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miasms - which remedy
Hi there.I am trying to cure a sycotic miasm for myself that is ruining my life. The 2 remedies of choice are thuj and nitric acid. Both fit the picture, but with MENTALS I get slightly more 3s with nit ac in the repertory and I get some 3s but mostly 2s for Thuj.
In the rest of the repertory thuj fits a little more than nitric acid, but not by much.
Main complaints are chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, asthma and great irritability, anxiety and anger, etc.
I have EXTREMELY sensitive and prove each remedy so I have been taking thuj. 6C for 2 wks now split dose method with only 1 succussion every other day. I have not had much success though. Little, if any. If I up the succussions I get a very anxious feeling in the pit of my stomach. I guess this is a proving. I have proved thuj on 9C in the past. Got very depressed.
I bought Nit. ac. 6C dry dose before I started this 2 weeks of thuj and only took 2 pellets one day. Within an hour I was proving the remedy. I got viscious at my husband that night and was very, very cranky the next day. (He is a good man and very tolerant. He deserves that I find a good remedy for me.)I gave up on the nit ac at that point and went back to the thuj. which is where I am now.
My question is, should I stay with the thuj a while longer or should I try to go to the nitric ac and split dose it at 6C?
I have read with sycotic miasm that thuj is first choice followed by nit ac.
Can anyone offer some advice? Thx.
maryo on 2005-04-01
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hi erika,
Mentals are: irritability, anxious, overwhelmed, anger even at small things. These are the main ones, I guess.
Sometimes feels the irritablity in between shoulder blades in back.
Fear. Sometimes felt in pit of stomach.
Concerned if people like me.
Feels that they don't (and many don't, I think)
No true friends.
Sympathetic to people in need or that are sick.
Can be rude and abusive, especially at home.
Annoyed.
Complaining.
critical
depression
Haughty
estranged from people and
family
moody
screams
can get rageful on occasion
worries.
malicious
Sad, but true. I hope this isn't too much.
When I feel good, I can be charming and well liked. When I don't feel well or are very stressed, I can get nasty especially to my husband whom I love very much.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Mentals are: irritability, anxious, overwhelmed, anger even at small things. These are the main ones, I guess.
Sometimes feels the irritablity in between shoulder blades in back.
Fear. Sometimes felt in pit of stomach.
Concerned if people like me.
Feels that they don't (and many don't, I think)
No true friends.
Sympathetic to people in need or that are sick.
Can be rude and abusive, especially at home.
Annoyed.
Complaining.
critical
depression
Haughty
estranged from people and
family
moody
screams
can get rageful on occasion
worries.
malicious
Sad, but true. I hope this isn't too much.
When I feel good, I can be charming and well liked. When I don't feel well or are very stressed, I can get nasty especially to my husband whom I love very much.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
maryo last decade
maryo last decade
Sooo sorry,
I want to tell you the Chronic Fatigue is awful. I'm not sure if it is depression or fatigue. But if it's depression, that would be a major symptom for me.
I want to tell you the Chronic Fatigue is awful. I'm not sure if it is depression or fatigue. But if it's depression, that would be a major symptom for me.
maryo last decade
back sooner than i thought - when did the chronic fatigue start? do you have children and did any of the problems start after childbirth?
erika last decade
Hi,
I'm 47 now. It started in my early 20s. My only child was born 8 years ago. But unfortunately I did have 2 abortions right around the time the Chronic fatigue started.
Also, it is hard to tell if it didn't start earlier than my 20s. I was addicted to diet pills for about 5 years before that, so it could have masked the fatigue.
I'm 47 now. It started in my early 20s. My only child was born 8 years ago. But unfortunately I did have 2 abortions right around the time the Chronic fatigue started.
Also, it is hard to tell if it didn't start earlier than my 20s. I was addicted to diet pills for about 5 years before that, so it could have masked the fatigue.
maryo last decade
Also, Erika, before the fatigue started I had very heavy mercury work done in my mouth. I had 20 fillings in one year. I also developed hypothyroid (Hashimoto's) disease around 21-22.
maryo last decade
are you on medication for your hashimotos?
when you had the work done in your mouth do you mean you had mercury fillings taken out or put in?
when you had the work done in your mouth do you mean you had mercury fillings taken out or put in?
erika last decade
maryo last decade
it's worth you reading about aurum met., kali-carb., staph., and thyroidinum. there are others but these come most to mind at the moment.
I can see the nit-ac and thuja but if you are proving them then they could either be not suited to your symptoms at present or you could be oversensitive - if very oversensitive then read up on merc. sol. as well
mercury can be measured by some dentists in the mouth.
I can see the nit-ac and thuja but if you are proving them then they could either be not suited to your symptoms at present or you could be oversensitive - if very oversensitive then read up on merc. sol. as well
mercury can be measured by some dentists in the mouth.
erika last decade
Thanks, Erika. I'll look at them in the materia medica, see how they fit.
I did have some of the mercury removed, but I was told that this can also open up a can of worms, so to speak.
I did have some of the mercury removed, but I was told that this can also open up a can of worms, so to speak.
maryo last decade
if you have mercury removed the dentist can help by using a 'dam' to stop you swallowing during treatment. there are also suggested vitamin treatments to take to help detox. aurum, merc. and others homeopathically can help detox depending on symptoms fitting. the main 'can of worms' opened is the fact that the vapour/mercury is released and it gets into your system. if fillings are not leaking they do not cause a problem usually, unless you are very sensitive to the mercury. leaky fillings can be detected by the vapour in your mouth being measured - you have to find a dentist with the right equipment and you may have to have a big purse!!!
erika last decade
When I had some of the fillings removed, he used the dam. I got rid of half of it, but I think I'll leave the rest. He charged a small fortune.
I looked at the remedies you mentioned. Staph might be a possibility. I need to look at it closer.
So if the thuj isn't working by now, do you think it probably won't? It's a tough case. There was much I didn't mention from childhood on so it's hard to decide. Staph might be good though, thanks again.
I looked at the remedies you mentioned. Staph might be a possibility. I need to look at it closer.
So if the thuj isn't working by now, do you think it probably won't? It's a tough case. There was much I didn't mention from childhood on so it's hard to decide. Staph might be good though, thanks again.
maryo last decade
from what you have written thuja sounds like it's not working for you. let me know what you decide to take. :)
erika last decade
Erika,
I have a question for you on the staph. From the materia medica under MANY of my mental symptoms Staph fits.
The chronic fatigue started about 25 yrs ago as I said. I was kind of a victim in a few situations at that time that might not have been addressed by me. However, the personality profile of staph doesn't really fit me. Being passive, keeping the anger in, a victim-type. I more shoot from the hip, say what I mean, am more aggressive.
Could this still help me? I ordered the remedy anyhow. I should get it in a couple of days.
My concern is I just took thuj for 2 1/2 weeks and by the end of that time I couldn't get off the couch for 3 days. I have aggravated or proved almost every remedy I take, except for 3 wks I took Dulc 9C once and did very well. Then it stopped working even if I increased the potency.
Please let me know what you think about the staph. Also I came from a family mom and dad were alcoholics and dad was physically violent. Isn't that Staph? But it was long ago.
I have a question for you on the staph. From the materia medica under MANY of my mental symptoms Staph fits.
The chronic fatigue started about 25 yrs ago as I said. I was kind of a victim in a few situations at that time that might not have been addressed by me. However, the personality profile of staph doesn't really fit me. Being passive, keeping the anger in, a victim-type. I more shoot from the hip, say what I mean, am more aggressive.
Could this still help me? I ordered the remedy anyhow. I should get it in a couple of days.
My concern is I just took thuj for 2 1/2 weeks and by the end of that time I couldn't get off the couch for 3 days. I have aggravated or proved almost every remedy I take, except for 3 wks I took Dulc 9C once and did very well. Then it stopped working even if I increased the potency.
Please let me know what you think about the staph. Also I came from a family mom and dad were alcoholics and dad was physically violent. Isn't that Staph? But it was long ago.
maryo last decade
if many of the bold type symptoms fit then it could be a good remedy for you.
E.g. Staph = great indignation about things done by others or by himself. Altho staph bottles things up this leads to reactions like indignation/anger. There are other remedies that help with being 'bullied', dominated etc.
staph also helps the body deal with mercury poisoning.
if you are sensitive to remedies then take them once or twice a week to begin. what potency of staph did you order?
E.g. Staph = great indignation about things done by others or by himself. Altho staph bottles things up this leads to reactions like indignation/anger. There are other remedies that help with being 'bullied', dominated etc.
staph also helps the body deal with mercury poisoning.
if you are sensitive to remedies then take them once or twice a week to begin. what potency of staph did you order?
erika last decade
Hi Erika,
I ordered Staph 6C. I'm trying to follow instructions from the books of Dr. Luc DeSchepper. Have you ever heard of him? His books are really good. He says if you are very sensitive to start with 6C and plus it. It seems I still aggravate with a split dose of 6C though even when I use 3 cups.
I have indignation if people don't treat me fairly especially at work. I will go over it again and again thinking about it, sometimes adding little scenarios that didn't even happen.
I don't really speak out at work. I kind of have to keep things to myself or I tell another friend who has a similar problem as me. She and I feel like we are bullied in effect by other people who work there.
The thing is though, the chronic fatigue started 25 yrs. ago. I'm trying to go back to the "never well since" and get a remedy that fits from then.
I had the mercury put in back then, plus a few other events. I'll give it a try.
Can taking the wrong remedies confuse the picture?
I ordered Staph 6C. I'm trying to follow instructions from the books of Dr. Luc DeSchepper. Have you ever heard of him? His books are really good. He says if you are very sensitive to start with 6C and plus it. It seems I still aggravate with a split dose of 6C though even when I use 3 cups.
I have indignation if people don't treat me fairly especially at work. I will go over it again and again thinking about it, sometimes adding little scenarios that didn't even happen.
I don't really speak out at work. I kind of have to keep things to myself or I tell another friend who has a similar problem as me. She and I feel like we are bullied in effect by other people who work there.
The thing is though, the chronic fatigue started 25 yrs. ago. I'm trying to go back to the "never well since" and get a remedy that fits from then.
I had the mercury put in back then, plus a few other events. I'll give it a try.
Can taking the wrong remedies confuse the picture?
maryo last decade
there are no wrong remedies only ones more suitable, less suitable or not suitable. If the remedy does not fit it will not confuse it just won't be effective. Staph can help all you have mentioned and chronic fatigue. what is the never been well since symptom you refer to - sorry, I'm being too lazy to read right back and find it I think!!!
I understand the plussing of the remedies and use it often, it is very good and lessens aggravations, but different people mean different things by a split dose - could you explain what you mean in this instance by split dose?
I understand the plussing of the remedies and use it often, it is very good and lessens aggravations, but different people mean different things by a split dose - could you explain what you mean in this instance by split dose?
erika last decade
Hi Erika,
To fix the chronic fatigue I understand I have to go back to when it first started, the "never well since" time which is 25 yrs. ago. I thought back to around the time I was 20 and I had incidents that happened that were extremely emotional for me. My grandmother also died around that time who I was very close to, and I had all the mercury work done on my teeth. Staph probably fits that picture (for what little I know).
From what I understand the split dose is really another name for plussing. When you're very sensitive, as I am, you're supposed to make a mother batch, 1 pellet in a water bottle, hit it once or more, take a teaspoon of that and put it in a cup with 4 to 6 ounces of water stir 20 times, take another teaspoon and put it in another cup with 4 to 6 ounces of water, stir that, then take 1 teaspoon or less.
The more cups you use the more sensitive you are. I usually use 3 cups. You can reuse cups as long as it's the same remedy I heard.
To fix the chronic fatigue I understand I have to go back to when it first started, the "never well since" time which is 25 yrs. ago. I thought back to around the time I was 20 and I had incidents that happened that were extremely emotional for me. My grandmother also died around that time who I was very close to, and I had all the mercury work done on my teeth. Staph probably fits that picture (for what little I know).
From what I understand the split dose is really another name for plussing. When you're very sensitive, as I am, you're supposed to make a mother batch, 1 pellet in a water bottle, hit it once or more, take a teaspoon of that and put it in a cup with 4 to 6 ounces of water stir 20 times, take another teaspoon and put it in another cup with 4 to 6 ounces of water, stir that, then take 1 teaspoon or less.
The more cups you use the more sensitive you are. I usually use 3 cups. You can reuse cups as long as it's the same remedy I heard.
maryo last decade
Also, Erika, I was wondering how you came up with those remedies for me. Did you use a computer or from memory or did you look the symptoms up in the repertory?
Just curious.
Let me ask you. When trying to find a remedy should you limit the symptoms you look up to the most severe or should you look at as many symptoms as possible?
Just curious.
Let me ask you. When trying to find a remedy should you limit the symptoms you look up to the most severe or should you look at as many symptoms as possible?
maryo last decade
Hi elle
I take keynote symptoms - main symptoms and read up on the remedies in mat med and in memory, also linking in botanical books and herbals if I need more info. I can't afford a computer set-up, but have tried and find it limiting not same freedom of books!!!
Once looked up I compare the remedies.
this is all of course overridden if there is a NBWS (never been well since) or a definite ongoing maintaining causation.
staph came through on most of the symptoms you gave, even if not always in bold type - but as I haven't got a full case presentation from you I can't be totally sure - that's where you are doing the work to compare this to the others suggested and to others you find. This comparison needs to be done by you as I have not got all symptoms from you that I would need to be totally sure and some of the questions I would need to ask would be too private for a forum case.
Staph can be very charming and mild and does not usually like confrontation but the feeling suppressed due to this are a bit like a kettle not letting off steam when it needs to - at some point an explosion of emotions will come, either smashing crockery or getting at loved ones over trivia. The anger suppressed is usually anger at being unjustly treated. staph has history of being dominated, history of invasive dental procedures incl mercury (very invasive), and of invasive medical procedures- particularly on areas like mouth, vagina, womb. Sometimes the emotional suppression is released through self-harming - sometimes this is evident in lots of body piercings (ears, tummy button etc). these are keynotes of staph - there are a couple of others.
A lot of symptoms come from observing my patients in front of me and listening carefully to their use of language, which I cannot do here of course!!!
to answer on your symptoms looking up - if a severe symptoms means a symptom that is affecting you on a daily basis and hindering you from getting on with life then yes this must me one of the main symptoms taken. For example - paralysis in a limb is very severe but may not be the crux of treatment if the patient hardly notices it anymore and it does not hinder their life - it is good if that is in the picture of the remedy chosen as that helps confirm the remedy but probably not what is presenting to be treated at first.
Your main symptoms I included are the chronic fatigue, mercury work, the most prominent from the emotional you listed, + the possible emotional effects of your abortions and diet pills (I say possible because I cannot know for sure if this had a lasting emotional/physical effect or not from forum - I do not presume what I do not know).
Never look up too many symptoms as you can be led down too many paths. Always have good modalities and generals + keynote symptoms.
Our understanding of split dose is different - the split dose I use is using pellets and dividing a dose over a particular time scale - either over 24 hours or weeks.
With the plussing this is similar but different to the method I was taught - I usually put 1 pellet in a 25ml dropper bottle and fill with a little brandy and mostly spring water. For each dose shake the bottle and take a drop - if you are too sensitive to this then just 1 drop (rather than a teaspoon) is diluted further into cups as you describe.
I take keynote symptoms - main symptoms and read up on the remedies in mat med and in memory, also linking in botanical books and herbals if I need more info. I can't afford a computer set-up, but have tried and find it limiting not same freedom of books!!!
Once looked up I compare the remedies.
this is all of course overridden if there is a NBWS (never been well since) or a definite ongoing maintaining causation.
staph came through on most of the symptoms you gave, even if not always in bold type - but as I haven't got a full case presentation from you I can't be totally sure - that's where you are doing the work to compare this to the others suggested and to others you find. This comparison needs to be done by you as I have not got all symptoms from you that I would need to be totally sure and some of the questions I would need to ask would be too private for a forum case.
Staph can be very charming and mild and does not usually like confrontation but the feeling suppressed due to this are a bit like a kettle not letting off steam when it needs to - at some point an explosion of emotions will come, either smashing crockery or getting at loved ones over trivia. The anger suppressed is usually anger at being unjustly treated. staph has history of being dominated, history of invasive dental procedures incl mercury (very invasive), and of invasive medical procedures- particularly on areas like mouth, vagina, womb. Sometimes the emotional suppression is released through self-harming - sometimes this is evident in lots of body piercings (ears, tummy button etc). these are keynotes of staph - there are a couple of others.
A lot of symptoms come from observing my patients in front of me and listening carefully to their use of language, which I cannot do here of course!!!
to answer on your symptoms looking up - if a severe symptoms means a symptom that is affecting you on a daily basis and hindering you from getting on with life then yes this must me one of the main symptoms taken. For example - paralysis in a limb is very severe but may not be the crux of treatment if the patient hardly notices it anymore and it does not hinder their life - it is good if that is in the picture of the remedy chosen as that helps confirm the remedy but probably not what is presenting to be treated at first.
Your main symptoms I included are the chronic fatigue, mercury work, the most prominent from the emotional you listed, + the possible emotional effects of your abortions and diet pills (I say possible because I cannot know for sure if this had a lasting emotional/physical effect or not from forum - I do not presume what I do not know).
Never look up too many symptoms as you can be led down too many paths. Always have good modalities and generals + keynote symptoms.
Our understanding of split dose is different - the split dose I use is using pellets and dividing a dose over a particular time scale - either over 24 hours or weeks.
With the plussing this is similar but different to the method I was taught - I usually put 1 pellet in a 25ml dropper bottle and fill with a little brandy and mostly spring water. For each dose shake the bottle and take a drop - if you are too sensitive to this then just 1 drop (rather than a teaspoon) is diluted further into cups as you describe.
erika last decade
Erika,
Thanks so much for all the info. I'll let you know what happens with the staph. I still think I'm going to try it.
My mistake describing the split dose. How you describe sounds like what I do. I forgot to add that every other day (in lower potencies) you take a teaspoon or less from mother batch, put in cup and take teaspoon from there. Luc DeSchepper's book says take teaspoon or if very sensitive take less (enough not to aggravate)
His book is my only point of reference. I have been to 3 professional homeopaths, and I was not able to get help. I think this was due to they were using 30C and 200C potencies. I am way too sensitive for that. I was running to the doctors going for MRIs my aggravations were so bad. I was going to give up with homeopathy and then I read his books "Achieving and Maintaining the Simillimum" and "Hahnemann Revisited".
I'm still not sure it's going to work for me. I've never really seen big cures with homeopathy yet. I don't doubt they happen. I've tried everything else holistic which helps but homeopathy offers a cure. Hopefully I'll find the right remedies to help me.
Thanks again for all your help and teaching.
Thanks so much for all the info. I'll let you know what happens with the staph. I still think I'm going to try it.
My mistake describing the split dose. How you describe sounds like what I do. I forgot to add that every other day (in lower potencies) you take a teaspoon or less from mother batch, put in cup and take teaspoon from there. Luc DeSchepper's book says take teaspoon or if very sensitive take less (enough not to aggravate)
His book is my only point of reference. I have been to 3 professional homeopaths, and I was not able to get help. I think this was due to they were using 30C and 200C potencies. I am way too sensitive for that. I was running to the doctors going for MRIs my aggravations were so bad. I was going to give up with homeopathy and then I read his books "Achieving and Maintaining the Simillimum" and "Hahnemann Revisited".
I'm still not sure it's going to work for me. I've never really seen big cures with homeopathy yet. I don't doubt they happen. I've tried everything else holistic which helps but homeopathy offers a cure. Hopefully I'll find the right remedies to help me.
Thanks again for all your help and teaching.
maryo last decade
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