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I recently began constitutional homeopathy. I was given Nat-Mur LM and took 3 doses and developed bad ear ache/congestion/ear ringing. My homeopath took me off the constitutional remedy (Nat-Mur) and treated the ear issue as an acute issue. After trying low dose Pulsatilla, Sulfur and Sepia, Mercuria helped ease the ear discomfort. However, the next day, I developed an exascerbation of anxiety and head pressure (two of my chie complaints for seeking constitutional homeopathy. My homeopath was 'spooked' by the aggravation of emotional/mental symptoms and decided to make the treatment of those the priority (acute issue). I was then instructed to do nothing for two days and we were going to proceed with the constitutional slowly and in low doses (6x, 12x) which seemed to again cause more aggravation with my ears. He deduced that my addressing physical ailments, more emotional reactions were emerging. I had been struggling with anxiety for 9 months but not at this intensity. After revisiting my emotional/anxiety symptom pictures, he had me take phosphorous 200c (I may have antidoted by drinking mint/chamomile tea earlier in the day-not sure). The next morning I had terrible nervousness and took 2 Xanax to prevent a panic attack. He said I antidoted it and moved me to the next remedy, Ignatia 1M which I took at noon (after taking the Xanax that morning). He was not happy that I took the Xanax but the anxiety was really bad. Since taking Ignatia 1M, I have been nervous, ear symptoms (they are ongoing), headache, and I haven't slept at all and it is now the next morning. It was a huge struggle getting through the day and night (especially with terrible ear symptoms) and no reduction in anxiety. Are these aggravations that I need to push through to see if Ignatia will reduce my anxiety which is our priority right now, or should I antidote it so I can get some sleep. Would taking a Xanax really antidote it? He wants me off Xanax but I'll never make it when the anxiety is like it's been since I started this whole process. I'm losing faith in homeopathy Not seen any results in over 3 weeks and really feel worse each day. These remedies have increased my anxiety markedly and I can't get rid of my ears feeling full/blocked/congested and ringing. He wants me to report back to him today on Ignatia and based on what I tell him, possibly try Silicia 200C. Should I give these remedies more time to work before moving on to the next one. He is trying to get me relief from this terrible anxiety but it is getting worse and now I'm not even sleeping (only 3 hours in two nights) which is the only tie I get relief from feeling bad, even getting depressed and crying a lot. Should I push through this with the hope of improvement or go to the next remedy. And to I realy need to go without any Xanax? Please help. . .I'm really trying to make sense of this and I thought this guy was pretty knowledgeable, he certainly has taken a lot of time with me on the phone (he lives far away).SunnyC on 2013-07-26
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
You can antidote and then switch homeopaths.
First the homeopath knows you are sensitive so he decided to do
LM potencies. LM potencies are ones that sometimes are used for
sensitive people when they need remedies every few days -
they are a different scale of potencies.
Instead of starting you out on LM, ( and which LM btw- 1 or 2 or 3 ?)
He could have had you take nat mur 30c in what they call a water dose
or a split dose. This is where you mix the remedy in a cup of water,
and then put a tsp. in another cup of water and take a tsp. out of
that cup. Water dosing or split dosing on people is gentle and avoids
aggravations. Nat mur when too much of it or wrong gives people
symptoms of a cold a lot of times. If you had ever had the ear problem
previous to this, it would be an old thing coming up. Or if you never
had it all, it was too much remedy . You can wait and effects will
wear off.
After this he sounds totally confused doing what he is doing.
And.. for people with severe anxiety, homeopaths can give remedies
and slowly let the person stop using the other medicines.
Take the Xanax and calm down.
You have to have a gap now of letting these things get out of
your system. The homeopath was not giving you the right potencies
in the right way for your sensitivity. You can have a gap of nothing
for a week and you can also go get a shiatsu massage if you have
good people near you trained in that. I have had several people get
nat mur out of their system doing this.
Anyway you need a gap, and then might need some doses of
nux vomica and or sulphur to clear the slate and restart a remedy again.
You can put your case on here, or if you can afford it - work with
someone like Dr. Judyth Ullman online ( she does phone- skype and is
in Seattle- she is a well known homeopath, and ND and previous psych
counselor- expensive but very good.
First the homeopath knows you are sensitive so he decided to do
LM potencies. LM potencies are ones that sometimes are used for
sensitive people when they need remedies every few days -
they are a different scale of potencies.
Instead of starting you out on LM, ( and which LM btw- 1 or 2 or 3 ?)
He could have had you take nat mur 30c in what they call a water dose
or a split dose. This is where you mix the remedy in a cup of water,
and then put a tsp. in another cup of water and take a tsp. out of
that cup. Water dosing or split dosing on people is gentle and avoids
aggravations. Nat mur when too much of it or wrong gives people
symptoms of a cold a lot of times. If you had ever had the ear problem
previous to this, it would be an old thing coming up. Or if you never
had it all, it was too much remedy . You can wait and effects will
wear off.
After this he sounds totally confused doing what he is doing.
And.. for people with severe anxiety, homeopaths can give remedies
and slowly let the person stop using the other medicines.
Take the Xanax and calm down.
You have to have a gap now of letting these things get out of
your system. The homeopath was not giving you the right potencies
in the right way for your sensitivity. You can have a gap of nothing
for a week and you can also go get a shiatsu massage if you have
good people near you trained in that. I have had several people get
nat mur out of their system doing this.
Anyway you need a gap, and then might need some doses of
nux vomica and or sulphur to clear the slate and restart a remedy again.
You can put your case on here, or if you can afford it - work with
someone like Dr. Judyth Ullman online ( she does phone- skype and is
in Seattle- she is a well known homeopath, and ND and previous psych
counselor- expensive but very good.
♡ simone717 last decade
Thank you Simone717! I surely appreciate your help! After reading your response, I had a shiatsu message this afternoon. Hopefully that will help antidote the Nat-Mur. Do I need to do anything to antidote the phosphorous (took on Wednesday) or ignatia (took on Thursday)? I am encouraged that the head cold/ear ache/ear ringing will hopefully subside over the next week, and the anxiety will die down. I have felt bad since beginning Nat-Mur LM on 7-2-13. I so need to feel better, get my anxiety stabilized and get this bad experience behind me before proceeding with any more homeopathics. I will use this forum for help, and will consider Dr. Ullman as well. I'm a little hesitant now and will want to proceed with caution the next time. Thank you again for your quick and helpful response!!
SunnyC last decade
BTW, the initial Nat-Mur was LM-1 in a water dose. I took three doses, told him about the bad ear ache/pain and he advised me to take two more the following day. Additionally, at what point should I consider Nux or sulfur to antidote...if the symptoms aren't improving after a week or sooner? I have sulfur 12c on hand and can get Nux. I also had an appt. with dr. today and she prescribed Zoloft (50 mg.) and noted to only use Xanax as needed. I was only taking 1-2 Xanax previous to these homeopathic aggravations and even 7-8 a day (.25 each) was not keeping my anxiety at bay. I'm so hoping my anxiety calms down over the next week. Great that you folks will help guide me on this forum. Thanks again!
SunnyC last decade
See how you are tomorrow- bc the Shiatsu really kicks in 24 hours later.
btw, drinking coffee antidotes Ignatia, and camphor antidotes most everything.
You probably don't want to drink coffee if you are anxious, but you could put
some Vicks on you or Tiger balm, anything that has the camphor in it.
I can understand your hesitancy bc I know people who got wrong potency
of nat mur and were very upset and did not want to go near a remedy
for a year after that. And Ignatia can and will bring up old feelings, old
emotions, but they usually will appear last a half hour or less and then more
will come up. This will subside in a few days, but I think if people know what
can show up then they are prepared for it. After all these things come up,
leave, then you feel much more neutral about traumas etc and relaxed. The
emotional baggage part will be gone and it is left as a mental memory-
like- Yes that happened but I am over it. This remedy can be a huge
healing for people and if you understand what might go on- you can ride
with it like ocean waves, and not be overwhelmed about the emotional
release.
However, I believe your homeopath was not very competent or has lack
of experience. You can come back on here and report how you are doing if
you want to.
Take care,
Simone717
btw, drinking coffee antidotes Ignatia, and camphor antidotes most everything.
You probably don't want to drink coffee if you are anxious, but you could put
some Vicks on you or Tiger balm, anything that has the camphor in it.
I can understand your hesitancy bc I know people who got wrong potency
of nat mur and were very upset and did not want to go near a remedy
for a year after that. And Ignatia can and will bring up old feelings, old
emotions, but they usually will appear last a half hour or less and then more
will come up. This will subside in a few days, but I think if people know what
can show up then they are prepared for it. After all these things come up,
leave, then you feel much more neutral about traumas etc and relaxed. The
emotional baggage part will be gone and it is left as a mental memory-
like- Yes that happened but I am over it. This remedy can be a huge
healing for people and if you understand what might go on- you can ride
with it like ocean waves, and not be overwhelmed about the emotional
release.
However, I believe your homeopath was not very competent or has lack
of experience. You can come back on here and report how you are doing if
you want to.
Take care,
Simone717
♡ simone717 last decade
See how you are tomorrow first.
Nux Vomica antidotes Ignatia, Phos, and
Nat mur.
You would order it in a 200c from this site,
and take 2 pills dissolved in 2 tablespoons of
water at night before bed. Then do it again
12 hours later and one more time the next
night.
If you want advice on here for your case basic
info is needed-
start with the form-http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/188925
Talk in detail about when the anxiety started
and what was going on.
Also what you have taken besides these
remedies and meds. More questions will need
to be asked-hopefully you won't go onto the
Zoloft bc you are going to have to get off it-
Important- have you had a physical check up
lately and have you had a dental check up?
Bc the physical always has to be ruled out first.
Even if you had one tooth going bad it will
deplete your energy and you won't have
enough life force to do your normal things.
This can cause anxiety and panic bc you don't
know what is going on.
I know 3 people now who had anxiety and it
was fixed after they had their 6 month
checkup and had a tooth fixed. They were
ready to go find out about Pysch medication
before this.
Nux Vomica antidotes Ignatia, Phos, and
Nat mur.
You would order it in a 200c from this site,
and take 2 pills dissolved in 2 tablespoons of
water at night before bed. Then do it again
12 hours later and one more time the next
night.
If you want advice on here for your case basic
info is needed-
start with the form-http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/188925
Talk in detail about when the anxiety started
and what was going on.
Also what you have taken besides these
remedies and meds. More questions will need
to be asked-hopefully you won't go onto the
Zoloft bc you are going to have to get off it-
Important- have you had a physical check up
lately and have you had a dental check up?
Bc the physical always has to be ruled out first.
Even if you had one tooth going bad it will
deplete your energy and you won't have
enough life force to do your normal things.
This can cause anxiety and panic bc you don't
know what is going on.
I know 3 people now who had anxiety and it
was fixed after they had their 6 month
checkup and had a tooth fixed. They were
ready to go find out about Pysch medication
before this.
♡ simone717 last decade
That is great information, Simone717. It helps a lot to know what to expect and the potential gains in just dealing with those emotions and releasing them. Or maybe I will choose to antidote, not sure yet.
My homeopath has 35 years experience so I'm not sure what went wrong with his judgement, which he did admit to at one point. I think he did find that I was a more complicated case than he initially assessed.
I will learn to trust homeopathy again because I believe in it. I will keep you posted on my progress. I'm sure I'll have more questions before the week is out. Thank you again, you have been a lifesaver during this difficult and uncertain time.
SunnyC
My homeopath has 35 years experience so I'm not sure what went wrong with his judgement, which he did admit to at one point. I think he did find that I was a more complicated case than he initially assessed.
I will learn to trust homeopathy again because I believe in it. I will keep you posted on my progress. I'm sure I'll have more questions before the week is out. Thank you again, you have been a lifesaver during this difficult and uncertain time.
SunnyC
SunnyC last decade
I just saw your last post as well. I can provide that information. I will not start the Zoloft if I plan to proceed with this. I took one this evening but won't take any more. Perhaps the anxiety will settle down with the Xanax which is seeming less effective (even in higher doses) since these aggravations over the past two weeks. I'm having a hard time getting to sleep even with the Xanax. Any suggestions?
SunnyC
SunnyC
SunnyC last decade
Very interesting about the dental involvement in anxiety. I am overdue for my six month check-up; had to cancel my appt in March and never rescheduled. I will do that. I've been putting it off because of my TMJ.. any dental work stresses my jaw and I'm having such problems with head pressure/discomfort in the back of my head, it could be due to TMJ. I've had ortho twice and wear an occlusal guard at night but it is still an issue.
SunnyC last decade
Hi, the homeopathy can work on your TMJ problems
as well as everything else. You want to provide information on all your complaints, when they began,
what you have done, etc.
I would say, go to whole foods, and get a tincture of
equal parts, hops, skull cap, passionflower and valerian-
or close to it.
Use about 30 drops in a half cup of warm water a
half hour before bed-you can use this every 2 hours
as needed.
This is herbal and I would not start doing any homeopathic remedies for insomnia right now at least..
as well as everything else. You want to provide information on all your complaints, when they began,
what you have done, etc.
I would say, go to whole foods, and get a tincture of
equal parts, hops, skull cap, passionflower and valerian-
or close to it.
Use about 30 drops in a half cup of warm water a
half hour before bed-you can use this every 2 hours
as needed.
This is herbal and I would not start doing any homeopathic remedies for insomnia right now at least..
♡ simone717 last decade
I live in rural Pa. (not Whole Foods within 2 and half hours) but I will try to find that tincture. I do anything to get sleep.
Can't do black coffee. So nervous again today I'm physically trembling on the inside. I will get a camphor product at the store. I have euculyptus essential oil on hand. . would that work?
Can't do black coffee. So nervous again today I'm physically trembling on the inside. I will get a camphor product at the store. I have euculyptus essential oil on hand. . would that work?
SunnyC last decade
I think it does have menthol in it- you can try smelling
it and putting some on the skin to see if that helps.
it and putting some on the skin to see if that helps.
♡ simone717 last decade
Couldn't find the tincture but did find Nature's Sunshine Herbal Sleep which has valerian root, passion flower and hops flowers. Didn't take it until bed. Only got two hours sleep again. This morning I have so nervous, having trouble breathing. Since 4 a.. I have taken 4 (.25) Xanax but still extremely nervous. Not sure what to do. Haven't taken anything except vitamins/minerals and the one Zoloft on Friday night (which I then stopped). I don't know what to do. . .this is very scarey.
SunnyC last decade
You should call your homeopath, and tell him you want him
to antidote what he has given- He will have camphor in his office.
Just say- I don't want more remedies- I want all of this antidoted-now.
Other than that, unless you put your case on here,
- or get the Nux vomica from the homeopath, or
if you have 30c of Nux vomica- start taking it. 2pellets in water,
wait 4 hours try it again, and another 4 hours try it again.
This is 3 tries, if you notice you are calming down after the
first or second dose then- wait and let it work.
to antidote what he has given- He will have camphor in his office.
Just say- I don't want more remedies- I want all of this antidoted-now.
Other than that, unless you put your case on here,
- or get the Nux vomica from the homeopath, or
if you have 30c of Nux vomica- start taking it. 2pellets in water,
wait 4 hours try it again, and another 4 hours try it again.
This is 3 tries, if you notice you are calming down after the
first or second dose then- wait and let it work.
♡ simone717 last decade
Simone,
I did that. . called and told him. He lives across the country so a quicker route for me would be to get some Vick's with camphor. Will that do the trick or do I need to do Nux as well? I am in really desperate shape with extreme mental fatigue (fearing chronic fatigue syndrome), depression and anxiety. A little fearful to pursue any more homeopathy right now, maybe in the future. Would like to resume the Zoloft. Is it important to antidote everything before resuming that? Will the shiatzu massage and Vick's do the trick or do I need to do Nux as well? Thank you so much for your help!!!
SunnyC
I did that. . called and told him. He lives across the country so a quicker route for me would be to get some Vick's with camphor. Will that do the trick or do I need to do Nux as well? I am in really desperate shape with extreme mental fatigue (fearing chronic fatigue syndrome), depression and anxiety. A little fearful to pursue any more homeopathy right now, maybe in the future. Would like to resume the Zoloft. Is it important to antidote everything before resuming that? Will the shiatzu massage and Vick's do the trick or do I need to do Nux as well? Thank you so much for your help!!!
SunnyC
SunnyC last decade
Sunny,
Zoloft might help on its own to antidote.
You have to try these things out- it is not a slam dunk.
Get the Vicks, rub it on yourself, see what happens. I would order the
Nux200c just in case you need something more. It is a listed
antidote of all 3 remedies you took.
What did the homeopath tell you to do on this antidoting? Are you getting a shiatsu from a real
trained shiatsu person?
You have to check things off the list here one by one till you get the outcome you need.
btw,acupressure massage or shiatsu if you have a 'good' person is very powerful and anchors
you back into the body and it clears things from the spine/aka immune system. I have people
from Japan near me and when the massage is over people come out , present, grounded and
calm.
Zoloft might help on its own to antidote.
You have to try these things out- it is not a slam dunk.
Get the Vicks, rub it on yourself, see what happens. I would order the
Nux200c just in case you need something more. It is a listed
antidote of all 3 remedies you took.
What did the homeopath tell you to do on this antidoting? Are you getting a shiatsu from a real
trained shiatsu person?
You have to check things off the list here one by one till you get the outcome you need.
btw,acupressure massage or shiatsu if you have a 'good' person is very powerful and anchors
you back into the body and it clears things from the spine/aka immune system. I have people
from Japan near me and when the massage is over people come out , present, grounded and
calm.
♡ simone717 last decade
Yes, he is certified in shiatsu. Rubbed Vick's on my chest Monday and Tuesday. Still dealing with anxiety and depression (new symptom) that is worse than when I started homeopathy. Should I take the Nux just to make sure it is all antidoted? How long can it take to get back to 'normal' after being negatively affected by remedies like this?
SunnyC last decade
BTW, the homeopath told me to put camphor on my body or drink black coffee. I am not taking Zoloft. Just need to clear my system. My adrenals are shot! I will be putting my case on here. Will a specific homeopath be assigned to my case or will different people respond?
SunnyC last decade
I am not sure bc it seems within two weeks you were given,
NatMur,Ignatia Pusaltilla, sulphur Sepia, Mercurius, and phosphorus.
This is quite a mixture and not normal prescribing to say the least-
so it is not like I got X and need to antidote it.
Take the Nux vomica at night- 2 pills in two tablespoons of water before bed.
It is going to clear a lot of this, lets see where you are at After 3 nights of it.
NatMur,Ignatia Pusaltilla, sulphur Sepia, Mercurius, and phosphorus.
This is quite a mixture and not normal prescribing to say the least-
so it is not like I got X and need to antidote it.
Take the Nux vomica at night- 2 pills in two tablespoons of water before bed.
It is going to clear a lot of this, lets see where you are at After 3 nights of it.
♡ simone717 last decade
Sunny,
Do you want to put your case on here now?
If you do I will ask Anuj to post his questions for you, rather than
fill out the other form bc you are just going to have to do the
additional forms depending on who is prescribing.
Would you like me to ask him to start to help you out?
Do you want to put your case on here now?
If you do I will ask Anuj to post his questions for you, rather than
fill out the other form bc you are just going to have to do the
additional forms depending on who is prescribing.
Would you like me to ask him to start to help you out?
♡ simone717 last decade
I'm going away tomorrow on a short vacation. Are there any potential ill effects of taking the Nux tonight (if I can get to the store to get it)? I don't want to take any chances with even more aggravations.
SunnyC last decade
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