Dr. Rajesh Shah Feedback _{Page 2 of 3}

KIND ATTENTION: MODERATOR, MR MURTHY AND OTHERS

Though, as a well qualified doctor with relevant certified knowledge about medicine,
I am not supposed to be answerable to Mr. Murthy for these quite amusing and child like questions, I would still take this opportunity to this back to him since I believe in giving knowledge.

This goes for attention to the moderator of this forum as well as to the many other people who with limited knowledge of ether Dr Rajesh Shah’s achievements worldwide or just blunt disrespect for colleagues.

Contention No 1
IP address the same for many people
There are so many Doctors that work in Life Force Homeopathy owned by Dr Rajesh Shah, M.D. So its no surprise that you may find the same static IP address been reflected with other people. This goes with patients and Doctors as well.

Dr Rajesh Shah's Life Force Homeopathy is a huge organization which has qualified and well knowledgeable Doctors working for it as well as patients those who visit the global support center are free to use this facility.

All doctors associated with Dr Rajesh Shah have the right to make there opinion visible through their own computers , probably since the moderator rightly mentioned you may find that coming out of the same IP address but you have live and positive individuals posting the comments here not machines.

Contention No 2
About disease specific websites
For a physician and for a patient the most important first step in treatment is to KNOW what he is suffering from. Perhaps a nosocomial diagnosis or a name to his pain rather than perhaps an: acute exacerbation of a psoro-sycotic miasmatic dyscracias. Did you get this one? Perhaps you could get a dot com for that available.

Contention No 3
Purpose of Multiple websites to lure
Please be informed, a lot of people all across the world don’t even know about homeopathy. They come searching for complaints and disease names. When they come to our websites like www.lichenplanus.com . Its there first experience with the world of homeopathy, which otherwise they never would have had the opportunity to experience. We are introducing homeopathy to them every hour, every day all across the world.

YOU MADE US LOOK LIKE VILLAINS WHERE AS WE ARE PROMOTING HOMEOPATHY IN PLACES AND COUNTRIES YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF?

What’s wrong with doctors and patients visiting life force and using the facilities in voicing an opinion in positive? May be the same IP address. Yes. Your right

What’s right with people who join in with limited knowledge of ether homeopathy or a senior homeopath just to malign an individual who is sincerely trying to spread a word across the world? Just because there were 2 patients who were not satisfied with the treatment results according to their expected outcome of diseases of which they have limited knowledge of?

As for Mr. Murthy: The Self Proclaimed Champion of this cause to Save Homeopathy and the innocent people from this villain and evil called Dr Shah.

Rightly put by him in his user profile : (I missed that one out and actually though he is a qualified doctor)

Forum user profile: gavinimurthy
I am not a qualified homeopath. I am an engineer by education, and a manager by profession. I believe classical homeopathy is the only answer for a 'cure.' I try to promote it and make people understand what is classical homeopathy.

4917 posts to date.

This on is for the moderator.

I know this is an open platform and people can speak what they like. But, this is UN ACCEPTABLE

How can ABC HOMEOPATHY allow Mr. Murthy NOT A QUALIFIED HOMEOPATH, ENGINEER BY EDUCATION AND MANAGER BY PROFESSION post 4917 about Five Thousand times and advise people on homeopathy with strong comments on doses and medicines to gullible and innocent patients who came here just for a free advice?

Please note this. I find it very un professional. Will all due respect to Mr. Murthy’s profession and his liking for homeopathy or what ever he names it “classical’ western or Hindustani what ever

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http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/197821/

Abhi naya naya seekha hai gavini ...tabhi ucha bolta hai !!

Kuch Union leadery bhi kiya hai..uska bhi effect hai !!

Hi, Mr. Murthy

With due respect to your passion for this wonderful science of homeopathy and with NO personal mollified intentions I will like to state a few points:

1. If at all, there are GAPS, in what’s practiced at Life Force and what’s claimed, Lets explore it together. The testimonials, the case studies, the treatment promise, the prognosis and scope of homeopathy mentioned on the websites for various diseases, the Live Chats by doctors, the Live international call back phone support, the email replies to queries, If, even for once , we together, find out a GAP, I will stop my reply to these treads for ever. Take my word.

2. About Honesty, I believe this is more about the “Intention”. With all the commercials aspect, which, in my opinion is integral for any corporate enterprise, what’s more important with the doctors is not to ever give false hopes to their patients. This stems out from an understanding developed with experience about the prognosis of a disease. We together, even for once, find out the Dr Rajesh Shah or his team of doctors for the sake of money has at any given moment, LURED WITH FALSE HOPES, I will without condition stop forever replying to any thread on any forum and post a public apology for my stance in favor of Dr Shah.

3. As for continuing these threads, frankly, I’m just forced into it every day. This is NOT my job or purpose in life. I believe in Homeopathy and I believe in every Homeopath who at a village in India or at times square in New York is trying his best to heal people and promote this beautiful science of homeopathy.

All said and done , I still feel we should give due credit to Dr Rajesh Shah, M.D for his un tiring efforts for the last 14 years, as one of the first people to use internet from India to promote awareness about Homeopathy globally and every day educate and introduce her to so many people in over 160 countries world wide. (Limca Book of World Records)

Last but not the least, about your ad infinitum goggle, at least a lot of people will know about Mr. Murthy. ):

Cheers and Love

So you think Rajesh Shah is not cheating people but is doing some kind of service to the mankind from the last 14 years.

To tell you honestly, Rajesh Shah is just an Internet freak and an amateur homeopath. Otherwise the testimonials by patients would not be so bad.

The only people who wrote in his favor were his cronies, and this fact was established when it was found out and also accepted by you that they all used the same IP.

So shame on Rajesh Shah and his company 'Life Force' for duping people and giving a bad name to homeopathy.

For your information I will like to suggest you a website that will give you more information about Dr Rajesh Shah, M.D .

It is www.rajeshshah.com

Please visit this website and find out for yourself if Dr Shah is an amature homoepath or some thing else.

I do not like to go to websites created with a specific purpose in mind.

I like to hear things from the horse's mouth, that is, I will only believe what Rajesh Shah's patients are saying on abchomeopathy.com

And you know what his patients are saying here, that Dr. Rajesh Shah is cheating.

Just because there were 2 patients who were not satisfied with the treatment results according to their expected outcome of diseases of which they have limited knowledge of, Will you blame the entire effort of sucessfully treating and helping millions of patients till date?

ASK YOUR SELF.

First understand the meaning of homeopathy before you do justice to your job and take home your month's salary at Rajesh Shah's company.

Homeopathy is not what Rajesh Shah is practising. Homeopathy without healing is just another medical business, and that is pretty much the case with Batra's and Shah's of homeopathic fraternity.

Shah's and Batra's are not individuals but Companies with a team of junior doctors on their rolls. So it is not Rajesh Shah who is treating patients but his team of doctors.

So this is some kind of impersonation where a patient thinks that he will be treated by Rajesh Shah but is actually treated by his team.

So you can come forth with some of your bulls*t that all treatments are under supervision of Shah but the fact is that Rajesh Shah is not even accessible to the patients.

This is not homeopathy. This is a Business.

Please DO NOT TRY TO TEACH ME the meaning of Homeopathy. I know what homeopathy means. Period.

As for Dr Rajesh Shah, M.D , I certainly believe all prescriptions are made by him, otherwise so many people would not have benifited from his work. Yes, I agree that it might be difficult for him to personally speak with all his patients form all across the world, specially when you are dealing with thousands of people all across the globe, but that does not dilute the effecacy of the treatment , as i believe you have to produce results if you have to survive and be known for your work

Also, If you are(I dont know, as there are so many impersonaters) if you are a doctor/homeopath and fortunately if you become famous and get 500 patients wanting to take treatment from you every day. What will you do?

If you have over 5000 active patients in a month all over the world, how do you manage?

PLEASE ANSWER ME.

Your answer reflects your helplessness with how things have progressed here.

You make certain assumptions that I am sure are not true:

Assumption1: All prescriptions are made by Rajesh Shah

Dubai2009: This is false. For 5000 active patients, this simply can't be true.

Assumption2: People have benefited from his work.

Dubai2009: Nothing could be further from truth than this. Some people are benefiting from homeopaths practicing anywhere but some people are getting harmed also. But this doesn't prove anything.

Assumption3: It is difficult for Shah to speak with all patients...

Dubai2009: So this proves point 1 above and also what I said in my earlier post that he is not accessible to patients.

So this proves that Shah is managing a business with 5000 or more active patients. He is not prescribing, he simply can't. That is something that junior doctors are doing for him. This is impersonation.

No 1: I never said Dr Shah has 5000 patients, I Really cannot comment on it. I just said if you had as a doctor, what would you do.

No 2: People , as you said will benifit from any homeopath and some may not. So?

No 3: For a pre occupied doctor, I said, Is it possible to speak regularly with all patients? . Though I definately he must be speaking to all of them at least off and on.

Please understand. I am not here to defend Dr Shah or accuse you . My purpose here is to debate on this very concept of mud slingling on our homeopathic brothern.

Lets more on to better things, Please.

Now your argument is breaking:

No 1: You are clearly implying what you said in the last statement of your previous post:

'If you have over 5000 active patients in a month all over the world, how do you manage?'

As if you are company spokesman.

No 2: It is the wonder of homeopathy that some patients are benefiting and the credit is not due to Rajesh Shah here. Just throw an arsenic alb at a cold/cough/catarrh patient and see if it works whether the mentals match or not. It will work to alleviate the suffering of the patient, to an extent. But this does not mean that Rajesh Shah and his company are successfully treating patients. This is the beauty of homeopathy that it gets the credit to the most undeserving of prescribes like Shah.

No 3: Here again you are contradicting yourself. Is Rajesh Shah speaking to his thousands of active patients or not? If not, then this is impersonation.

It is no mudslinging but all this is being written here in the interest of the patients and for the sake of posterity. This will come up in Google searches to help patients looking for genuine feedback on Rajesh Shah so that they are not taken in by all the propaganda unleashed through one of Shah's several business websites.

Furthermore, this is business and pseudo-homeopathy and it is getting what it deserves.

For classical homeopathy, just go through some of Sameer Vermani's threads. You will know what is homeopathy/philanthropy and how different it is from the Homeopathy business run by Rajesh Shah.

Goodbye!!!

Thank You for your feed back. You are right in some manner , but still mud's not a great idea.

Take Care and Good Bye.

forget homeopathy, dr rajesh shah and his sidekicks
aren't even smart enough to make sure they use different computers on different ISPs !

And as if multiple websites on the internet weren't enough now dr. rajesh shah has multiple ids on this forum!

For someone who called all homeopaths cockroaches he sure has laid a lot of eggs, albeit in cyberspace.

By the way Dubai 2009 is using all these fake names on ABC Homeopathy...he is no other but rishimba.

utpal1999
rishimba
armada
zombie
zayed
samabb
jaz_kad
Delhinut
zaman-pro
iam123

I appreciate your conserns about the hobby like approach at the forum in treating and recomending medical solutions for disease conditions.

It would really help if we had professional forums and just 'time pass' forums seperately.

There has to be a proper approach in dealing with medical situations then a wright brother like approach as you rightly pointed out.

Un fortunately the major cause of mis conception regarding homeopathy in India and worldwide has been because of non medical people practising homeopathy non clinically on innocent and suffering individuals without understanding the pathology or prognosis of the disease they are commenting on.

Technology has its advantages and disadvantages. Forums like these can influence people in various ways unfortunately.

You have 'Influencers' like gavinimurthy and dubai2009 and others in places like these who are free to post and get publised instantly whatever comes to there mind about anybody they may know of or not.

Its so easy for me to say that Amartya Sen knows nothing about economics when in fact I am not even a economic gradute.

We should ask ourselves just one questions:Am I capable and knowledgable to comment on an issue or an individual professionally ? If yes, Please go ahead and challege the expertise and experience of any body in the world.

I only hope they can improve the quality of conversations here.

I also did not get what you mean by teeny weeny guy? Where did that come from? Just joking. Nohting personal about any body. Its really scary here to comment.

Re: Dr Rajesh Shah at Life Force From PANKAJ VARMA on 2009-09-25
Wakeupsid,

I have great respect for the feedback of the Moderator.

I have been posting homeopathic advice here since 2003 and have found the Moderator to be unbiased in almost all situations.

It would be a good idea for you to give us details of your qualifications and experience.

Then, provide homeopathic guidance to all those waiting on other threads for some useful advice.

That way...you will endear your self to the people here.

Promotion of your business, homeopathy related or other wise is not welcome on this Forum.

Best wishes
Pankaj Varma

Dear Pankaj,

I agree strongly with you on utilizing this forum appropriatly.

Yes, We should never allow promotion of business here as that goes against the ethics of the medical profession.

Also I agreee with you that the moderator should advise people who are giving free homeopathic advise to have disclaimer and disclosure of there competance in giving that information every time so that even by mistake people should not commit negligance ethir on patients or on advisers part.

As for my back ground, Since this is a public forum and I have the choice to hide my personal identity, I will prefer that, but yes, I will like to mention some important things relevent to our discussions here that are nessary to disclose.

1. I have education background in medicine.

2. I have been closely associated with a lot of famous doctors in question here in various ways at various times. Some names are evedent from your previous post and some we have not discussed.

3. My interest,appreciation and support for Dr Rajesh Shah stems out of respect as he has been my teacher and I personally know his capabilities and achievements.

This all started because of one post that i made here just to tell people to avoid personal and defamatory comments on senior homeopaths they know little of. And suddenly I found wax bees all around me, Trying to just spit what ever came in their mouth here.

Also this one is for the moderator.

Justice is done by the blind folded lady.

Public forums like this are great influencers. A negative comment is un qualified and so is a positive comment unqualified.

As we do not check and verify the negatives and same should go through with the positives also. No?

Here, on this forum, two people have enough power to speak to millions of people across the world and influence them rightly or wrongly. Just two people.

We have seen how people get influenced here and how strong do they start feeling about issues by just reading a two post's without realising whom are they talking about, without realising what implications will this have, without sensitivity or understanding about the truth.

My effort in support of Dr Shah should be taken positively. When I speak, it comes from knowledge and experience , when people who say : 'I read about you' speak, it comes out of ignorance.

The comments should look and feel the same, Unfortunately, I have been judged as BIASED and others UN BIASED. WHY?

Just because I have qualified knowledge based comments and they have COMMENTS BASED ON COMMENTS.

I have gone to the extent in my previous posts to give people an open challange to to prove me wrong. That too not for my work but for someone I strongly believe in. I am taking this risk and still I am biased and others are unbiased.

Draw your own conclusions, but qualify them before commiting yourself in public for an opinion you know may or may not be true based on the little knowledge you base it on.

Please take my comments in a positive spirit.

I my self was gona go for treatment for my 6 year old with Dr Rajesh Shah but been put off. Anyone heard of Dr Prakash Shah? please if anyone has please let me know A.S.A.P thanx

I was reading some notes by some people about Dr Rajesh Shah. I am a homeopathic practitioner from Amritsar. I know Dr Rajesh Shah for over 20 years as a colleague and teacher. His research work is stupendous. He is a great clinician and his work on skin diseases like Lichen Planus, vitiligo and psoriasis has been very useful. I often call him for his advise on my cases, and he is generous is giving his suggestions, which have helped my patients. He has deep insight into homeopahty, which very few people have.

I am tired of reading comments, what i know, is im suffering of oral lichen planus, and lost hope of everything, so desperate about it, and want a cure even comes from hell or heaven.

i will try this treatment of Dr. Shah, after 4 months i will reply to you all about being cured or not

Hello everyone.

I want to know should some one go for Dr. Rajesh Shah for nephrotic syndrome?

I took treatment from doc shah of life force for 4 YEARS for seb. dermatitis. Even after 4 years of treatment the result was ZERO infact i lost most of my hairs. The treatment was ineffective. Not to mention now lost hairs cant be regained now. He told me that i m having MPB but the dermatologist (DR. Jerajani / Trassi) confirmed that I do not have MPB and they also told me that my condition has worsened and it will be difficult to control the dermatitis and regaining hair now is next to impossible. My patient code is 16068 (life force, Chembur, Mumbai).

After 4 years of treatment I have developed an opinion that homeopathy is ineffective for curing any disease and is harmful to society in general as people are being denied of correct (allopathic) treatment based on the false claims and unfortunately it is also being advertised unlike other professions. There are no code of ethics and no regulations to STOP it AND our Gujarati govt lead by fool named MODI is promoting these KILLER alternative remedies.

I believe IDENTICAL is the story of every other patient of this fraudulent outfit.

Hi gpatel071,

I prescribed to Dr Shah's treatment for Nephrotic Syndrome almost 7 years ago and I stayed on his treatment for 4 years.

He is very good at treating Nephrotic Syndrome. I never had relapse whilst I was on his treatment and after stopping the treatment I was fine for another 2 years until I self inflicted the relapse myself via consuming too much salt. Even then, I recovered very quickly because his treatment made my kidneys more stronger.

In my opinion, he is good for Nephrotic Syndrome. I cannot comment on other diseases.

Thank You.