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Are there any homeopathic remedies, which are diluted in water, that if taken too much of would kill you?Like if I bought a liter bottle of 30C arsenic in water or 30C belladonna in water, and drank the whole thing in one sitting, would that hurt me?
I'm just curious, please answer if you can. Thanks in advance. :-D
Orume on 2004-11-15
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no, it wouldn't.
energy behaves a bit differently than matter (which is also energy, still has different laws etc).
Long time ago someone explained it to me as : there is bolt of energy and most important it's its frequency (which remedy), and amplitude (potency) but time (dose) is least important.
It is a very rough explanation and very approximate-but not that bad for a lay-person.
energy behaves a bit differently than matter (which is also energy, still has different laws etc).
Long time ago someone explained it to me as : there is bolt of energy and most important it's its frequency (which remedy), and amplitude (potency) but time (dose) is least important.
It is a very rough explanation and very approximate-but not that bad for a lay-person.
Astra2012 last decade
OK then. But is there a homeopathic medicine that would cause severe ill effects if consumed in much higher dosage than recommended?
I mean, aside from what is diluted with alcohol. Too much alcohol leads to alcohol poisoning. (obviously!!) But we don't let alcohol into the house anyway, it's against our beliefs.
Thanks in advance!
I mean, aside from what is diluted with alcohol. Too much alcohol leads to alcohol poisoning. (obviously!!) But we don't let alcohol into the house anyway, it's against our beliefs.
Thanks in advance!
Orume last decade
Homeopathy is very much individualized- the reaction depends on who is that greedy person who drank all the medicine. But that reaction wouldn't go as far as killing that person-no matter which remedy.
As to "severe ill effects" -only if the person is sensitive (but actually they would react to the small doses as well)-they wouldn't be long lasting.(I'm telling here only what I think-nobody tried it). Some homeopaths believe that size of the dose does not matter at all. Whether you drink a teaspoon or a liter is all the same-important is only the remedy and the potency. Others believe that it matters esp. when the remedy is right-increasing dose is supposed to help with some lingering physical problem.
As to "severe ill effects" -only if the person is sensitive (but actually they would react to the small doses as well)-they wouldn't be long lasting.(I'm telling here only what I think-nobody tried it). Some homeopaths believe that size of the dose does not matter at all. Whether you drink a teaspoon or a liter is all the same-important is only the remedy and the potency. Others believe that it matters esp. when the remedy is right-increasing dose is supposed to help with some lingering physical problem.
Astra2012 last decade
I'm not meaning to be rude, but I don't understand how this works. You take a medicine because it does something, right? It makes you better. If you're not sick, it still does affect your system.
I don't understand why dosage wouldn't matter. The energy in the medicine affects you somehow, and the more medicine you take, the more energy you have in your system, right? Wouldn't there come a point where there's too much?
Please help me understand this. Thanks in advance!!
I don't understand why dosage wouldn't matter. The energy in the medicine affects you somehow, and the more medicine you take, the more energy you have in your system, right? Wouldn't there come a point where there's too much?
Please help me understand this. Thanks in advance!!
Orume last decade
you are not being rudew because you ask questions to which I might not know the answer.
Actually, I don't-sorry.
Actually, I don't-sorry.
Astra2012 last decade
dosage matters;
frequency of dosage matters;
potency matters;
vitality of individual must be accessed ;
more thorough the understanding what is occuring with individual the better the prospects of correct treatment---evn in acute illnesses..
you do not understand because you have no (or very little) experience with prescribing homoeopathy...
frequency of dosage matters;
potency matters;
vitality of individual must be accessed ;
more thorough the understanding what is occuring with individual the better the prospects of correct treatment---evn in acute illnesses..
you do not understand because you have no (or very little) experience with prescribing homoeopathy...
♡ John Stanton last decade
♡ sabra last decade
I have already searched the forums using the keywords "poisoning" "poison" and "overdose" and haven't come up with anything that answers my question. I'm not sure what else to search under.
You're quite right, John Stanton. I don't have any experience with prescribing or using homeopathy, I never said I did. Since you imply you know the answer, could you please answer the question?
All I want to know is:
Is there a homeopathic medicine that, if taken too much of or too often, could cause harm or kill someone? If so, what is it?
For example, if I had a bottle of 30C arsenicum diluted w/ water, and drank the whole thing within a half-hour, would that cause a serious side effect? How about belladonna? Digitalis?
I hope I am making sense here. Please let me know if you need me to explain further.
Thanks!!
You're quite right, John Stanton. I don't have any experience with prescribing or using homeopathy, I never said I did. Since you imply you know the answer, could you please answer the question?
All I want to know is:
Is there a homeopathic medicine that, if taken too much of or too often, could cause harm or kill someone? If so, what is it?
For example, if I had a bottle of 30C arsenicum diluted w/ water, and drank the whole thing within a half-hour, would that cause a serious side effect? How about belladonna? Digitalis?
I hope I am making sense here. Please let me know if you need me to explain further.
Thanks!!
Orume last decade
Orume!
Can you enlighten us...why you are seeking an answer to this question?
How old are you?
who else is there in your family?
Best,
Pankaj Varma
Can you enlighten us...why you are seeking an answer to this question?
How old are you?
who else is there in your family?
Best,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I'm just curious. Sometimes I have a question about something, such as this, and it keeps me up at night! LOL! I just want to know, no special reason.
I'm 26 years old. In my house, there is me, my husband, and my baby boy.
Thank you!
I'm 26 years old. In my house, there is me, my husband, and my baby boy.
Thank you!
Orume last decade
Here is part of the answer:
Certain substances from which homeopathic meds are made....if taken in crude form i.e. without potencising....they can be harmful. Depends upon the substance, can also be fatal i.e. life taking.
The same substances in potencised form act as a medicines.
Take care,
Best,
Pankaj Varma
Certain substances from which homeopathic meds are made....if taken in crude form i.e. without potencising....they can be harmful. Depends upon the substance, can also be fatal i.e. life taking.
The same substances in potencised form act as a medicines.
Take care,
Best,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
If you have a physical ailment or you are confronted with a stressful situation, post your symptoms....will try to find a homeopathic answer to your problem.
best,
Pankaj Varma
best,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
And you look so cool in this sunglasses!
Orume: your reasoning is very logical for the material doses. Energy behaves differently - you do not have any thresholds-bolt of energy is bolt.
Orume: your reasoning is very logical for the material doses. Energy behaves differently - you do not have any thresholds-bolt of energy is bolt.
Astra2012 last decade
Thanks for your answers everyone!
Pankaj Varma -- No, there's no symptoms or illness. I'm not looking for medicine for me. It's really just a question.
Astra2012 -- But surely there's an point where there would be too much of a given energy in the body? I mean, too much energy (in the form of electricity) would kill you.
To me, logic dictates that energy or chemical, there must come a point where the homeostasis of the body is breached, being an overdose. The body bleeds off excess energy by heat, so if there's too much energy in the system, it would at least cause a fever.
Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm sorry if I'm being confusing, I'm taking my time to make sure I have the right words.
Thanks!!
Pankaj Varma -- No, there's no symptoms or illness. I'm not looking for medicine for me. It's really just a question.
Astra2012 -- But surely there's an point where there would be too much of a given energy in the body? I mean, too much energy (in the form of electricity) would kill you.
To me, logic dictates that energy or chemical, there must come a point where the homeostasis of the body is breached, being an overdose. The body bleeds off excess energy by heat, so if there's too much energy in the system, it would at least cause a fever.
Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm sorry if I'm being confusing, I'm taking my time to make sure I have the right words.
Thanks!!
Orume last decade
I forgot to say:
Pankaj Varma, you said: "Certain substances from which homeopathic meds are made....if taken in crude form i.e. without potencising....they can be harmful. Depends upon the substance, can also be fatal i.e. life taking.
The same substances in potencised form act as a medicines."
OK. But then there must come a point where they stop doing good and start doing harm, yes? Even harmless things like water can cause harm if you have too much in your system. Too much water causes swelling and stiffness, and empties needed nutrients out of the body.
I'm sorry if you see me as being difficult. I didn't know the answers to my questions would be that complicated!!
Thank you!
Pankaj Varma, you said: "Certain substances from which homeopathic meds are made....if taken in crude form i.e. without potencising....they can be harmful. Depends upon the substance, can also be fatal i.e. life taking.
The same substances in potencised form act as a medicines."
OK. But then there must come a point where they stop doing good and start doing harm, yes? Even harmless things like water can cause harm if you have too much in your system. Too much water causes swelling and stiffness, and empties needed nutrients out of the body.
I'm sorry if you see me as being difficult. I didn't know the answers to my questions would be that complicated!!
Thank you!
Orume last decade
Orume:
What is important is a ratio (I think). Not how much.
This is actually an example from material science but:
when you have some antigen and antibody (in immunology) and (let's assume the concentration of antigen is constant and you use only different concentrations of antibody) then
agglutination happens only at certain ratio- there is no reaction when the concentration of antibody is too high!
So more doesn't always mean more reaction even in material science.
Is it any remedy or the right one? What is the potency and how sensitive the person is?
to get a precise answer you have to ask a precise question.
What is important is a ratio (I think). Not how much.
This is actually an example from material science but:
when you have some antigen and antibody (in immunology) and (let's assume the concentration of antigen is constant and you use only different concentrations of antibody) then
agglutination happens only at certain ratio- there is no reaction when the concentration of antibody is too high!
So more doesn't always mean more reaction even in material science.
Is it any remedy or the right one? What is the potency and how sensitive the person is?
to get a precise answer you have to ask a precise question.
Astra2012 last decade
I'm sorry Astra2012, there's no precise answer to your questions. I'm just curious. It's totally hypothetical.
Orume last decade
Astra2012, you said: "Orume:
What is important is a ratio (I think). Not how much."
John Stanton said: "dosage matters;
frequency of dosage matters;
potency matters;
vitality of individual must be accessed..."
This makes me very curious. I read the forum here, and there are prescriptions from many members that give specific dosages.
If the dosage does *not* matter, why mention it at all? Why say to increase it if it isn't working, if the dosage doesn't matter?
If dosage *does* matter, then there must be a limit. Having dosage implies there is a threshold that is harmful to cross.
And what does "vitality" of the individual mean? How can you judge that online?
This homeopathy makes less and less sense with each new thing I learn about it.
What is important is a ratio (I think). Not how much."
John Stanton said: "dosage matters;
frequency of dosage matters;
potency matters;
vitality of individual must be accessed..."
This makes me very curious. I read the forum here, and there are prescriptions from many members that give specific dosages.
If the dosage does *not* matter, why mention it at all? Why say to increase it if it isn't working, if the dosage doesn't matter?
If dosage *does* matter, then there must be a limit. Having dosage implies there is a threshold that is harmful to cross.
And what does "vitality" of the individual mean? How can you judge that online?
This homeopathy makes less and less sense with each new thing I learn about it.
Orume last decade
It is too bad that it makes less sense as you learn. Homeopathy is not easy to understand. We all have our own views about it according to our own experiences.
Experience will always cause some to disagree.
Many times the chosen potency is not available. Sometimes time is hurried and an available one is used, usually ok.
Now, I reread your top paragraph. What I am now aware of is that you chose ARSNIC and BELLADONNA, two poisons. Were you looking to have the ultimate experience?
There is an old story about the woman angry at her husband and decided to off him. After much time passed she foolishly complained to a friend about her impatience, who then called the police. It seems that she found a whole bottle of ARSNIC and it just wouldn't kill him!! It was Homeopathic arsnic. She went to jail for the intention.
NO Homeopathic remedy, any poison-based, will kill anyone. Even a 3X is not crude enough to kill. Sabra
Experience will always cause some to disagree.
Many times the chosen potency is not available. Sometimes time is hurried and an available one is used, usually ok.
Now, I reread your top paragraph. What I am now aware of is that you chose ARSNIC and BELLADONNA, two poisons. Were you looking to have the ultimate experience?
There is an old story about the woman angry at her husband and decided to off him. After much time passed she foolishly complained to a friend about her impatience, who then called the police. It seems that she found a whole bottle of ARSNIC and it just wouldn't kill him!! It was Homeopathic arsnic. She went to jail for the intention.
NO Homeopathic remedy, any poison-based, will kill anyone. Even a 3X is not crude enough to kill. Sabra
♡ sabra last decade
Orume !
With your kind of ability to get to the "bottom of the matter" and your young age........I recommend you should join a Homeopathic Course.
Best,
Pankaj Varma
With your kind of ability to get to the "bottom of the matter" and your young age........I recommend you should join a Homeopathic Course.
Best,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Sabra: "Now, I reread your top paragraph. What I am now aware of is that you chose ARSNIC and BELLADONNA, two poisons. Were you looking to have the ultimate experience?"
I was just guessing. This was a hypothetical question, remember?
Can you not answer my questions? How are differing "views" even relevant? There must be an underlying, constant, testable theory right? Because if not, then homeopathy is based on nothing but unfounded "views." So what are the answers to my questions according to that basic underlying theory?
Pankaj Varma: "With your kind of ability to get to the "bottom of the matter" and your young age........I recommend you should join a Homeopathic Course."
Thank you, but I am not sure I want to. I don't see how this could possibly do anything at all, good or bad, aside from a placebo effect.
I'm sorry if any of you found that offensive, I am just trying to be honest here, and trying to understand.
Sadly, each answer given raises more questions.
I was just guessing. This was a hypothetical question, remember?
Can you not answer my questions? How are differing "views" even relevant? There must be an underlying, constant, testable theory right? Because if not, then homeopathy is based on nothing but unfounded "views." So what are the answers to my questions according to that basic underlying theory?
Pankaj Varma: "With your kind of ability to get to the "bottom of the matter" and your young age........I recommend you should join a Homeopathic Course."
Thank you, but I am not sure I want to. I don't see how this could possibly do anything at all, good or bad, aside from a placebo effect.
I'm sorry if any of you found that offensive, I am just trying to be honest here, and trying to understand.
Sadly, each answer given raises more questions.
Orume last decade
"....All I want to know is:
Is there a homeopathic medicine that, if taken too much of or too often, could cause harm or kill someone? If so, what is it?...."
it is not homoeopathy --when remedy has no similarity to existing symptomology---
i say that the time frame in which you place the actually killing --needs to be dtermined....if no time is placed upon --then YES incorrect prescribing can have negative effect--and yes even to death---but the subtlety is often ignored and not given credit to the incorrect prescribing of dynamic medicines (homoeopathic to case or otherwise)....in this view many avidly disagree because of theri aclaimed 1000 years of experience...i say to this --that proves to me nothing....as for a specific remedy --i treat all as potentially cause harmful...is it not unwise to treat any other way...since homoeopathic literature is made of provings...what it causes it cures ... not exacts--but similars.....best for you read through materia medica and get an idea of some of the dis-ease conditions brought out with provings as well as the clinical trials....
Is there a homeopathic medicine that, if taken too much of or too often, could cause harm or kill someone? If so, what is it?...."
it is not homoeopathy --when remedy has no similarity to existing symptomology---
i say that the time frame in which you place the actually killing --needs to be dtermined....if no time is placed upon --then YES incorrect prescribing can have negative effect--and yes even to death---but the subtlety is often ignored and not given credit to the incorrect prescribing of dynamic medicines (homoeopathic to case or otherwise)....in this view many avidly disagree because of theri aclaimed 1000 years of experience...i say to this --that proves to me nothing....as for a specific remedy --i treat all as potentially cause harmful...is it not unwise to treat any other way...since homoeopathic literature is made of provings...what it causes it cures ... not exacts--but similars.....best for you read through materia medica and get an idea of some of the dis-ease conditions brought out with provings as well as the clinical trials....
♡ John Stanton last decade
John Stanton:
"it is not homoeopathy --when remedy has no similarity to existing symptomology---"
I'm not sure of what you're trying to say here. It reads to me as "If the homeopathic medicine does harm it must not be homeopathic." Is that what you are trying to say?
John Stanton:
"i say that the time frame in which you place the actually killing --needs to be dtermined....if no time is placed upon --then YES incorrect prescribing can have negative effect--and yes even to death---but the subtlety is often ignored and not given credit to the incorrect prescribing of dynamic medicines (homoeopathic to case or otherwise)"
I'm not sure how one could miss the "subtlety" of a death. Please explain what you mean?
I'll be honest here and say that your post was riddled with non-sequiturs. It didn't make much sense. Did you read my posts thoroughly? Perhaps we have misunderstood each other.
As for the materia medica, I'm not sure why you want me to look up diseases there. I'm not looking for a treatment, as I have stated previously.
Are there clinical trials? I was under the impression there were not. Were the findings published in a peer-reviewed journal? I can look them up at the library if they were.
Thanks!
"it is not homoeopathy --when remedy has no similarity to existing symptomology---"
I'm not sure of what you're trying to say here. It reads to me as "If the homeopathic medicine does harm it must not be homeopathic." Is that what you are trying to say?
John Stanton:
"i say that the time frame in which you place the actually killing --needs to be dtermined....if no time is placed upon --then YES incorrect prescribing can have negative effect--and yes even to death---but the subtlety is often ignored and not given credit to the incorrect prescribing of dynamic medicines (homoeopathic to case or otherwise)"
I'm not sure how one could miss the "subtlety" of a death. Please explain what you mean?
I'll be honest here and say that your post was riddled with non-sequiturs. It didn't make much sense. Did you read my posts thoroughly? Perhaps we have misunderstood each other.
As for the materia medica, I'm not sure why you want me to look up diseases there. I'm not looking for a treatment, as I have stated previously.
Are there clinical trials? I was under the impression there were not. Were the findings published in a peer-reviewed journal? I can look them up at the library if they were.
Thanks!
Orume last decade
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