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The Vintage Murthy
The Vintage MurthyMembers of the ABC may like to read some posts made by Murthy just under 2 years ago when I first announced my discovery that Nat Phos 6x was very effective in the reduction of one's weight. He was perhaps my first patient to use it for his obesity which at that time he reported at 112kg and here is his post dated December 25 2004 where he reported that he had used it for a week and discovered that he was feeling lighter although there was no reduction in his weight within a week when he reported it on the thread that I opened on the ABC 'The Ultimate Cure for Obesity' to announce my discovery to all who were obese.
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Re: The Ultimate Cure for Obesity From bandarbabu2000 on 2004-12-25
On Joe's advice I started taking Nat.Phos 6x,as advised,and I am glad to report that it seems working.
I started just a week back and I can already see improvement in terms of feeling of lightness,and improved agility.
I am now 112Kg and will report back on 1st Jan'05.
Murthy
If Murthy was 112kg in weight 2 years ago I presume that he is much heavier today and this may perhaps account for the obvious imbalance in his mental power today which seems to have taken a turn for the worse with advancing age and weight.
One does not need to be a Homeopath to realize that at 112kg one must see the red light and has to take immediate action to prevent any further increase.
Unfortunately however he seems to have surrendered to his easy going life with dangerous consequences which he anticipated a few days ago when he stated that his BRAIN BOILS OVER which can mean that he is anticipating an aneurism in his brain.
Here is the vintage Murthy that he was 2 years ago in another post which I have copied from the same thread:
Re: The Ultimate Cure for Obesity From bandarbabu2000 on 2005-06-27
Joe is a veteran in the application of homeopathy for common ailments, and we can believe, every word he says.
He doesn't make any revelations, based on bookkish knowledge, unlike so many others, but, all his writings are based on practical experience.
We are fortunate to have the feedback from people like him.I, for one, will not hesitate to try out anything he says.
In fact, I promised him, I will try his Nat.Phos 6x ,once I am able to stop my coffee.
Murthy
Anyone who reads his posts just under 2 years ago can only pity him for his belligerent attitude today to my posts, which I presume is due to the imbalance in his mental power that is caused by his obesity which I can only presume is far above 112 kg today. He is advised to take immediate action to arrest his weight increase immediately.
Murthy may like to know that I have used Nat Phos 3x for a few cases that were not responding to the 6x potency and this had the desired result in weight reduction. He must however stop his addiction to coffee which will antidote Nat Phos in any potency for weight reduction.
♥ Joe De Livera on 2006-11-23
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
I still will try the medicines like Nat.phos 6X, which are unlikely to cause harm, if stopped at the appropriate time.
Nat.phos 6X still helps me. Perhaps Joe is not aware that it is a good medicine for 'acute rheumatism' and the feeling of lightness is because of that.
The muscles loose their stiffness, and you feel light. It has nothing to do with obesity.
There is no contradiction whatsoever in my stand. I still feel Joe's practical tips may help some people.
I still weigh 110 Kgs. I know I have to reduce weight, and am working towards it.
Fortunately for me, I am yet to have any major problems.
For those curious to know, how I look like..
Murthy
Nat.phos 6X still helps me. Perhaps Joe is not aware that it is a good medicine for 'acute rheumatism' and the feeling of lightness is because of that.
The muscles loose their stiffness, and you feel light. It has nothing to do with obesity.
There is no contradiction whatsoever in my stand. I still feel Joe's practical tips may help some people.
I still weigh 110 Kgs. I know I have to reduce weight, and am working towards it.
Fortunately for me, I am yet to have any major problems.
For those curious to know, how I look like..
Murthy
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♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy,
I do not Deal cases like overnight hair growth,Rapid weight reduction,Height gain,improvement of eyesight otherwise-------.
sajjad.
I do not Deal cases like overnight hair growth,Rapid weight reduction,Height gain,improvement of eyesight otherwise-------.
sajjad.
sajjadakram635 last decade
Thank you Sajjad, for your advice.
I am yet to make a determined effort to reduce weight. I know it is to be done.
I have to change my life style to achieve weight reduction.
I will make a serious attempt, atleast from now.
Thanks for your advice, once again.
Murthy
I am yet to make a determined effort to reduce weight. I know it is to be done.
I have to change my life style to achieve weight reduction.
I will make a serious attempt, atleast from now.
Thanks for your advice, once again.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I remember once i gave Arsenic album to a patient of mine for some problem after a week he reported weight reduction due to frequent urination that may have been induced by Arsenic album. You may try if you like.
sajjad.
sajjad.
sajjadakram635 last decade
To Sajjad
I have used Apis Mel 30c bd to help leach the excess fluids in a few obese patients in the same manner that you used Ars Alb.
Nat Phos works in a different manner to the 2 remedies above and you may like to read Dr Schuessler on the subject:
NATRUM PHOSPHORICUM
Sodium and Phosphate ions are to be found in our body in the muscle, nerve and brain cells, in the blood corpuscles and in the tissue fluids. According to Dr Schuessler, Nat Phos splits the lactic acid, which is produced by the work of muscles into carbonic acid and water. The carbonic acid is absorbed by the sodium phosphate and brought to the lungs where it is eliminated in the process of breathing. If Sodium phosphate is lacking, there results an excess of lactic acid and consequently a sour taste, heart burn, sour stools, vomiting of sour, caseous matter, particularly in babies who are overfed with sugar and milk. If lactic acid reaches the lymphatic glands, the albumin of the3 lymph coagulates and the gland begins to swell. In the initial stages of swelling of the lymphatic glands therefore, Nat Phos has a healing effect because it can split lactic acid. Mat Phos further assures that the uric acid of the blood which is formed by the splitting up of the albuminous substance is kept in solution and secreted by the kidneys. Should this not be the case, uric acid dill be deposited in the joints. The sequels are Rheumatism. Gout, Sciatica, Lumbago. In the gall Nat Phos saponifies the fatty acids which have been consumed with the food. It is hence indicated against digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat.
I have used Apis Mel 30c bd to help leach the excess fluids in a few obese patients in the same manner that you used Ars Alb.
Nat Phos works in a different manner to the 2 remedies above and you may like to read Dr Schuessler on the subject:
NATRUM PHOSPHORICUM
Sodium and Phosphate ions are to be found in our body in the muscle, nerve and brain cells, in the blood corpuscles and in the tissue fluids. According to Dr Schuessler, Nat Phos splits the lactic acid, which is produced by the work of muscles into carbonic acid and water. The carbonic acid is absorbed by the sodium phosphate and brought to the lungs where it is eliminated in the process of breathing. If Sodium phosphate is lacking, there results an excess of lactic acid and consequently a sour taste, heart burn, sour stools, vomiting of sour, caseous matter, particularly in babies who are overfed with sugar and milk. If lactic acid reaches the lymphatic glands, the albumin of the3 lymph coagulates and the gland begins to swell. In the initial stages of swelling of the lymphatic glands therefore, Nat Phos has a healing effect because it can split lactic acid. Mat Phos further assures that the uric acid of the blood which is formed by the splitting up of the albuminous substance is kept in solution and secreted by the kidneys. Should this not be the case, uric acid dill be deposited in the joints. The sequels are Rheumatism. Gout, Sciatica, Lumbago. In the gall Nat Phos saponifies the fatty acids which have been consumed with the food. It is hence indicated against digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
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'Nat Phos further assures that the uric acid of the blood which is formed by the splitting up of the albuminous substance is kept in solution and secreted by the kidneys. Should this not be the case, uric acid dill be deposited in the joints. The sequels are Rheumatism. Gout, Sciatica, Lumbago.
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In the gall Nat Phos saponifies the fatty acids which have been consumed with the food. It is hence indicated against digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat.'
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So,Schussler too confirms that Nat.phos helps in Rhematism. As I said earler it helps a lot, in reducing the stiffness of limbs. I experienced it.
The second part talks about
'digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat.'
Which is also true.
But, where is the reference to obesity in this.?
Nat.phos reducing obesity is a big myth.
Murthy
'Nat Phos further assures that the uric acid of the blood which is formed by the splitting up of the albuminous substance is kept in solution and secreted by the kidneys. Should this not be the case, uric acid dill be deposited in the joints. The sequels are Rheumatism. Gout, Sciatica, Lumbago.
**************
In the gall Nat Phos saponifies the fatty acids which have been consumed with the food. It is hence indicated against digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat.'
************
So,Schussler too confirms that Nat.phos helps in Rhematism. As I said earler it helps a lot, in reducing the stiffness of limbs. I experienced it.
The second part talks about
'digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat.'
Which is also true.
But, where is the reference to obesity in this.?
Nat.phos reducing obesity is a big myth.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Murthy,
You will remember that I was the first to announce on Christmas day 2004 that I had evidence that Nat Phos 6x reduced the weight of a patient to whom I gave it for his GERD, also reduced his weight. He was even heavier than you were at that time at 130kg and he saw me about 2 months after and I could not recognize him as he had lost about 7kg during this period. I then experimented with NP on a well padded lady who even today works in my organization and she too reported the same loss of weight. You may like to know that she still keeps on the daily dose of just 1 tablet NP per day which she occasionally increases to twice daily depending on the variations of her weight which she controls with the NP. I then posted my discovery on the ABC and other Homeopathic forums including your Hpathy and the Otherhealth as I wished to share my discovery with those who could benefit from my discovery. If you read the posts that I made at that time you will see the record of my discovery which I believed at that time and also believe today after 2 years that it does reduce weight in over 80% of the people who use it for this purpose.'
You have very correctly stated that Dr Scheussler did not record this weight reduction potential for Nat Phos 6x. You then proceed to dismiss this proved fact as a 'big myth' perhaps because it did not help you to reduce your own weight and also because Dr Scheussler did not discover it for himself 150 years ago. The mere fact that he did not do so, does not therefore mean that anyone else who discovers a new use for an existing remedy can be considered the perpetrator of a 'big myth'. Your statement seems to imply that only your pontifications are not Big Myths and this would seem ridiculous in the extreme and I would advise you not to resort to using words which are calculated to irritate other long standing members on the ABC. We are all here to help unlike you who only very rarely does so as your standard response which can be considered your own 'this for that' remedy is your advice the almost every patient is to see a classical homeopath, who presumable will fleece the long suffering patient with his constitutional remedies. I mention this fact as I have many cases who have confirmed that their classical homeopaths were not able to help them and they were surprised that I was able to do so with just one or two remedies.
You may like to know that I have ample evidence based on the results of many on whom I tested this remedy, that Nat Phos does indeed reduce weight. As no doubt you will realize there is a first for anything and I can claim to have discovered that Nat Phos 6x and also 3x will reduce the weight of over 80% of the persons who use it for this purpose.
I would also like to list another series of firsts in the use of Arnica for ailments which, to the best of my knowledge were first discovered and recorded by me. As far as I am aware the ailments in my Repertory have not been recorded in other classical MM's or Repertories in use today and I would appreciate your comments if you can spot any ailments that have in fact been recorded elsewhere.
I hope that they would serve as an eye opener to you and others of your ilk who invariably are very quick to criticize my posts on the assumption that they are not homeopathic by your own hyper classical standards. The fact remains however that my therapy has helped hundreds as you can read from the evidence on this forum
I believe that I was the first to record the curative effect of Arnica to help with the following:
I am typing the list below in UPPER case and hope that the ABC software will accept it in that format.
SUBSTITUTE FOR MORPHINE POST major SURGERY 200c and 30c
JET LAG 30c
LACK OF MOTOR FUNCTION OF EXTREMITIES IN 82 YEAR OLD 1M Wet Dose
MENTAL DEGENERATION IN THE AGED 1M
INSOMNIA 6c 30c
ECZEMA 30c
CELLULITIS 30c
PROMOTES GROWTH OF HAIR 30c
MYOSITIS 6c
ANGINA 200c
CHRONIC HEADACHE 30c
EASES URINE FLOW CAUSED BY BPH 30c Wet Dose
HELPS TO CONTROL INCONTINENCE AFTER TURP 30c
INTERNAL HAEMORRHAGE IN A HAEMOPHILIAC 200c
PIMPLES, ACNE, BLEPHARITIS, ROSACEA 30c
BED SORES 30c
NOSE BLEED 200c
RHEUMATISM AND GOUT 30c
ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION 6c
TONSILLITIS 30c
DIABETES 30c
Joe De Livera
You will remember that I was the first to announce on Christmas day 2004 that I had evidence that Nat Phos 6x reduced the weight of a patient to whom I gave it for his GERD, also reduced his weight. He was even heavier than you were at that time at 130kg and he saw me about 2 months after and I could not recognize him as he had lost about 7kg during this period. I then experimented with NP on a well padded lady who even today works in my organization and she too reported the same loss of weight. You may like to know that she still keeps on the daily dose of just 1 tablet NP per day which she occasionally increases to twice daily depending on the variations of her weight which she controls with the NP. I then posted my discovery on the ABC and other Homeopathic forums including your Hpathy and the Otherhealth as I wished to share my discovery with those who could benefit from my discovery. If you read the posts that I made at that time you will see the record of my discovery which I believed at that time and also believe today after 2 years that it does reduce weight in over 80% of the people who use it for this purpose.'
You have very correctly stated that Dr Scheussler did not record this weight reduction potential for Nat Phos 6x. You then proceed to dismiss this proved fact as a 'big myth' perhaps because it did not help you to reduce your own weight and also because Dr Scheussler did not discover it for himself 150 years ago. The mere fact that he did not do so, does not therefore mean that anyone else who discovers a new use for an existing remedy can be considered the perpetrator of a 'big myth'. Your statement seems to imply that only your pontifications are not Big Myths and this would seem ridiculous in the extreme and I would advise you not to resort to using words which are calculated to irritate other long standing members on the ABC. We are all here to help unlike you who only very rarely does so as your standard response which can be considered your own 'this for that' remedy is your advice the almost every patient is to see a classical homeopath, who presumable will fleece the long suffering patient with his constitutional remedies. I mention this fact as I have many cases who have confirmed that their classical homeopaths were not able to help them and they were surprised that I was able to do so with just one or two remedies.
You may like to know that I have ample evidence based on the results of many on whom I tested this remedy, that Nat Phos does indeed reduce weight. As no doubt you will realize there is a first for anything and I can claim to have discovered that Nat Phos 6x and also 3x will reduce the weight of over 80% of the persons who use it for this purpose.
I would also like to list another series of firsts in the use of Arnica for ailments which, to the best of my knowledge were first discovered and recorded by me. As far as I am aware the ailments in my Repertory have not been recorded in other classical MM's or Repertories in use today and I would appreciate your comments if you can spot any ailments that have in fact been recorded elsewhere.
I hope that they would serve as an eye opener to you and others of your ilk who invariably are very quick to criticize my posts on the assumption that they are not homeopathic by your own hyper classical standards. The fact remains however that my therapy has helped hundreds as you can read from the evidence on this forum
I believe that I was the first to record the curative effect of Arnica to help with the following:
I am typing the list below in UPPER case and hope that the ABC software will accept it in that format.
SUBSTITUTE FOR MORPHINE POST major SURGERY 200c and 30c
JET LAG 30c
LACK OF MOTOR FUNCTION OF EXTREMITIES IN 82 YEAR OLD 1M Wet Dose
MENTAL DEGENERATION IN THE AGED 1M
INSOMNIA 6c 30c
ECZEMA 30c
CELLULITIS 30c
PROMOTES GROWTH OF HAIR 30c
MYOSITIS 6c
ANGINA 200c
CHRONIC HEADACHE 30c
EASES URINE FLOW CAUSED BY BPH 30c Wet Dose
HELPS TO CONTROL INCONTINENCE AFTER TURP 30c
INTERNAL HAEMORRHAGE IN A HAEMOPHILIAC 200c
PIMPLES, ACNE, BLEPHARITIS, ROSACEA 30c
BED SORES 30c
NOSE BLEED 200c
RHEUMATISM AND GOUT 30c
ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION 6c
TONSILLITIS 30c
DIABETES 30c
Joe De Livera
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Is this an application for a nobel prize, or a serious statement regarding the usefullness of certain remedies? How many times can one use such phrases as 'I have discovered', 'first recorded by me', 'pioneered by myself', or 'me and my band of prescribers', before they become nothing more than self congratulation?
Actually, I have seen Nat Phos mentioned with regard to weight loss in many texts, all prior to 2004, when you 'announced this to the world' (hmm, odd timing too, christmas day huh?).
Mr De Livera, dredging up something about somebodies past for the purposes of trying to make them look foolish, and winning an argument, does not give your argument any more credence, neither do long, monotonous posts listing false achievements or discoveries, or congratulating yourself for using a method which has been used by others for centuries. We have all asked you some pertinent questions reagrding your supposed therapy, initially in a very polite tone before anything erupted here, and none of these questions have been answered, you merely respond in the manner above, and this is not acceptable for logical argument.
Homoeopathy is about curing the sick and advancing the human race, not self agrandizment, congratulation or empowerment, or to bolster ones own sense of self importance. The patient always comes first Mr De Livera, not the practitioner...
-Jacob.
Actually, I have seen Nat Phos mentioned with regard to weight loss in many texts, all prior to 2004, when you 'announced this to the world' (hmm, odd timing too, christmas day huh?).
Mr De Livera, dredging up something about somebodies past for the purposes of trying to make them look foolish, and winning an argument, does not give your argument any more credence, neither do long, monotonous posts listing false achievements or discoveries, or congratulating yourself for using a method which has been used by others for centuries. We have all asked you some pertinent questions reagrding your supposed therapy, initially in a very polite tone before anything erupted here, and none of these questions have been answered, you merely respond in the manner above, and this is not acceptable for logical argument.
Homoeopathy is about curing the sick and advancing the human race, not self agrandizment, congratulation or empowerment, or to bolster ones own sense of self importance. The patient always comes first Mr De Livera, not the practitioner...
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
Oh, and just as a fyi, which seems odd for me to have to say to a man who is certainly old enough to both know better, and have the life experience to realise this for himself, but I am sure I am not alone in knowing that I have made some fairly radical discoveries within the realm of Homoeopathy myself over the last 12 years (real ones at that), and I am sure many others here have also, but we do not parade them for all to see, and congratulate ourselves for these ad infinitum to receive the adulation of others, because this is brash, and distasteful, but moreover, this is not why we practice Homoeopathy, and most deffinitely not what the practice of Homoeopathy is about.
-Jacob.
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
I am also, btw, still waiting from you too, for the URL's to the posts where I have made any false claims, therefore resulting in my being 'exposed' I think was the word you used in your post. Your credentials may also be worth posting so that everyone may be aware of these for future reference. Whenever you're ready please Mr De Livera...
JCS2006 last decade
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
Please keep your cool. When you provocate others, you must be prepared to receive something in retaliation.
Anyway, I have one important question. What is the maximum weight loss experienced by anybody by using 'your' Nat.Phos?
Is he/she still maintaing the same reduced weight?
Give the url of that particulr thread/
email/physical address/telephone number of that person. Anyone of the above will suffice.
Murthy
Please keep your cool. When you provocate others, you must be prepared to receive something in retaliation.
Anyway, I have one important question. What is the maximum weight loss experienced by anybody by using 'your' Nat.Phos?
Is he/she still maintaing the same reduced weight?
Give the url of that particulr thread/
email/physical address/telephone number of that person. Anyone of the above will suffice.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I don't really think there is anything I want to add to the response above, but I would just like to pass on something I have always tried to live by, and which has always worked for me.
'There is only one constant in the universe, and this is truth. It never falters, it never fails, it cannot be twisted, buried, or manipulated, and it has no mercy.
If the truth offends you...CHANGE, because the truth never will.'
Regards to all.
-Jacob.
'There is only one constant in the universe, and this is truth. It never falters, it never fails, it cannot be twisted, buried, or manipulated, and it has no mercy.
If the truth offends you...CHANGE, because the truth never will.'
Regards to all.
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
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