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Applying Adjusted Ramakrishnan Method to Canine with Leu.
My 7-year-old Shiloh Shepherd was diagnosed with leukemia April 15, 2020. Healthy and happy as far as we could see until late March or early April. Looking back, she started running less in woods in March, but she could still jump up into the back of the Toyota RAV4. First week of April she got tired on walks and had to be encouraged to jump into car.April 6 – Started decreased appetite and increasingly stayed outside and in garage all day/night (temp in 30’s and 40’s). Drinking lots of cold water, some of which she vomited soon after.
April 13 – a.m. I gave Rosey Phos 30c, maybe twice. Took Rosey to vet 4:30 p.m. for bloodwork and fecal work. Weight 124 lbs., had lost 6 lbs. She is a very tall and long Shiloh, and had been slightly overweight (about 5 lbs.).
April 14 – Saw no change in Rosey. Gave Phos 1M. Early evening received results of bloodwork. Amemic and low platelet count. Feces negative. Extremely lethargic, some movement between garage and backyard (through large dog door) with lots of laying and panting afterwards, eating once a day (raw).
April 15 – Gave Phos 1M in a.m. Took Rosey to MedVet in late morning. Received results of ultrasound in late afternoon (enlarged spleen, something wonky with liver). Then first vet called with further details from bloodwork (leukemia, likely lymphoid/ lymphoblastic). I forwarded results to MedVet; Oncology identified acute leukemia with life expectancy from a couple weeks to a few months. Dr. S then spoke with me at length and was extremely kind. Brought Rosey home. Started reading Ramakrishnan/Coulter, and ordered Hekla Lava and Ceanothus Americanus, having already in possession Carcinosin, Schirrhinum, and Symphytum, among others.
April 16 – Gave Phos 30c 2x. Tried to give her plussed Phos 1M twice, but both times she became extremely agitated about getting water from a spoon, even at the side of her mouth.
April 17 – Gave Rosey Phos 1M pills by mouth a.m. Plussed 3 pills and put about a cup in her clean water. I had planned to do the plussing method as developed by Ramakrishnan, but with Rosey having such a strong reaction to me putting water in her mouth I’ve had to re-think that. Rosey ate twice today, the first time since April 6 (always raw, and has occasionally wanted greenie dental treats).
April 18 – Added water to yesterday’s Phos 1M in the canning jar, gently swirled 20 times, and added about 1 cup to her clean water. Rosey again ate this morning, 3 raw chicken strips and ½ cup ground turkey. She asked for a treat, which she put on her bed in the garage. She went to the car indicating she wants to go for a ride, so I took her to the park where we always walk and she is able to be off-leash. Mostly a little slow (she did trot immediately after exiting the car), ate grass, and clearly happy to be there. Had difficulty getting back into the car. Will order a ramp. Had diarrhea at park and in evening at home. Vomited water once (that I saw) soon after drinking. Laid in garage or backyard remainder of day. Did not eat meat a second time, but at some point ate a treat that she had kept in the garage.
April 19 – Added water to yesterday’s Phos 1M in the canning jar, gently swirled 20 times, and added about 1 cup to her clean water. Ate three raw chicken strips this morning and put the short ribs on her bed (i.e., to save for later). Laid in garage for several hours, joined me and my husband in front yard and laid for several hours. Have not seen vomiting water, but looks like she swallows it back down. Ate 3 raw chicken strips in evening (no short ribs).
April 20 – Ate 2 small greenie treats and about 2/3 c ground turkey in a.m. Drank, did not see vomiting. Moved around to backyard, in house, and frontyard, where she is laying in mulch.
I should receive the remedies today. I plan to give her pills once a week and also add plussed remedy into her water bowl daily for a week. Planning to start with Ceanothus Americanus 200c rather than Hekla Lava due to enlarged spleen, alternating with Carcinosin 200c rather than Schirrhinum because no evidence of hard nodules. These decisions are based on cases described by Ramakrishnan/Coulter.
Questions: First, wondering if the 200c potency may be too high for Rosey in her condition, and at the same time, wondering if I start with once a week, or more often? Second, I don’t know how effective the plussed rememdy will be after Rosey drinks from the bowl the first time and her saliva mixes with the water, but changing the water after each drink would not always be possible. I hope it will continue to be effective. Finally, I don’t know if this would work to heal Rosey since she will not be getting a plussed rememdy every 15 minutes for 10x as is Ramakrishnan’s method. However, I do think it’s worth a try because from my readings various processes can work in homeopathy. I won’t fool myself to think this will bring about a cure, though I wish it would, but I do hope to give Rosey a more relaxed experience. I will appreciate thoughts and ideas from your experience with any aspect of what I’ve described. Thank you, and I hope you are all safe and healthy.
Marie20 on 2020-04-20
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
200c is not stronger than 1M. You have already given 1M and are balking about 200c? You could use 200c. Dosage classical will be to use once or twice a week. If you want to bombard the VF like they do with Banerjee and AUR, then may be once or twice a day.
Plussing contains an unique element where every day two hours is allotted for the doses to be taken frequently to exhaust the prepared solution almost by the EOD---this may suit humans more. However if it's inconvenient you could also use wet dose.
To understand classical protocols in C'R, please research upon Grimmer who was pioneer in this.
Plussing contains an unique element where every day two hours is allotted for the doses to be taken frequently to exhaust the prepared solution almost by the EOD---this may suit humans more. However if it's inconvenient you could also use wet dose.
To understand classical protocols in C'R, please research upon Grimmer who was pioneer in this.
♡ maheeru 4 years ago
Thank you for your reply and suggestions. It’s very helpful. I gave Rosey the Phos 1M (based on drinking lots of cold water and vomiting as soon as warmed in stomach) because I hadn’t received the remedies I ordered for the leuk at that point. She has stopped vomiting. Once I received the other remedies I went to Cean Am 200c , which I have given twice and added plussed to her water bowls (but not sure that the plussed remedy is effective added to a dog’s water), and next week I will use the Cars 200c per Ramakrishnan’s method. I appreciate you telling me about using 200c once or twice a week for classical usage and I can give her a wet dose, too. I was hoping to follow Ramakrishnan’s plussing approach but it is not comfortable for my dog. She is still eating raw meat once or twice a day and drinking a lot. It is harder for her to stand up and she seems dizzy or nauseous when she does (stands still for about 30 seconds before walking). She lays for long hours wherever she moves to, but she still goes to the backyard to go to bathroom. She has periods of time when she breaths hard. Again, I appreciate your response. I am knowledgeable about classical, but not confident. I will look into the Grimmer reference you suggested as well. I don’t know what VF or EOD or C’R means, could you clarify? Much thanks.
Marie20 4 years ago
Will make another post when I get time.
For now I wanted to answer: VF=Vital Force, EOD=End of Day, CR=malicious disease/cncr we can't write the disease name.
It'd be A.H Grimmer MD. EOD is significant because from 10 pm to midnight the time period is selected to do nothing except finishing the dose. (plussing).
For now I wanted to answer: VF=Vital Force, EOD=End of Day, CR=malicious disease/cncr we can't write the disease name.
It'd be A.H Grimmer MD. EOD is significant because from 10 pm to midnight the time period is selected to do nothing except finishing the dose. (plussing).
♡ maheeru 4 years ago
Thank you for the additional information, and I look forward to hearing more when you have time. Not sure if you have read A Homeopathic Approach to C’R by Coulter and Ramakrishnan, but I have found it very informative.
Marie20 4 years ago
Since the life span suggested is just two weeks at the lower end, giving one dose a week may not be a good idea. 30c or 200c would be a good choice compared to 1M. Use Carci(base remedy) twice a week. Other remedies can be done two to three times a day.
Yes phos. may be helpful with low platelet as well. But 200 is preferable to 1M.
I'm aware of the info. contained in the book :)
[Edited by maheeru on 2020-04-26 04:38:42]
Yes phos. may be helpful with low platelet as well. But 200 is preferable to 1M.
I'm aware of the info. contained in the book :)
[Edited by maheeru on 2020-04-26 04:38:42]
♡ maheeru 3 years ago
THANK YOU for your suggestions and information. I really appreciate your generosity with your knowledge.
Marie20 3 years ago
Welcome Marie20, Good luck with your pet. I have worked with human patients having this disease but not with animals/birds having this disease.
♡ maheeru 3 years ago
Yes, I used to take her to a homeopathic vet where we used to live, so I know the treatment is similar or the same. I do have a follow up question, Maheeru. I have given Rosey Cean Am 200c by mouth every other day since 4/20. The reasons are 1) I had ordered the 200c and 1M thinking I was going to plus them, but doses by spoonful are too stressful for Rosey, so I first just gave the 200c. 2) I gave her this because the ultrasound showed an enlarged spleen, and along with the leuk indicates this remedy (ala Ramakrishnan). 3) She ate more the night I gave it to her and the next day ate and interacted more and showed more energy. 4) The following day back to being lethargic, looking very sick, droopy eyes, hardly moving, so that afternoon another dose. Then the same pattern each time. My plan is to give her carc 200c tomorrow, and see how long it lasts, then give it to her again for the week. I was thinking then to go back to Cean Am 200c the next week (following a partial Ramakrishnan), but now wondering if I might go to Cean Am 30c (or anything else indicated) in between the Carc, and continue the Carc the following week? The good thing is it has already been two weeks and she’s eating more (twice a day) than before I took her to the vet (4/14, once a day or not at all).
I have attached a picture taken when Rosey was healthy. Thank you for helping me help her.
I have attached a picture taken when Rosey was healthy. Thank you for helping me help her.
Marie20 3 years ago
AUR protocol or B protocol do not believe in wait+watch approach. So both protocols entail dosing regularly and frequently for weeks on and at times months on.
Yes I always start with 30c split wet dose rather than 200c. But you should not change potencies within a week. They should be given a few weeks time---refer AUR cases--he never changes potency within a week.
And yes mostly other organisms are similar to humans. The first bird I treated had a fracture, I was initially hesitant thinking they have hollow bones---would they react the same way the humans do? But amazingly with the homeopathic remedy the bones set well :)
If you are doing sort of dry dose without further dilution+succussion, you could go conservative otherwise in wet dose you could go twice daily. Like you could make a wet dose of Cean Amer 30c in a bottle[400ml+5 pills/drops of medicine] from this you could dose the water container. But just before every dose, you would shake the bottle for 7 times up and down and in downward motion you would need to hit the bottle gently against your other inner palm or a thick bound book. After doing this succussion, you would transfer a teaspoon of medicinal solution to the container through which you give medicine to your pet. Since every subsequent dose will be from the same bottled preparation, this bottle needs to be preserved away from sunlight and moisture. Some people also use needle-less syringe. You will have to keep them separate for different medicines. You could also space apart these split wet doses twice or thrice in a day and you won't have to dose every 15 minutes as in plussing.
Yes I always start with 30c split wet dose rather than 200c. But you should not change potencies within a week. They should be given a few weeks time---refer AUR cases--he never changes potency within a week.
And yes mostly other organisms are similar to humans. The first bird I treated had a fracture, I was initially hesitant thinking they have hollow bones---would they react the same way the humans do? But amazingly with the homeopathic remedy the bones set well :)
If you are doing sort of dry dose without further dilution+succussion, you could go conservative otherwise in wet dose you could go twice daily. Like you could make a wet dose of Cean Amer 30c in a bottle[400ml+5 pills/drops of medicine] from this you could dose the water container. But just before every dose, you would shake the bottle for 7 times up and down and in downward motion you would need to hit the bottle gently against your other inner palm or a thick bound book. After doing this succussion, you would transfer a teaspoon of medicinal solution to the container through which you give medicine to your pet. Since every subsequent dose will be from the same bottled preparation, this bottle needs to be preserved away from sunlight and moisture. Some people also use needle-less syringe. You will have to keep them separate for different medicines. You could also space apart these split wet doses twice or thrice in a day and you won't have to dose every 15 minutes as in plussing.
♡ maheeru 3 years ago
Maheeru, thank you, again, for the details of your suggestions. Since I started with Cean Am 200c dry dose, I have not changed to 30c (which I do not have anyway). I did give Rosey Carc 200c Tuesday, but that day she was most lethargic and barely ate or drank. So not knowing what else to do I went back to Cean Am 200c dry yesterday and today. She is still lethargic, eating/drinking just a bit more, and she does go from garage to to backyard to lay down at times.
I do understand your explanation of wet doses as my homeopath (Michael Somerson, D.O., he passed away about 15 years ago) prescribed remedies as such for me. Unfortunately, my dog actually stands up (with great effort) and shakes her head vehemently when I give her a small amount of water in her mouth, shaking the water everywhere. I am willing to try this again because I think I have a needle-less syringe, but I am trying to decide if I should go to this process with the Cean Am or something else, or continue Cean Am dry and do something else wet. I do not want to hurry to the wrong remedy or process and perhaps make things worse.
I will order Grimmer reference, but which book is best for discussion of AUR protocol and B protocol? I appreciate any reference suggestions you have as well as all the energy you have spent sharing your experience.
I do understand your explanation of wet doses as my homeopath (Michael Somerson, D.O., he passed away about 15 years ago) prescribed remedies as such for me. Unfortunately, my dog actually stands up (with great effort) and shakes her head vehemently when I give her a small amount of water in her mouth, shaking the water everywhere. I am willing to try this again because I think I have a needle-less syringe, but I am trying to decide if I should go to this process with the Cean Am or something else, or continue Cean Am dry and do something else wet. I do not want to hurry to the wrong remedy or process and perhaps make things worse.
I will order Grimmer reference, but which book is best for discussion of AUR protocol and B protocol? I appreciate any reference suggestions you have as well as all the energy you have spent sharing your experience.
Marie20 3 years ago
slow down dosing..
take time reaccess
using testing data as guide for homooepathic treatment (this for that type of protocall)
..be-=aware ...i.e lukimia,enlargede spleen...= carcin,ceonotheus...
med choice .
key wil be what had ocured just prior /around time symptoms started showing...could be anything...trigerr..etc ..
i.e ...changes in routines/new howm ...owner's life changed affecting...vaccines.....reflect and see wht u narrow to..
take time reaccess
using testing data as guide for homooepathic treatment (this for that type of protocall)
..be-=aware ...i.e lukimia,enlargede spleen...= carcin,ceonotheus...
med choice .
key wil be what had ocured just prior /around time symptoms started showing...could be anything...trigerr..etc ..
i.e ...changes in routines/new howm ...owner's life changed affecting...vaccines.....reflect and see wht u narrow to..
♡ John Stanton 3 years ago
Thank you, John, for your input. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I hadn't considered what occurred just prior/around time symptoms started, but I will give it more thought. In mid April I had told the vet that just a few weeks prior Rosey had seemed quite well, jumping up into the car easily. Looking back, I can remember some days where she seemed tired, but then she would be fine. I cannot think of any significant change in life style or event, but I will reflect some more. And yes, I have been using the testing data as a guide, so I chose Ceanothus to begin. If you have any other thoughts, I am happy to receive them.
Marie20 3 years ago
symptoms u observe wil guide .
relax..be clear..observe...
locations..(modalities --beter for worse for) out of character expressions and triggers.....
.if using homoeopthy..as mentioned time period prior to the noticing of thiongs changing.....introducing new dietart/nutritional item..vaccines...treament soem oth er ill prior...even months prior...emotional upset within fsamily structure...fellow pet freind being removed ...etc etctec ....
relax..be clear..observe...
locations..(modalities --beter for worse for) out of character expressions and triggers.....
.if using homoeopthy..as mentioned time period prior to the noticing of thiongs changing.....introducing new dietart/nutritional item..vaccines...treament soem oth er ill prior...even months prior...emotional upset within fsamily structure...fellow pet freind being removed ...etc etctec ....
♡ John Stanton 3 years ago
Okay, thank you very much for everything, but especially - relax, be clear, observe, and for locations/modalities/out of character expressions, triggers. I am trying to be more confident, and at the same time accept that I may not get it right. I can just do my best. Take good care of yourself, too.
Marie20 3 years ago
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Grimmer has two books one with Bernoville and another with dr. Robin Murphy. You could refer any one. AUR's books is the best source to get the information about AUR protocol, the same way there is also a book on Dr B's protocols released by Prasantha Banerjee homeopathic research foundation.
From the AUR book Cheon Americ seemed a reasonable pick based on Leuk+Enlarged Spleen. But the results decide how good a remedy is. Once you get to a working remedy with good results in this particular pathology ---the posology will have to be different because this is niche and a lot of people won't be able to appreciate this niche.
[Edited by maheeru on 2020-05-01 02:34:38]
♡ maheeru 3 years ago
Marie20 3 years ago
Thank you, Simone. I appreciate your interjection and clarification. I’m learning a lot from everyone.
Marie20 3 years ago
Yes posology is the art of dosing.
Classical protocols have some wait and watch time ---refer A.H Grimmer, but the other two don't have much wait and watch approach.
If this remedy does not work well, obviously another needs to be found. Keep Ferr. Ars. in radar for future use.
[Edited by maheeru on 2020-05-11 02:12:56]
Classical protocols have some wait and watch time ---refer A.H Grimmer, but the other two don't have much wait and watch approach.
If this remedy does not work well, obviously another needs to be found. Keep Ferr. Ars. in radar for future use.
[Edited by maheeru on 2020-05-11 02:12:56]
♡ maheeru 3 years ago
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