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I gave my wife Ignatia

I have been trying to find a remedy for my wife. She has a hysterical tendency that when she becomes upset or vexed a number of mental symptoms appear. She will become completely withdrawn and indifferent to everything even her own little baby, which would be lying next to her screaming for a feed and she would lie still and ignore her cries. She will not speak or eat anything; she will weep and become indifferent to everything. She may get something into her head which would be far from the truth and torment herself thinking about it until she becomes nearly insane. If I try to speak with her she will become quarrelsome, aggressive and blurt out things with the intention of hurting and she will want to torment herself. There is always that sadness in the back of her mind and she speaks very fondly about her dear father who died in a car accident when she was 10 or 11. She told me that at the time it was a huge shock and loss to her and I feel the symptoms she suffers from now could be because of this grief.

When she was in the state I have mentioned above I gave her a single dose of Ignatia 200 which almost instantly returned her to normality. The next time she went into this state I gave her Ignatia 1M which had the same positive result. But unfortunately the symptoms return sooner or later. Shall I give her Ignatia 10M?
 
  eurostar on 2006-11-07
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Give her Natrum Mur 10M just one dose.It is the chronic of Ignatia and what you have described of her nature and grief for death of father and the fact that Ignatia always helps but fails to cure permanently, all these point to Natrum Mur.Report about the response to Nat Mur after a few weeks.Give just one dose and do not repeat without telling us the response.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
good advise
 
Sycotic last decade
Thanks for the advice. I will give her a single dose of Nat Mur 10M.
 
eurostar last decade
You know what . Sometimes when Nat mur is given the patient may become flooded with greif for a time you may consider giving a lower poteny first and move up the scale. I think there would be nothing wrong with starting with a 30c. Better safe than sorry.
 
Sycotic last decade
Sycotic, I appreciate your suggestion. I did give her a single dose of Nat Mur 1M about 12 months ago but I never followed it up again. What do you think about starting with 1M again?
 
eurostar last decade
Dear Rajiv / Sycotic, I appreciate the advice that you have given me but I am not in a position to suggest anything. But now I have to choose what method I should go with. If we go with Nat Mur 10M how long could the aggravations last before she sees the improvements?
 
eurostar last decade
Dear Rajiv, can you please advise me why I should give my wife Nat Mur in 10M rather than giving a lower potency and going up in scale?
 
eurostar last decade
'eurostar' :
As of what Nesha-India, has understood, the brief details of your wife, I would neither suggest 'Ignatia" or 'Nat.Mur.', as the appropriate remedy for this case.

Nesha-India, requests your feed-back on the Psycho-Profile of your wife, prepared as per the brief details provided by you. Please confirm with a Yes or No, with comments where-ever possible.

Your wife is :
1. age is less than 30
2. lives a sedentary life style (lazy inactive life)
3. very little self-confidence
4. brooding nature - (thinking on same very repeated thoughts)
5. has gastric problems
6. sort of less inclined to sex
7. sensitive natured
8. suspicious natured
9. some sort of vision problems
10. does not like nuisance people around her.
11. hardly smiles or laughs, voluntarily.
12. short term memory lapse. Forgets selected things easily.


Please reply on the above. On your confirmation, I'll suggest you her constitutional remedy.

CONSIDER THIS QUOTE :
'It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious'

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India

Also read Other articles / posts by Nesha-India :
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/52848/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/40731/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/51562/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/55158/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254/
 
Nesha-India last decade
Dear Eurostar,

I suggested what i thought is best for your wife and gave my reasons.Now, i am very busy with my thesis work and my involvement at this forum will become bare minimum for a few months due to lack of time.

Feel free to do as you please after listening to all the advises given by all the prescribers and may be consulting a nearby experienced homeopath to take his opinion too.

We have some excellent prescribers on the forum.

All the best.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
If she has taken 1m before without trouble you could probably repeat that dose (once)since it has been so long. Pay close attention for any improvement. I should think you would get a response if the remedy is right. You know there are rules ie acute ignatia = chronic Nat mur but of course there are alot more things to consider as you can imagine. No promises making this type of assumption right.
 
Sycotic last decade
Dear Eurostar,

When Natrum Mur has been tried in 1m long back,single dose of NM-1m can be given and slwly raise the potency if needed.
Along with counselling her in her ailments like talking to her,venting up her feelings will definately make her feel better.

Sharada
 
sharada last decade
Thanks all for your suggestions. I will give my wife a single dose of NAT MUR 1M.
 
eurostar last decade
Dear all. I gave my wife NAT MUR 1M 2 weeks ago. she has since gone into the state mentioned in my first post twice. On the first occasion she got something in her mind, convinced herself that it is true, tormented herself thinking about it and at about 2am in the morning picked up the baby and was about to walk out of the house. I had to calm her down. It was as though she was hypnotised when I looked into her eyes. Anyway, that was the extreme event. It has not since been so bad but she still has her moments when she will flip. The thing is that she doesn’t talk about it or scream or shout, she will just become mute. She will regret her actions later and promise she will not do it again but it seems she just can’t help it.

Nesha-India,
Thanks for your post also.
i have tried to answer your questions too:

1. age is less than 30
- yes. she is 23 Years
2. lives a sedentary life style (lazy inactive life)
- no. can be lazy but not sedentary
3. very little self-confidence
- no. generally she is confident
4. brooding nature - (thinking on same very repeated thoughts)
- yes.
5. has gastric problems
- no
6. sort of less inclined to sex
- no. she is inclined
7. sensitive natured
- yes
8. suspicious natured
- yes, maybe.
9. some sort of vision problems
- not really. But when she gets a headache she feels faint and says vision is blured.
10. does not like nuisance people around her.
- maybe not.
11. hardly smiles or laughs, voluntarily.
- no.
12. short term memory lapse. Forgets selected things easily.
- yes.
 
eurostar last decade
correction:
11. hardly smiles or laughs, voluntarily.
- yes. she does smile and laugh voluntarily.
 
eurostar last decade
My advice would actually be Sepia, the grandest of keynotes is there...'She will become completely withdrawn and indifferent to everything even her own little baby, which would be lying next to her screaming for a feed and she would lie still and ignore her cries', and Sepia types also have this tendency to hysteria when provoked in those of a Tubercular diathesis.

Just my two cents worth...


-Jacob.
 
JCS2006 last decade
I think Jacob is right.I don't know how i missed that bit of information.The fact that Ignatia had helped her and Nat Mur is so easily connected to Nat Mur perhaps blinded me.

Perhaps you could try Sepia one dose after a week or two.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
yes, based on this pecuiar symptom she could be a SEPIA lady.

check out a these,

- sometimes her love for you turns into hate temporarily.

- she likes to stay indoors in a cosed warm environment.

- she weeps not knowing why.

- she hates doing laundry.

- has a saddle mark on her nose.

- cracked lips, rough elbows

- loves sweet and sour.

if the answer is yes to most of these above, sepia could be the solution.
 
rishimba last decade
i think its all started after the birth of baby. i might b rong. if i m right then please givr her ARNICA
 
purdaysee last decade
Otto Lesser.

'It is often not easy to make a difference between Sep and Nat.mur based on mental symptoms.'

source: Encyclopedia of remedy relationships in homeopathy.

Sep is obviously the next choice. However, I prefer to wait for atleast three weeks,after giving Nat.mur 1M.

While giving single doses, it is very very important to ensure that the medicine is not antidoted in the process of giving itself.

That is why I always insist..

Make sure that there are no odors on you, around you(in the room) and in your mouth,while taking the medicine.

It is best to use liquid dilutions, rather than pellets.

The pellets may become soggy,loose their color,after prologed periods of storage.

The liquid solutions, if stored properly are the best bet.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
I fully agree to Murthy. When we adminster med in Higher potency, it is always better to wait for enough time and then think of next prescription.
 
sharada last decade
fully agree to Murthy. When we adminster med in Higher potency, it is always better to wait for enough time and then think of next prescription.
 
sharada last decade
Jacob, Rishimba, Rajiv, Murthy & others

APOLOGIES, BUT ...

Nesha-India, psychologically and 'psychically' still theorieses that 'Sepia" also is not the appropriate remedy in the above patients case. Sepia can at best be used as a inter-current remedy, which could cause relapses, (as in case of Ignatia & Nat.Mur.) when used as a stand-alone remedy.

The following is a symptom, AND NOT THE CAUSATIVE FACTOR FOR HER DISTRESS.
- - - start
'indifferent to everything even her own little baby, which would be lying next to her screaming for a feed and she would lie still and ignore her cries.'

- IF THE patient could have been 'indifferent to her loved ones', then the patient could not have been described as follows :

'and at about 2am in the morning picked up the baby and was about to walk out of the house. I had to calm her down. It was as though she was hypnotised when I looked into her eyes. '
- in being 'indifferent', the patient could have left behind the baby and 'THEN' walked out.
- the patient did the above ONLY after being 'depressed, deplorable, mournful'
- - - end



NESHA-INDIA, HAS USED, WHAT IS CALLED AS 'SKINNING THE HAIR' SYNDROME for this case : Here's my 'psychic' perception of the case. :

THE INITIAL -'INITIATING'- 'CAUSATIVE FACTOR' :

1. The patient is 'indulging in thoughts of pleasing sadness', when the patient is described as follows :
- - - start
' There is always that sadness in the back of her mind and she speaks very fondly about her dear father who died in a car accident when she was 10 or 11. She told me that at the time it was a huge shock and loss to her and I feel the symptoms she suffers from now could be because of this grief. '
- - - end

NOW,
- here sepia cannot be considered, IF Sepia is related for being indifferent to loved ones.
- the patient is totally infatuated with her dear loved father, since last 13 years.
- the patient is still 'indulging in thoughts of pleasing sadness' (loved father)
- the patient does not want to 'forego' the 'thoughts of pleasing sadness', which relates to her 'dear loved father' to which thought she is not being indifferent.
- the patient does not want to indulge in NEW emotions or is averse to NEW emotions
- here it essentially means that the patient is always trying to be 'nostalgic' and her current pleasures (that is her child and husband) is at back-stage. This implies a mental struggle between her past 'pleasing sadness' and her current 'social happiness'.
- The past pleasing sadness thoughts are over-whelming her to handle her current emotions.


2. The patient is delibertely indulging in 'wistful pensiveness', when the patient is described as follows :
- - - start
- She will become completely withdrawn and indifferent to everything
- She will not speak or eat anything;
- she will weep and become indifferent to everything.
- She may get something into her head which would be far from the truth and torment herself thinking about it until she becomes nearly insane.
- If I try to speak with her she will become quarrelsome, aggressive and blurt out things with the intention of hurting and she will want to torment herself.
- On the first occasion she got something in her mind, convinced herself that it is true, tormented herself thinking about it
- - - end


3. The patient is 'depressed, deplorable, mournful', when the patient is described as follows :
- - - start
- She may get something into her head which would be far from the truth and torment herself thinking about it until she becomes nearly insane
- The thing is that she doesn’t talk about it or scream or shout, she will just become mute. She will regret her actions later and promise she will not do it again but it seems she just can’t help it.
- - - end


4. The patients symptom descriptions points out to 'Melancholy', that is 'prolonged dejection & misery & mournful'
- This has resulted after the death of her father at a very young impressionable age of 13, and is imbibed into her memory (psychic-mind).
- NOW the patient is over-burdened (both mentally & physically) due to the following
- - - mental misery over her father's loss
- - - stress of handling her infant child at age 23, when she is probably not ready for 'voluntary' motherhood.


ABOVE are my analysis. Only for Acadamic discussions. Comments invited.

read : http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/94463/
titled 'Melancholy = Mis-managed Nostalgic thinking'

ALSO A THOUGHT :
'Smiling occurs regardless of culture. Smiling is an innate reaction. Smiling is the only human facial expression that can be recognized at a distance of 300 feet. It also makes the brain produce endorphins hormone-like substances that have analgesic properties and are responsible for positive moods. '


Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
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Nesha-India last decade
'eurostar' :

Please read the above assessment by Nesha-India. Use your discretion before starting the following suggested remedies.


1. Discontinue ANY & ALL homeo medicines, for atleast 07 days, before taking the following homeo treatments whatsoever. You may continue medicines anything apart from the Homeopathic front.
2. From your case history presentation, the constitutional medicines SEEMS to be 'LYCOPODIUM" though this could be inappropriate to say for sure when treating via Internet.

My perception of your wife's treatment regime is as follows :

1. Lyco-30 on day 1, one drop liquid direct on a clean scraped tongue, the last thing in the night.
2. Lyco-200 on day 2, one drop liquid direct on a clean scraped tongue, the last thing in the night.
3. Lyco-1M on day 3, one drop liquid direct on a clean scraped tongue, the last thing in the night.
4. Lyco-50M on day 4, one drop liquid direct on a clean scraped tongue, the last thing in the night.
STOP (with feedback over here)

ALONG WITH ABOVE, 'MUST' take following as a routine for the next 6 months.

1. Kali.Phos.-12X + Silicea-30X ....... 4 tablets of each, as one dose, such dose atleast 3 times a day, till further feedback over here.
2. Bach flower remedies as follows :
- Walnut + Cherry Plum + Holly
- - - Mix one drop each of the above Bach flower remedies in a TEA-spoon of water. Keep this dose on the tongue for about half a minute and then gulp down. Do this atleast 4 times a day. TILL further feedback over here.


- Do not change potency / power / quantity or method of taking above medicines.
- Do not take above medicines in pill form or wet dose form or any other form.
- You may ask any number of questions pertaining to your treatment modalities.
- DO NOT consume any FOOD, that is factory packed or factory processed, WHATSOEVER, STRICTLY (ask questions on this one, if confused).
- The patient has immediately to be taken off all foods containing 'yeast' (bakers yeast or brewers yeast), which would mean STRICTLY SAYING 'NO' to all bakery products (bread, biscuits, cakes ....) and drastically reduce all Sodium rich foods (like salt, sugar, ANY & ALL factory processed foods).
- a one to one counseling with a psycho-therapist in your area, would also help your wife.
- you can also ask you wife to randomly read the following link :
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/55158/ (Laughter is the best Medicne)


Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
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Nesha-India last decade
Dear Nesha

It is very difficult to have a consensus on problems like these, as to which will be the most suitable next medicine.

The case has some Lyco symptoms too.

But, a case benefitted by Ignatia, and having strong Nat.mur traits should be given nat.mur to see what happens.

If you wait for enough time, it will do all the good it can.

Next could be sepia one dose, and again wait for a month.

Perhaps, if still problems persist, and if Lyco seems still indicated, we can try that too.

All medicines,even if partially indicated, given one at a time, with a maximum waiting period will nudge the patient towards better health, gradually.

Each medicine will do whatever good it can. But, it is important not to have a predetermined series in mind, but the next medicine is to be selected based on the picture.

If the picture remains same,and there is no benefit from the chosen medicine,another appropriate medicine is to be selected.

So, Nat.mur 1M is the natural choice, after Ignatia.

We have to review the case,once we are sure that nat.mur is no longer acting.

Based on the symptoms presented so far, there are two possibilities. Sepia and lyco. May be a repetetion of Nat.mur too?

So, let us not jump the gun.

All of us will wait for a week atleast, get the fresh picture and discuss again.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Nesha, Sepia is not merely an intercurrent, but an anti-miasmatic remedy of the highest order, and an indespensable one at that, treating as it does Psora, Tuberculosis and Sycosis.

It is just as much a 'constitutional' remedy as any other anti-miasmatic.

Best wishes.


-Jacob.
 
JCS2006 last decade

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