseases over to homeopathy.May be the long time that they spent in pursuing MBBS and MD and years of practice that they must have had under the allopathic system is responsible for this.Now consider this argument please.Even for a very competent allopath, when he starts to study homeopathy, he has to start from scratch like anyone else.Let us say, he completes his MBBS and MD by the age of 30.Then give him say 8-10 years of allopathic practice.So, by the age of 40, he starts to study homeopathy.It will take at least 8-10 years of hard study for a genius to achieve some degree of proficiency in homeopathy.So, at the age of 50, this converted allopath will be sure of his homeopathic methods to convert fully to a practice based on homeopathy.If he has converted say after only 2 or 3 years of study of homeopathy (self study), then his knowledge is half baked.In the earlier case, where he has studied really hard, then he has to gain at least 15-20 odd years of clinical experience before he can be in a position to pass on his wisdom to others.I do know much about these two authors.So, i gave a google search for Dr.Bajaj under homeopathy.65 hits were found.All of them of some or the other site carrying this book for sale.
I could not find a single comment, recommendation or critique of this book by any homeopathic colleagues.So, this book has gone largely unnoticed by the homeopathic community.It cannot thus be termed as a classic or a great book.You know, there are thousands of books published on homeopathy all over the world every year.I cannot use any one of them to base my entire treatment philosophy, unless that book has something of tremendous significance hitherto undiscovered in it.For example, the books by Dr.Luc De Schepper i mentioned.On doing a google search for him, i got 1320 hits.He is now all over the place on homeopathic forums, college curriculums, homeopathic journals and magazines etc.Similarly, doing a google search for Rajan Sankaran generated 10,800 hits.This was the approach of a typical MBA and a PhD student at an IIM (which i am currently).
Apart from the intuitive arguments that i gave above, i will now give some homeopathic arguments based on the laws of homeopathy.
First is the understanding of how the homeopathic remedies heal.Since you have already read and understood the organon as you earlier mentioned, i will not waste time in quoting the aphorisms etc.But every homeopath knows that the homeopathic remedy (i am loath to use the word drug because of its poisoning connotations)when introduced into a human system first produces 'primary symptoms' (which if the remedy is well chosen) which ideally should be just a little stronger than the disease residing inside, to prevent unnecessary aggravations.Then as a result of this, a slightly stronger remedy induced disease is set up temporarily in that person's system.The natural disease is suspended for the time being as at a point of time only one disease (the stronger one) can exhibit its symptoms.The weaker one (the natural disease) goes into the background.Then the vital force produces a 'secondary action' which has a curative effect beacuse it removes the symptoms produced by the remedy.But since the symptoms produced by a similimum are almost exactly the same as those produced by the natural disease, in this 'secondary action'phase, the symptoms of the natural disease also are extinguished.
Now, with the extremely frequent and standardized remedy prescription protocol of these learned authors, the dangers are three fold.Firstly, we do not give the sufficient time to the vital force to launch and complete its curative 'secondary action, as we are repeating the remedy 4 times a day.By the time the 'primary action' of the first dose is at some stage in its cycle, the next dose is coming and so on.Even if the 'secondary action' has started for an hour or so, the next dose compels the vital force to abort it.As a result of this what will happen is that the natural disease will be suppressed deeper and deeper into the system while the remedy induces disease may graft itself upon the system.Such a case may soon become incurable even by homeopathy.
These are not my personal observations.Any one who has properly understood the Organon, will say the same thing.This has been confirmed again and again by master homeopaths over 200 years of homeopathic practice.
I hope that you do not take my completely academic observation as a personal attack, because i reaffirm my liking for you on a personal basis because of your closeness to Sai Baba.I myself am a devotee of Shirdi Ke Sai Baba.I just wish that you would undertake a serious study of what Hahnemann wrote.If you look at his life story, you can clearly see that it was divinely inspired.The kind of profound insights that he got and the way he wrote them and the manner in which in a single life, he not only discovered but also perfected the system of homeopathy, is not possible without the God Almighty's grace.Some people are messengers of God.He was one of them.
With warm regards.
Rajiv
Thanks for sharing your reference.But there are a few things that i would like to say.First of all is that it seems that the authors seem to have taken their allopathic approach to treatment of diseases over to homeopathy.May be the long time that they spent in pursuing MBBS and MD and years of practice that they must have had under the allopathic system is responsible for this.Now consider this argument please.Even for a very competent allopath, when he starts to study homeopathy, he has to start from scratch like anyone else.Let us say, he completes his MBBS and MD by the age of 30.Then give him say 8-10 years of allopathic practice.So, by the age of 40, he starts to study homeopathy.It will take at least 8-10 years of hard study for a genius to achieve some degree of proficiency in homeopathy.So, at the age of 50, this converted allopath will be sure of his homeopathic methods to convert fully to a practice based on homeopathy.If he has converted say after only 2 or 3 years of study of homeopathy (self study), then his knowledge is half baked.In the earlier case, where he has studied really hard, then he has to gain at least 15-20 odd years of clinical experience before he can be in a position to pass on his wisdom to others.I do know much about these two authors.So, i gave a google search for Dr.Bajaj under homeopathy.65 hits were found.All of them of some or the other site carrying this book for sale.
I could not find a single comment, recommendation or critique of this book by any homeopathic colleagues.So, this book has gone largely unnoticed by the homeopathic community.It cannot thus be termed as a classic or a great book.You know, there are thousands of books published on homeopathy all over the world every year.I cannot use any one of them to base my entire treatment philosophy, unless that book has something of tremendous significance hitherto undiscovered in it.For example, the books by Dr.Luc De Schepper i mentioned.On doing a google search for him, i got 1320 hits.He is now all over the place on homeopathic forums, college curriculums, homeopathic journals and magazines etc.Similarly, doing a google search for Rajan Sankaran generated 10,800 hits.This was the approach of a typical MBA and a PhD student at an IIM (which i am currently).
Apart from the intuitive arguments that i gave above, i will now give some homeopathic arguments based on the laws of homeopathy.
First is the understanding of how the homeopathic remedies heal.Since you have already read and understood the organon as you earlier mentioned, i will not waste time in quoting the aphorisms etc.But every homeopath knows that the homeopathic remedy (i am loath to use the word drug because of its poisoning connotations)when introduced into a human system first produces 'primary symptoms' (which if the remedy is well chosen) which ideally should be just a little stronger than the disease residing inside, to prevent unnecessary aggravations.Then as a result of this, a slightly stronger remedy induced disease is set up temporarily in that person's system.The natural disease is suspended for the time being as at a point of time only one disease (the stronger one) can exhibit its symptoms.The weaker one (the natural disease) goes into the background.Then the vital force produces a 'secondary action' which has a curative effect beacuse it removes the symptoms produced by the remedy.But since the symptoms produced by a similimum are almost exactly the same as those produced by the natural disease, in this 'secondary action'phase, the symptoms of the natural disease also are extinguished.
Now, with the extremely frequent and standardized remedy prescription protocol of these learned authors, the dangers are three fold.Firstly, we do not give the sufficient time to the vital force to launch and complete its curative 'secondary action, as we are repeating the remedy 4 times a day.By the time the 'primary action' of the first dose is at some stage in its cycle, the next dose is coming and so on.Even if the 'secondary action' has started for an hour or so, the next dose compels the vital force to abort it.As a result of this what will happen is that the natural disease will be suppressed deeper and deeper into the system while the remedy induces disease may graft itself upon the system.Such a case may soon become incurable even by homeopathy.
These are not my personal observations.Any one who has properly understood the Organon, will say the same thing.This has been confirmed again and again by master homeopaths over 200 years of homeopathic practice.
I hope that you do not take my completely academic observation as a personal attack, because i reaffirm my liking for you on a personal basis because of your closeness to Sai Baba.I myself am a devotee of Shirdi Ke Sai Baba.I just wish that you would undertake a serious study of what Hahnemann wrote.If you look at his life story, you can clearly see that it was divinely inspired.The kind of profound insights that he got and the way he wrote them and the manner in which in a single life, he not only discovered but also perfected the system of homeopathy, is not possible without the God Almighty's grace.Some people are messengers of God.He was one of them.
With warm regards.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv,
Since you are a student of IIM, you will understand this better.
(Incidentally ..I studied at FMS - New Delhi, NIBM Mumbai and Delhi College of Engineering -DCE.)
From our backgrounds we know ...we are dealing with a large 'population' consisting of users of homeopathy.
A Survey is required..from a 'representative sample' of users.
All your questions will get answered by statstical data and analysis.
There are people 'out there'...who are still questioning the applicability of the very concept of homeopathy.
Only statistical data and analysis can convince them.
I posted the following questions on 'The Moderator' thread. These are not only for Classical Homeopaths...they are for all Homeopaths. These questions were posted in great seriousness and not in a flippant way.
(Yes ... in everything I find the direction of SAI BABA...and all my work is placed at HIS feet every night. In the first place....SAI BABA directed me to ABC in 2003).
All these discussions also have a
Divine direction and will yeild some postive result.
Here is the list of questions.
--------------
1.Does any one have a meter to take a reading that will show pallative action and curative action???
2. Has any one done a research study on which brand of homeopathy has given better results amongst patients ??
3. Has some one taken a representative sample of the population of patients.... as per statistical standards ....and shown the results that a particular method of homeopathic application is more success ful ?
4. Do you have statistics of the sale of combination meds viz. a viz. single meds...from leading manufacturers like Schwabe, Bioron, Reckweg etc
....which ...in absence of a statistical patient survey will work as an indicator?
If the answer is NO ...then all your claims of classical homeopathy being the most effective (REAL....in your words) form of homeopathy are without any basis and do not hold any water.
Pl. be informed.
Before making such claims...get the statistical work done. May be.... the results of such a survey will be an eye opener for you as well as many classical homeopaths.
---------------
Rajiv,
Dr. Hahnemann made a great Hypothesis...(Even if you call them Laws of Homeopathy).
And in his Hypothesis many assumptions are made.
These are not mathematical formulae where you can say LHS = RHS ...hence true.
They all relate to human beings and are for the benefit of a large population of human beings.
These have been applied to human beings for little over 150 years. Dr. Samuel Hahnemann died in 1843.
And they are now being applied everyday in the exact form or in variations.
It is time a Statistical Analysis covering many geographic zones is conducted and results revealed.
Even I don't know what the results will be. But I am very keen to know the result myself....for greater clarity.
I am neither for or against Classical Homeopathy.
I am for the betterment of human society.
However, all progress in the world takes place when some one 'thinks differently'.
Dr. Samuel Hahnemann also did the same. He was a allopathic doctor for many years. He refused to 'toe the line'...and researched a new way.
This world places a premium on 'original thinkers'.
They carry a 'Brand Equity' of their own.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
Since you are a student of IIM, you will understand this better.
(Incidentally ..I studied at FMS - New Delhi, NIBM Mumbai and Delhi College of Engineering -DCE.)
From our backgrounds we know ...we are dealing with a large 'population' consisting of users of homeopathy.
A Survey is required..from a 'representative sample' of users.
All your questions will get answered by statstical data and analysis.
There are people 'out there'...who are still questioning the applicability of the very concept of homeopathy.
Only statistical data and analysis can convince them.
I posted the following questions on 'The Moderator' thread. These are not only for Classical Homeopaths...they are for all Homeopaths. These questions were posted in great seriousness and not in a flippant way.
(Yes ... in everything I find the direction of SAI BABA...and all my work is placed at HIS feet every night. In the first place....SAI BABA directed me to ABC in 2003).
All these discussions also have a
Divine direction and will yeild some postive result.
Here is the list of questions.
--------------
1.Does any one have a meter to take a reading that will show pallative action and curative action???
2. Has any one done a research study on which brand of homeopathy has given better results amongst patients ??
3. Has some one taken a representative sample of the population of patients.... as per statistical standards ....and shown the results that a particular method of homeopathic application is more success ful ?
4. Do you have statistics of the sale of combination meds viz. a viz. single meds...from leading manufacturers like Schwabe, Bioron, Reckweg etc
....which ...in absence of a statistical patient survey will work as an indicator?
If the answer is NO ...then all your claims of classical homeopathy being the most effective (REAL....in your words) form of homeopathy are without any basis and do not hold any water.
Pl. be informed.
Before making such claims...get the statistical work done. May be.... the results of such a survey will be an eye opener for you as well as many classical homeopaths.
---------------
Rajiv,
Dr. Hahnemann made a great Hypothesis...(Even if you call them Laws of Homeopathy).
And in his Hypothesis many assumptions are made.
These are not mathematical formulae where you can say LHS = RHS ...hence true.
They all relate to human beings and are for the benefit of a large population of human beings.
These have been applied to human beings for little over 150 years. Dr. Samuel Hahnemann died in 1843.
And they are now being applied everyday in the exact form or in variations.
It is time a Statistical Analysis covering many geographic zones is conducted and results revealed.
Even I don't know what the results will be. But I am very keen to know the result myself....for greater clarity.
I am neither for or against Classical Homeopathy.
I am for the betterment of human society.
However, all progress in the world takes place when some one 'thinks differently'.
Dr. Samuel Hahnemann also did the same. He was a allopathic doctor for many years. He refused to 'toe the line'...and researched a new way.
This world places a premium on 'original thinkers'.
They carry a 'Brand Equity' of their own.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The important thing is:
Validation of assumptions of all kinds (from The Organon or other wise related to homeopathy) through statistical data collection and analyis through different geographic zones.
Validation of assumptions of all kinds (from The Organon or other wise related to homeopathy) through statistical data collection and analyis through different geographic zones.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Rajiv
We have a poem in Telugu..The rough translation is as follows.
One can obtain oil from sand..
One can drink water from an oasis..
One can obtain a horn of
rabbit..
but you can't make a xxxx to understand..
Murthy
We have a poem in Telugu..The rough translation is as follows.
One can obtain oil from sand..
One can drink water from an oasis..
One can obtain a horn of
rabbit..
but you can't make a xxxx to understand..
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Pankaj,
Glad to know that you have impeccable academic credentials.And of course, i understand Statistics very deeply.IIMC is known for its strength in quantitative techniques.
But coming back to your questions.My answers are as follows:
1. No one has yet developed a meter to measure 'palliative' versus 'curative' action.Not likely in near future too.But there are certain things in nature which are so subtle as to defy being recorded by any meter.This insistence upon developing a meter to measure everything comes from an 'atomistic' view of life on which the modern science is based.But these 'atomistic' assumptions of science have broken down when they have been confronted with the 'quantum world'.In the quantum world, Physicists have come across phenomena which cannot be metered.You need a completely different world view to even begin to understand the quantum world.In fact the question of why the homeopathic remedies work despite them having no material substance can be understood only in the quantum domain.But it is too long a topic for me to go into.
For the current discussion purposes, it is enough to say that everything cannot be 'metered'.For example, a mother's love for the child.It cannot be 'metered' but there are indications that such a love exists from observation.
Similarly, when a curative repsonse starts in a chronic case, the first change happens on the mental/emotional level. the person feels a greater sense of well being, calm, peace etc.These things again the patient himself expresses to the doctor.In a palliative response, the physical symptoms are reduced or eliminated without any improvement on the mental/emotional level.Again it is very much observable.I have personally observed the first case i.e. curative response in close to 400 chronic cases that i have successfully treated.
2.For such a research to be conducted, the homeopaths should feel the need to research.You talk of brands of homeopathy.I feel it is more a case of different styles of homeopathy, as i am not aware of any branding within the field of homeopathy.You can perhaps enlighten me on the matter.
Besides, a viable and widely accepted alternative system of homeopathy in direct contradiction to Hahnemannian homeopathy has to first gain sufficient following for it to gain the merit of deserving such a comparative reearch.As i told you, from your refernce that you mentioned, it is a no contest.Just do a google search for Dr.Bajaj, and then for Samuel Hahnemann.Why would Roger Federer agree to play Tennis with me?As far as any homeopath is concerned, to my knowledge, all of them swear by the name of Hahnemann and the Organon.In fact you are the first 'homeopath' that i have come across who believes that Homeopathy is based on a hypothesis and not a law.
In fact if you look at Newton's third law of motion, you can see the basis of the homeopathic law which is based on the 'primary action' aand secondary action'.Here the first is comparable to Newton's action and the second to Newtonian reaction.We don't say that Newton gave a hypothesis.Do we?It is a law.
3.Its a pity that a neutral party has not undertaken such a study to the best of my knowledge.But i think the representative sample needs to be drawn from among those who were cured under homeopathic treatment and from those who were not.Then after a thorough interview of the patients and study of the treatment styles of the homeopaths concerned, conclusions can be drawn as to which treatment style is most effective.Those who stick to fundamentals of homeopathy or those who violate it.But experience of hundreds of homeopathic masters well recorded in the serious homeopathic literature, and my personal experience of having successfully treated hundreds of people, i personally don't need any such study to convince me.
4.What will the sale statistice prove?Unbranded homeopathic medicine sells for a very low price.The branded multi remedy complexes sell for a huge premium and they are marketed by these big companies.Thus even though no such comparative figures are available, i know that the combination remedies clock a higher turnover.But does that prove that they are better for the patient's health?I don't think so.By that logic, most of the people go to allopaths for treatment who can suppress the symptoms very fast.But does that mean, that allopathy is better than homeopathy?I again don't think so.
With regards.
Rajiv
Glad to know that you have impeccable academic credentials.And of course, i understand Statistics very deeply.IIMC is known for its strength in quantitative techniques.
But coming back to your questions.My answers are as follows:
1. No one has yet developed a meter to measure 'palliative' versus 'curative' action.Not likely in near future too.But there are certain things in nature which are so subtle as to defy being recorded by any meter.This insistence upon developing a meter to measure everything comes from an 'atomistic' view of life on which the modern science is based.But these 'atomistic' assumptions of science have broken down when they have been confronted with the 'quantum world'.In the quantum world, Physicists have come across phenomena which cannot be metered.You need a completely different world view to even begin to understand the quantum world.In fact the question of why the homeopathic remedies work despite them having no material substance can be understood only in the quantum domain.But it is too long a topic for me to go into.
For the current discussion purposes, it is enough to say that everything cannot be 'metered'.For example, a mother's love for the child.It cannot be 'metered' but there are indications that such a love exists from observation.
Similarly, when a curative repsonse starts in a chronic case, the first change happens on the mental/emotional level. the person feels a greater sense of well being, calm, peace etc.These things again the patient himself expresses to the doctor.In a palliative response, the physical symptoms are reduced or eliminated without any improvement on the mental/emotional level.Again it is very much observable.I have personally observed the first case i.e. curative response in close to 400 chronic cases that i have successfully treated.
2.For such a research to be conducted, the homeopaths should feel the need to research.You talk of brands of homeopathy.I feel it is more a case of different styles of homeopathy, as i am not aware of any branding within the field of homeopathy.You can perhaps enlighten me on the matter.
Besides, a viable and widely accepted alternative system of homeopathy in direct contradiction to Hahnemannian homeopathy has to first gain sufficient following for it to gain the merit of deserving such a comparative reearch.As i told you, from your refernce that you mentioned, it is a no contest.Just do a google search for Dr.Bajaj, and then for Samuel Hahnemann.Why would Roger Federer agree to play Tennis with me?As far as any homeopath is concerned, to my knowledge, all of them swear by the name of Hahnemann and the Organon.In fact you are the first 'homeopath' that i have come across who believes that Homeopathy is based on a hypothesis and not a law.
In fact if you look at Newton's third law of motion, you can see the basis of the homeopathic law which is based on the 'primary action' aand secondary action'.Here the first is comparable to Newton's action and the second to Newtonian reaction.We don't say that Newton gave a hypothesis.Do we?It is a law.
3.Its a pity that a neutral party has not undertaken such a study to the best of my knowledge.But i think the representative sample needs to be drawn from among those who were cured under homeopathic treatment and from those who were not.Then after a thorough interview of the patients and study of the treatment styles of the homeopaths concerned, conclusions can be drawn as to which treatment style is most effective.Those who stick to fundamentals of homeopathy or those who violate it.But experience of hundreds of homeopathic masters well recorded in the serious homeopathic literature, and my personal experience of having successfully treated hundreds of people, i personally don't need any such study to convince me.
4.What will the sale statistice prove?Unbranded homeopathic medicine sells for a very low price.The branded multi remedy complexes sell for a huge premium and they are marketed by these big companies.Thus even though no such comparative figures are available, i know that the combination remedies clock a higher turnover.But does that prove that they are better for the patient's health?I don't think so.By that logic, most of the people go to allopaths for treatment who can suppress the symptoms very fast.But does that mean, that allopathy is better than homeopathy?I again don't think so.
With regards.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Hello Mr. Rajiv Prasad. You have very nicely explained how homeopathy remedies work. It was explained in very simple terms. I thank you for that. I visit this site to learn more and more about practical use of homeopathy. I have Materia medica and I refer it many times. I have read about Organon in various discussions on this site. I am interested in buying and studying it please guide me what edition I should buy and who is publisher so that I can search it. I reside in India. I will be thankful for your guidance.
Reiki last decade
To All Homeopaths:
Is there a measure of the 'Vital Force' ?
Is it in Horse Power or Ampere or Lumen or Decibels or any other unit has been established for it??
Where is it housed??
In the blood stream, any organ of the body or any gland of the body or bone of the body or is it in the skin ?
How do you measure the 'Vital Force'...through a chemical test, X-ray, MRI Scan, Ultrasound ,Meter.....with what???
If 'Vital Force' ...can be measured ...only then we can say a particular medicine worked as a pallative or a curative.
Only then can we confirm or deny that repeating a dose has benefitted or acted otherwise.
A lot of things are just being said based on self -made assumptions without scientific data to support the assumptions.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
Is there a measure of the 'Vital Force' ?
Is it in Horse Power or Ampere or Lumen or Decibels or any other unit has been established for it??
Where is it housed??
In the blood stream, any organ of the body or any gland of the body or bone of the body or is it in the skin ?
How do you measure the 'Vital Force'...through a chemical test, X-ray, MRI Scan, Ultrasound ,Meter.....with what???
If 'Vital Force' ...can be measured ...only then we can say a particular medicine worked as a pallative or a curative.
Only then can we confirm or deny that repeating a dose has benefitted or acted otherwise.
A lot of things are just being said based on self -made assumptions without scientific data to support the assumptions.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Reiki
Try Bjain publishers who sell homeopathic books affordable even to common man. The organon by Hahnemann 6th edition is last and incorporates Hahneman's advanced concepts.
This doesn't mean people don't use 4th or 5th edition. Great Homeopath Kent was an adherent of 4th. 4th will be more basic.
Address of publisher:
1921, Chuna Mandi, 10th Street, Paharganj, New Delhi-55
Try Bjain publishers who sell homeopathic books affordable even to common man. The organon by Hahnemann 6th edition is last and incorporates Hahneman's advanced concepts.
This doesn't mean people don't use 4th or 5th edition. Great Homeopath Kent was an adherent of 4th. 4th will be more basic.
Address of publisher:
1921, Chuna Mandi, 10th Street, Paharganj, New Delhi-55
♡ maheeru last decade
Hi Rajiv
The more you are trying to limit the damage and restore the confidence of a particular person, it is unfortunately resulting in exposing the hollowness of his knoweledge, and it is ver clear now that he never read Organon, or if he has read it, never understood it.
See the questions on Vital force.
I never expected that a person who claims as a homeopath questions like this.
So, he doesn't believe in vital force. He doesn't believe in anything which Hann..and all the masters down the line said.
I have one basic question.
How does he believe that homeopathic medicines work?
There is no material substance in them.No body can tell apart a Puls 200 from Sulph 200, by any test on this earth.
By his logic he should agree that medicines are nothing but water/alcohol.
How he expects them to cure a patient?
How he is prescribing them confidently all these years?
Does he think the homeopathic medicies work by magic?
My goodness. I thought these people have some basic knowledge at least.
How sadly mistaken I was!!
Murthy
The more you are trying to limit the damage and restore the confidence of a particular person, it is unfortunately resulting in exposing the hollowness of his knoweledge, and it is ver clear now that he never read Organon, or if he has read it, never understood it.
See the questions on Vital force.
I never expected that a person who claims as a homeopath questions like this.
So, he doesn't believe in vital force. He doesn't believe in anything which Hann..and all the masters down the line said.
I have one basic question.
How does he believe that homeopathic medicines work?
There is no material substance in them.No body can tell apart a Puls 200 from Sulph 200, by any test on this earth.
By his logic he should agree that medicines are nothing but water/alcohol.
How he expects them to cure a patient?
How he is prescribing them confidently all these years?
Does he think the homeopathic medicies work by magic?
My goodness. I thought these people have some basic knowledge at least.
How sadly mistaken I was!!
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Rajiv,
Measurement of Love and Anger.
It has been scientifically proved that the human brain emits waves....called Alpha, Beta and Gama rays.
When a person is expressing love vs. when a person is expressing anger....the profile of the waves is radically different.
In a state of meditation or at the time you sing Bhajans..the profile of the brain waves changes even further.
Scientists have mapped the brain waves in different mental states. So I donot agree with your contention that there is no way to measure Love.
I think the lie detector test also is based on this technology (can some one confirm??)
(Don't share this info with your wife/girlfriend).
Pankaj Varma
Measurement of Love and Anger.
It has been scientifically proved that the human brain emits waves....called Alpha, Beta and Gama rays.
When a person is expressing love vs. when a person is expressing anger....the profile of the waves is radically different.
In a state of meditation or at the time you sing Bhajans..the profile of the brain waves changes even further.
Scientists have mapped the brain waves in different mental states. So I donot agree with your contention that there is no way to measure Love.
I think the lie detector test also is based on this technology (can some one confirm??)
(Don't share this info with your wife/girlfriend).
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I had said 'in the absence of statistical data'....
(on homeopathic treatment of patients)...one could use some commercial data on the sale of different kinds of meds...to get a feel of which mode of homeopathy was working better for the patients.
(on homeopathic treatment of patients)...one could use some commercial data on the sale of different kinds of meds...to get a feel of which mode of homeopathy was working better for the patients.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
Can the vital force be measured in amperes etc.No, it cannot.
But then can love be measured in amperes etc.?No.It cannot.Does it exist?Yes.It does.Similarly, the vital force, what is known as 'Prana' in Ayurveda and Yoga exists.It is surprising that you don't believe in this.What is the vital force?It is nothing but the divine energy that permeates each and everything in the universe.But if all this is false, then how an inanimate thing like sand when potentized becomes the most powerful 'Silicea' of homeopathy?It is the 'vital force' of the sand that becomes 'Silicea'.
It is this 'vital force' of the universe in which people like Sai Baba are connected directly and hence experience the God within.It is really surprising that despite your spirituality you don't believe in it.Any way i can't do anything further to help with what you chose to believe in.
But i would like to point out to the people who are reading this that vital force is a basic concept in homeopathy which has never been disputed by any homeopath.Otherwise only a fool will administer only alcohol or the sugar of milk expecting it to cure deadly diseases, because all remedies above 12C have crossed the Avogadro's Number and hence there is no material of the original remedy substance present.
If there is no vital force, then can you please explain what force is released from a sand particle by diluting and succussing?
Rajiv
Can the vital force be measured in amperes etc.No, it cannot.
But then can love be measured in amperes etc.?No.It cannot.Does it exist?Yes.It does.Similarly, the vital force, what is known as 'Prana' in Ayurveda and Yoga exists.It is surprising that you don't believe in this.What is the vital force?It is nothing but the divine energy that permeates each and everything in the universe.But if all this is false, then how an inanimate thing like sand when potentized becomes the most powerful 'Silicea' of homeopathy?It is the 'vital force' of the sand that becomes 'Silicea'.
It is this 'vital force' of the universe in which people like Sai Baba are connected directly and hence experience the God within.It is really surprising that despite your spirituality you don't believe in it.Any way i can't do anything further to help with what you chose to believe in.
But i would like to point out to the people who are reading this that vital force is a basic concept in homeopathy which has never been disputed by any homeopath.Otherwise only a fool will administer only alcohol or the sugar of milk expecting it to cure deadly diseases, because all remedies above 12C have crossed the Avogadro's Number and hence there is no material of the original remedy substance present.
If there is no vital force, then can you please explain what force is released from a sand particle by diluting and succussing?
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Reading what Murthy is writing...why are homeopaths shy of scientific investigation of their work ????
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Did I say there is no 'Vital Force' ??
I said...how do you measure it?
I said...where is it housed ???
If I didn't believe in it...how would I ask anybody to measure it !!
If you can measure it...many of your questions that generate great debate...will be answered...and there will be no room for ambiguity.
Those who are talking of the Organon...please widen your horizons...I am talking about ...what next !!
Look beyond the wall.
Pankaj Varma
I said...how do you measure it?
I said...where is it housed ???
If I didn't believe in it...how would I ask anybody to measure it !!
If you can measure it...many of your questions that generate great debate...will be answered...and there will be no room for ambiguity.
Those who are talking of the Organon...please widen your horizons...I am talking about ...what next !!
Look beyond the wall.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Rajiv and Pankaj
Some school of thought consider this vital force is another name of the soul. I give one of the books which supports this theory:
Homeopathy(Like cures Like)
Author: Mirza Tahir Ahmad
Kent sometimes philsophically touches on this topic to equate the vital force to human soul.
Some school of thought consider this vital force is another name of the soul. I give one of the books which supports this theory:
Homeopathy(Like cures Like)
Author: Mirza Tahir Ahmad
Kent sometimes philsophically touches on this topic to equate the vital force to human soul.
♡ maheeru last decade
Dear Mr.Murthy,
I am also extremely surprised by the sheer bluff, bluster and obstinacy of this man.He has been cornered and hence is trying to wriggle out through these brazen techniques.None of his usual friends are coming to his rescue because of the scholarly opposition that he is pitted against.These bluffs may work with amateurs and ignorant patients, but not with a hard core pro likeme.I am a professional researcher from the most prestigious academic institution in India. I have been patient so far and very respectful as it is my nature.
But that does not mean that a person so ill informed about the basics of homeopathy can be allowed to rule a forum like this.The lives and health of patients are too precious to be trifled with.
Any way i will not honour him any more with the privilege of debating with me.
May Sai Baba bless him with some sense.
Rajiv
I am also extremely surprised by the sheer bluff, bluster and obstinacy of this man.He has been cornered and hence is trying to wriggle out through these brazen techniques.None of his usual friends are coming to his rescue because of the scholarly opposition that he is pitted against.These bluffs may work with amateurs and ignorant patients, but not with a hard core pro likeme.I am a professional researcher from the most prestigious academic institution in India. I have been patient so far and very respectful as it is my nature.
But that does not mean that a person so ill informed about the basics of homeopathy can be allowed to rule a forum like this.The lives and health of patients are too precious to be trifled with.
Any way i will not honour him any more with the privilege of debating with me.
May Sai Baba bless him with some sense.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Pankaj,
It is at least a saving grace that you believe in vital force.Your denial of that had shaken my very foundations.I was totally taken aback as i didn't consider you capable of such ignorance.But then i am glad that you at least acknowledge its presence.
But then, that is not enough to qualify as a homeopath.Question of what next after Organon is ok.But the first question is what about the organon? When will you read it?If you have read it, when will you understand it?If you have understood it, then when will you demonstrate that knowledge in your practice of homeopathy?
You know God has pitted you against so many questions at this point of your life?It is life that is asking you these questions?Either you can be honest with your answers or you can use your usual technique of bluster and bravado.But unfortunately, the more the arrogance, the more one alienates one's higher self.
With best wishes.
Rajiv
It is at least a saving grace that you believe in vital force.Your denial of that had shaken my very foundations.I was totally taken aback as i didn't consider you capable of such ignorance.But then i am glad that you at least acknowledge its presence.
But then, that is not enough to qualify as a homeopath.Question of what next after Organon is ok.But the first question is what about the organon? When will you read it?If you have read it, when will you understand it?If you have understood it, then when will you demonstrate that knowledge in your practice of homeopathy?
You know God has pitted you against so many questions at this point of your life?It is life that is asking you these questions?Either you can be honest with your answers or you can use your usual technique of bluster and bravado.But unfortunately, the more the arrogance, the more one alienates one's higher self.
With best wishes.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Hi Pankaj
O.K. You believe in vital force ,but only want to measure it.
Have you ever heard of Kirlian photography?
Did you read the correlation Dr.G.V.(George Vithoulkus) makes between the vital force and Kirlian Photography?
Do you know that he believes that the day is not far, to study the aura of the patient, and to prescribe homeopathic medicines based on that?
You have not answered why do you believe homeo medicies work.
Murthy
O.K. You believe in vital force ,but only want to measure it.
Have you ever heard of Kirlian photography?
Did you read the correlation Dr.G.V.(George Vithoulkus) makes between the vital force and Kirlian Photography?
Do you know that he believes that the day is not far, to study the aura of the patient, and to prescribe homeopathic medicines based on that?
You have not answered why do you believe homeo medicies work.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi Rajiv
Our posts crossed.
I too had some regard towards Mr.Pankaj, but it is totally evaporated now.
I will try to save the posters from this man, even if it means allotting a time slot for it,daily.
Let us hope better sense prevails in him and he can come out of his foolish ideas.
Murthy
Our posts crossed.
I too had some regard towards Mr.Pankaj, but it is totally evaporated now.
I will try to save the posters from this man, even if it means allotting a time slot for it,daily.
Let us hope better sense prevails in him and he can come out of his foolish ideas.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Rajiv Prasad,
You are like a TV Channel Reporter who is well versed in the art of twisting statements...to suit his convenience !!
The questions that I have raised are very pertinent to the survival of homeopathy.
The allopaths of his time said similar things to Dr. Samuel Hahnemann when he questioned their wisdom !!
But new progress only takes place when established 'wisdom' is questioned. Which I am doing !
In the first place I am not ruling the Forum...I am a mere member. For me SAI BABA decides where to be....so don't worry.
You guys want to take over helping others..fine with me..coz the same cause is being served....for which I am here.
Pankaj Varma
You are like a TV Channel Reporter who is well versed in the art of twisting statements...to suit his convenience !!
The questions that I have raised are very pertinent to the survival of homeopathy.
The allopaths of his time said similar things to Dr. Samuel Hahnemann when he questioned their wisdom !!
But new progress only takes place when established 'wisdom' is questioned. Which I am doing !
In the first place I am not ruling the Forum...I am a mere member. For me SAI BABA decides where to be....so don't worry.
You guys want to take over helping others..fine with me..coz the same cause is being served....for which I am here.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The Aura of human beings has already been mapped and studied...let the new techniques in homeopathy come....they are good for all...will cut out lot of debate.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
Now, you are becoming more and more ridiculous.'Human aura has been mapped and studied... Let the new techniques in homeopathy come...they are good for all...will cut out lot of debate.'
What do you mean?A new thing beyond the aura, with in the aura or what.The more you write the more hollow you appear.
I am like a TV reporter!!Thanks for this compliment.I gave so much respect to you from the beginning because i thought of you as a spiritual person and a devotee of Sai Baba.But i am very sorry to say that i am very disappointed.There are a lot of foreigners also reading all this.If you do not stop your antics, you are bringing disrepute to your Guru's revered name too.
How easily you lie?You said that you have read all the classic books of homeopathy and much more?Now we know better.Every homeopath worth his salt will know from all these ridiculous statements of yours, how much you have read.Reading and prescribing from such stupid books as you mentioned as your bible at the beginning of this thread does not make one a homeopath.Forget becoming a good one.
You questioned what next after Hahnemann and the Organon?It seems that for you it is Drs. Bajaj and his colleague after Hahnemann and their brilliant book after the Organon.I leave the readers of this thread to make their own judgement as to what to make of you as a homeopath.
Any way.All the best.
Rajiv
Now, you are becoming more and more ridiculous.'Human aura has been mapped and studied... Let the new techniques in homeopathy come...they are good for all...will cut out lot of debate.'
What do you mean?A new thing beyond the aura, with in the aura or what.The more you write the more hollow you appear.
I am like a TV reporter!!Thanks for this compliment.I gave so much respect to you from the beginning because i thought of you as a spiritual person and a devotee of Sai Baba.But i am very sorry to say that i am very disappointed.There are a lot of foreigners also reading all this.If you do not stop your antics, you are bringing disrepute to your Guru's revered name too.
How easily you lie?You said that you have read all the classic books of homeopathy and much more?Now we know better.Every homeopath worth his salt will know from all these ridiculous statements of yours, how much you have read.Reading and prescribing from such stupid books as you mentioned as your bible at the beginning of this thread does not make one a homeopath.Forget becoming a good one.
You questioned what next after Hahnemann and the Organon?It seems that for you it is Drs. Bajaj and his colleague after Hahnemann and their brilliant book after the Organon.I leave the readers of this thread to make their own judgement as to what to make of you as a homeopath.
Any way.All the best.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
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