bandarbabu2000

Yeah, when you died:

(This post contains an image. To view the image, please log on.)

To Girilal

Your post is not in good taste and is not fair.

Gavini and I have reached an understanding and we will not be attacking each other as we used to do in the past.

Joe

To Gavini

As I remember, Simon revalidated your original ID 'Bandarababu' but you later changed it to Murthy and your ID today is Gavinimurthy. Simon also banned Nisha at about that time and later revalidated her ID at he plea but she later changed it to Nesha India instead of her given name Nisha.

I wonder where Nisha is today. Did you know that she even visited Titus Stores around 2006 and met Johan my son, who did not know who she was and did not understand the purpose of her visit. She reported this meeting on the ABC and even mentioned Johan by name. She also warned me that she had left some 'charm' behind in the showroom which she stated was designed to slowly work against me and exterminate me. As you can see her charm did not succeed as she had hoped.

I hope that I will succeed in tracing her post on the ABC which I shall try to do when I have some time.

Joe.

To Gavini

I feed that it would be a wonderful idea for us to talk to each other on Skype when we can resolve many outstanding issues which will help us in our future relationship on the ABC.

Skype is an excellent medium to do so and we will be able to see each other and you will be able to see how I look at 81 years of age. I am sure that you have the Skype software and use a laptop which incorporates a webcam above the monitor.

My Skype ID is Joedelivera and I shall look forward to having a chat with you in the near future.

Joe

To Girilal (Praveen W)

I would welcome you on Skype if you read this post in time before I sign off which I usually do around midnight OT.

Joe

Joe and Gavini,

What homeopathic remedy did you take in order to get along? What potency?

Dear Joe

I responded in the amusement at Gavini's suborn as well useless persistence.

Dear Joe

I too feel we should interact face to face. I will inform you when I am ready.

Giri

You must have observed that I am not the die hard classical homeopath any more.

I now appreciate that homeopathic medicines are capable of curing even when used in the non classical way.

Perhaps Varun's book has an answer. Let us wait for it.

Murthy

Dear Joe,
Gavini decided to bury the hatchet ??

Hope you are not playing a prank on us all !!!!

Pankaj Varma

I would like to know which homeopathic medicine Gavini has taken, from which repertory he could locate such a med and in which Materia Medica the drug picture of the medicine is given ??

Pl.enlighten me.

Many thanks to all of you.

Pankaj Varma

Dear Pankaj,

I would like to quote Virgil below in reply to your question.

Love conquers all things; let us too surrender to Love.

Virgil

Medicne, or it could be lightning.

Dear Joe,
It has taken a long time for love to flow .... besides not sure if it is true love.

For last few years Simon has blocked me from reading Gavini's posts and vice verse.

So...I would be happy if love flows for at least you two.

Best wishes to both of you and Kuldeep as well ( who has shown lot of patience all these years with Gavini's posts).

Pankaj Varma

Dear Pankaj

I wonder why Simon has blocked you from accessing the posts of Gavini who I believe is not as dangerous as he appeared to be. As far as I am aware you did not have any reason to have any altercations with him and I would suggest that you contact Simon on his email and request him to open up the pathway to enable you also to read his posts.

I was impressed with Gavini's open mind when in a post to Girilal he stated:

Re: bandarbabu2000
From gavinimurthy on 2010-06-27

Dear Joe

I too feel we should interact face to face. I will inform you when I am ready.

Giri

You must have observed that I am not the die hard classical homeopath any more.

I now appreciate that homeopathic medicines are capable of curing even when used in the non classical way.

Perhaps Varun's book has an answer. Let us wait for it.

Murthy


I was delighted to read his statement:

'I now appreciate that homeopathic medicines are capable of curing even when used in the non classical way. '

I am glad that Gavini has finally realized that this precious Science is in a continuous state of evolution and if Hahnemann was alive today, I feel confident that he too would have subscribed to the direct 'This for That' therapy that I have always advocated which now has found international acceptance under the title 'Joepathy'. As no doubt you are aware, the majority of homeopaths use the same 'This for That' therapy that I have advocated. The intrinsic difference between them and me is simply the fact that they would never dare to openly state the fact that they use my Joepathy approach to curing an ailment as they would run the risk of losing their license to practice Homeopathy. It is obvious that no homeopath can possibly see 100 patients daily if he used the Classical formula as each patient will take at least an hour of his time.

These classical homeopaths have all been trained in their respective colleges and since I did not have any formal tuition in the Science of Homeopathy but only studied the text books used in my free time away from my business, I was able to quickly weed out what I felt was unnecessary data in the selection of a remedy. I then proceeded to use the remedy I had decided upon on those who consulted me and when it worked in a manner that the remedy suggested by Radar did not, I preferred to use my own initiative which I believe is God given to a few. I am very conscious of the fact that I am guided by instinct and some of the cures that I have recorded on this and other Forums I visit will give ample testimony to the efficacy of my Joepathy.

As I believe you are aware, I have never sought any financial reward for my services and it is this openness and the love I project in helping anyone in distress that has rewarded me at my advanced age to be still able to fulfill my function as the CEO of my organization as I have done for the last 55+ years.

I do appreciate that some ailments may be better helped by the Classical protocol that Hahnemann advocated but I feel that he made a fundamental when he advocated that 'The totality of the symptoms that the patient presents should be treated with ONE single remedy'. I did try to abide by the principle he formulated but soon discovered that it was quite impossible for me to treat the patient and cure him/her while using his theory. It was then that I purchased Radar 9 about 5 years ago and since I use a MacBook Pro computer it was possible to use Radar which is written only for the PC platform on my computer as it can also run the PC platform. Radar is an excellent module to use for study purposes but it is too complicated for daily use with each patient.

Gavini has already consented to meet me on Skype and I wonder if you can persuade you too to do so. My Skype ID is Joedelivera and I hope to be able to talk to you and also see you on my monitor soon.

Warm Regards

Joe

Bravo!

Simon's action is only symbolic in nature to suggest to ignore the posts from those who can't see eye to eye with you.

All you have to do is to logout to read the whole thread uninteruptedly.

It is a slight inconvenience but is a constant reminder to see if we can improve our ways of communication with one another.

As Joe says the majority of homeopaths are 'this for that' prescribers. Though that is not the perfect way the patients feel it is better than plain allopathy.

Over a period of time I too feel that majority of patients who are not sensitive can benefit to some extant with these 'this for that' prescriptions.

Though their ability to cure is doubtful the patient gets some relief and he is thankful for that.

I too observed that for non sensitive patients either the medicine works (sometimes partially) or it doesn't work. It is rarely that it spoils the case further provided the repetetion is not excessive.

The danger is much less with split/ wet doses.

People's perception change over time. Who knows one day I too may join the bandwagon and become 'this for that' prescriber. :-)

If and when I choose to do that I am afraid the space for other prescribers will be limited. (Just joking)

All is well that ends well.

I may still differ with you but the tone of my opposition will never be hostile hereafter.

If we all decide to discuss on points and avoid personalities we can all live together harmoniously on this forum.

I am extending my hand with a positive spirit. I hope all others will reciprocate and make this forum a joy to visit.

Murthy

BRAVO GAVINI !!!

I look forward to meeting you on Skype shortly when we can discuss some outstanding matters.

In the meanwhile I am copying a statement that I addressed to Manish Bhatia of Hpathy.com where I expressed my views on the reason why I felt that Homeopathy was slowly DYING at least in the Western countries. I copied my statement on the ABC shortly after I rejoined it last December.

I am convinced that if all of us who are dedicated to healing with Homeopathy join forces and use my direct 'This for That' form of therapy aka 'Joepathy' we can avoid the infighting among the ranks that I feel is the cause of this 'Dying' Syndrome and what is more important, the patient who presents the ailment will be cured in the shortest possible time as per Hahnemann's First and Second Aphorisms.

' 1 The physician’s high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed.

2 The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles.'

http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/128112/

Re: Homeopathy in UK From Joe De Livera on 2009-12-29

I am copying below my reply entitled 'Response to a Sad Editor' addressed to Dr Manish Bhatia on his Hpathy Forum website on:

http://www.hpathy.com/ezine/feedback/2008aug-ed.asp

I felt that my reply to his request to respond would be a useful addition to this Thread which will be bumped up for the enlightenment of members.

My response is about midway down the list of replies which Homeopaths throughout the world sent Manish which are all worth reading even though it may take some time to do so.


August 2008

Dear Manish,

I have just received the July edition of 'Homeopathy 4 Everyone' and would like to place on record my admiration of your attitude to Homeopathy today which is so different from the autocratic classical attitude you displayed in your Hpathy Forum a few short years ago when you banned me from it merely because I prescribed Arnica for an ailment I cannot recollect.

I presume that you are aware that I am not a qualified Homeopath as this science is only a Hobby to me and I treat all patients with the remedy, free of charge. I am thankful to God that it has remained that way as the therapy that I give those who consult me is not governed by the strict classical rules which I sometimes use with Radar when the remedy for the ailment eludes me. It is just that feeling of satisfaction that I get in helping anyone who consults me that is the reward that I get that keeps me active in Homeopathy, sometimes to defend my non classical attitude to Homeopathy as I have always found that my direct approach works admirably well in comparison to the classical attitude of the 'single remedy to treat all the symptoms', which usually does not.

You may perhaps be aware that a few classical members on your forum resented my direct 'this for that' approach to Homeopathy and often used to criticize it, sometimes in a disparaging manner. They later labelled my attitude to healing as 'Joepathy' and this term was later picked up by the Search Engines which today lists about 150 hits under this title. It is possible that the reason for this interest may be due to the fact that the various remedies that I have used which are recorded in the homeopathic forums that I used to visit in the past and the Homeopathy and More Forum that Praveen Wadhwa and I share and visit daily today, have sufficient evidence to prove that the non classical approach to Homeopathy aka Joepathy, works admirably well. Since my conversion to the Wet Dose by Dr Luc de Schepper with whom I was closely associated during his short visit to Sri Lanka in 2003, I have been more successful in helping patients who seek assistance from the 4 corners of the world and I am happy that many have confirmed that they have been cured of chronic ailments like Asthma, Eczema and Arthritis to name just 3 that I have used my default remedies to cure or at least stabilize, thereby enabling the patient to stop dependence on the drugs that they had been using for many years.

I have often wondered what the reason was for the interference that I encountered on the forums that I used to visit in the past and it occurred to me that at least some may have been prompted by the fact that I have invariably indicated that I am not a classically trained homeopath but that I had a background of study of the science and my own experience dating back from 1968 when I was first introduced to Homeopathy as my guide in prescribing for the many ailments that I encountered. It is possible that the responses which grateful patients sometimes recorded on the threads may have irritated the classical types as they did not seem to equate the same rate of success that I had achieved and this lead to their harsh criticism of my therapy merely because it was non classical.

I am copying a paragraph taken from your Editorial below:

'The editor in me is sad, not just because I have seen the differences in our community from very close quarters, but also because I see little 'dialogue' or effort to find some uniformity in our methods of practice. While people are now willing to share information through Hpathy, I still see a lot of reservation in engaging in a one-to-one or an open dialogue about specific practices. Homeopathy today is like the conventional medicine of Hahnemann's time. Anyone can come up with any interpretation of our history, any new idea, hypothesis or theory, any method of practice and there is no critical scrutiny by the community. And if you are a big shot, nobody even thinks about questioning your new 'discoveries'. People either follow those ideas or they do not. Everybody is happy in his/her own cocoon. We are a very passive community. There is no central authority to check the validity of numerous claims made by different people. There is no central effort to resolve the timeless questions that haunt homeopathy.'

I am indeed grateful to you for having stated what to me is obvious but which when read from Hahnemann's classical standpoint can be interpreted as heresy. I am in complete agreement with you in your view and it does seem a shame that the big names in the science have their own views on even basic matters and prefer to pontificate on them merely because they are 'great' however far they are from the truth . I can think of George Vithoulkas condemning in his lectures on Arnica that it must never be used as a pain reliever and never before and after surgery. I have proved otherwise. There are numerous examples of these same greats pontificating about remedies but obviously not taking the time to test their pet theories in actual practice.

In the final analysis it is not the method used, classical or non classical that matters in the treatment of disease. It is the remedy that will achieve the fastest cure without causing the patient any discomfort and restores him back to health as per Hahnemann's first Aphorism.

I shall follow your progress in your open attitude to Homeopathy and hope that you will succeed in opening the eyes of the classical fraternity that it is time that they shed aside their classical blinkers and use remedies in the manner that many of us have pioneered and recorded instead of criticizing us for having deviated from the strict classical method of treatment which does not achieve the same results that the direct Joepathy 'this for that' method does.

Kind Regards

Joe

Or may be Arnica worked on Gavini.

I can't place my finger on it...but...still I am not convinced.

I think I have seen too much of the other side of Gavini to believe that he has changed !!

I still don't forget the days when he used to post donkey's pictures here at ABC to be-little ABC.

I still cannot forget the personal humiliation he and Scott splashed on me during those days.

To say: 'All is well that ends well' ...sounds simple
...he can say it ...coz he was not at the receiving end.

I need an apology from him to bury the past.

Pankaj Varma

Wow.

Simon did the wonderful thing unasked. I can see everyone's posts including Pankaj's while being logged.

A big Thank YOU ..Simon.

Dear Pankaj

I know I had been unnecessarily harsh with you, giri, Joe ,Dr.deoshlok and a few others.

My sincere apologies to all of you and I promise that I will be never be hostile with any one here after.

Bapu4's thread made all the difference. See Joe's magnamity when he realised his mistake. That made me thinking.

Remember the time when I appreciated your Materia Medica knowledge and wanted to be your 'sishya.'

Let us go back to those days. All of us together can make this forum give solace to the needy people.

I shall voice my concerns as earlier when need be but will do it in a way that won't offend anybody.

Murthy

Joe's magnanamity..

Murthy

Yes Gavini...I extended a hand of friendship to you right at the start (in 2003). However, subsequent events were a big shock.

In fact, once you said you were visiting Delhi..at that time I had though that we would meet.

I always like meeting people.
In Delhi I met Kuldeep (Praveen) and in London I met Simon Braodlay.

I have fond memories of both these meetings.

If I go to Sri Lanka, will surely meet Joe.

With best wishes

Pankaj Varma

Correction: *Simon Broadlay

(Mispelt earlier)

Dear Pankaj

I dont blame you for not believing how this present dispute between the Classical homeopaths represented by Gavini and me has been solved as a result of my attacking him at first in a manner that I have never done before and then later by apologizing to him for the harsh words that I used in the process which I had deliberately used in my post addressed to him in the hope that he will respond in the manner that he did. I had been waiting patiently for an excuse for me to give him a broadside with all guns blazing and I got the opportunity when I pretended to have mistaken Bapu4's post for 'Bandarababu' which was Gavini's ID some years ago. This tactic is termed ' Finesse' and if you play Bridge you will note the parallel.

It is very rarely that I go out of my way to attack anyone in the manner that I did as I realized that I was spending far too much of my time on countering Gavini's attacks on almost every post that I made. You will note that he has also realized his errant ways and has promised never to deliberately offend anyone in future.

This belligerent attitude that I projected in my post to Gavini is just not in my psyche as I am a peace loving person and quite frankly this is the first occasion in my long life that I have had to be so harsh especially since this is a Homeopathic forum open to the world which has over 10000 hits daily and we the prescribers are expected to project a haven of love and peace to all patients who seek healing from us. I am confident that all of us who care for others will now be able to help patients in peace and in love. It is through our therapy that we can jointly help this precious science of Homeoapthy to forge ahead without the infighting that has been the bane of some Forums dedicated to Homeopathy.

I would like to copy Virgil from my last post to you which will again prove to you how I solved an otherwise impossible situation with my Finesse which I suppose is the culmination of a lifetime's (81 years) experience in dealing with the many situations that I face.

'Love conquers all things; let us too surrender to Love. '......... Virgil

You may like to know that I was talking to Simon yesterday and requested him to uplift the restrictions he had imposed on the ABC.

I shall look forward to meeting you here in Sri Lanka soon.

Warm Regards

Joe

It's all very pleasant and friendly in here. I'm glad you're all getting on - you have much in common.