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I found this and thought it was hilarious:http://www.orgoneshop.com/shop/index.php?open=61&showgroup=6....
"The device doesn´t need batteries or other energy sources."
So how does it succuse? Well it doesn't need to. In fact it doen't need substances either:
"If you don´t have the material sustance, you can work also with vibration informations only... At first you adjust the homeopathic vibration you want, at the seven dials of the Vibration Generator, for example: Belladonna. For that you get with the Homeoplus an alphabetic list with the vibration rates of more than 1000 homeopathic used substances. "
and how are these vibration rates calculated? Easy, they make them up: "Should you miss one Vibrationrate you need, use the contact form, and tell us the name of the remedy. We will create this rate for you without any costs."
And this comes to you for a mere EUR 2950.00
It is a wind up isn't it?
Somebody please tell me they're just trying to be funny.
Somebody please tell me that they can't really call that homeopathy.
maria on 2004-05-13
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THIS is hilarious! Thanks for posting.
I'll post it in another hom. forum-they will love it. Hope you don't mind.
I'll post it in another hom. forum-they will love it. Hope you don't mind.
Astra2012 last decade
Hello Maria & Astra,
I think this is interesting.
I did hear from some one that a Homeopath in Singapore was using this kind of a system.
If other Forum members have more knowledge of this including "Moderator of ABC", please share with us.
Best,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
How are the vibration rates 'created'?
How are 'vibrations' imparted to the remedy?
What do the makers of this device know about subatomic physics that the rest of the world doesn't?
How are 'vibrations' imparted to the remedy?
What do the makers of this device know about subatomic physics that the rest of the world doesn't?
slartybartfast last decade
Mr Pankaj Varma,
What fdo you know about the homeopath in Singapore that was using this kind of system?
Were they using it succesfuly? How did it work?
What fdo you know about the homeopath in Singapore that was using this kind of system?
Were they using it succesfuly? How did it work?
slartybartfast last decade
Hello, thanks for the information about your discussion.
I hope, I can help to clear the questions to the Homeoplus.
My language is german, but I will try to explane the device, you discuss about, as good as my english allows.
At first: I can understand, that people think it is hilarious...
"What do the makers of this device know about subatomic physics that the rest of the world doesn't?"
The maker of the Homeoplus, Arno Herbert has a deep knolledge about free energy, what is called in other languages: chi, ki, prana, orgone,...
There was Wilhelm Reich, who worked before with this energy. He builded orgone boxes, where the patient has to sit inside....
Today the physical scientists know that the smallest parts of every matter is not more matter, that it is energy.
The other case is that our body is surrounded from uncountable vibrations. That beginns with far under the vibration of 1 Hertz and goes up the megahertz aera or more.
The frequency generator containes seven adjustable antennas, which receive special vibrationpatterns according to the adjustment of the antennas. The sum of the vibration patterns is leaded to the copperplate.
With such devices you can create all vibrationpatterns also homeopathic vibrations.
The adjustments, which brings a special vibration are called vibration rates. This vibration rates are made by radiesthetic tests.
There exist also other devices to receive special vibrations from the us surounding complete spectrum. The most popular is the Rayometer from Paul Schmidt, which contains a dipole antenna inside.
This dipoleantenna consists of two round plastc discs. inside of the plastik are parallely arranged small metalic wands or wires in a distance of around 1 cm. The one disc is fixed, and the other disc is exactly over the fixed disc, but you can turn the upper disc with a dial outside. If you turn the upper disc, the angle of the metal wires of the two discs changes, and with each adjustment this device receives another vibration interference, This vibration is here leaded with cables to hand and feetdetectors. This dipoleantennas are the main interior of Profi Bioresonance machines like Rayocomp PS 100 or 1000.
The Homeoplus is a device, which works with free energy.
About 60 years before Wilhelm Reich checked, that the free energy is able to be modulated with vibrations, and that the energy can intensify vibrations. The createor of the homeoplus uses this cognition while creating his first Orgone Radiator 30 years ago.
The orgone Radiator concentrates free energy and radiates it at his top. Also with this device you can make a stronger potency of a homeopathic remedy.
The free energy can be modulated by vibrations. And if you radiate this modulated free energy on a neutral remedy, you can modulate this neutral remedy with the vibration.
The orgone radiator, makes higher potencys of any vibration, but not in the homeopathic potency values.
With the Homeoplus Arno Herbert created a free energy device, which is specialy made for the creating of homeopathic potencies.
This device uses also the free energy to intensify the homeopathic vibrations.
You must not use the additionally vibratrion generator, you can also use a homeopathic remedy to create new remedies with other potencies, or you can use the ground substance to create a homeopathic potency of it.
But with the vibratrion generator you can create remedies, when you don´t have the original substance.
When I heard about this devices more than ten years before, I was very critically, and thought also "It´S hilarious", but I informed me and read books about such devices. Today I know a lot of customers, which use the orgone devices and the Rayometers and mostly they tell about healing successes with the devices.
A german classic homeopathic healer, who tried the remedies made by the Homeoplus, told me that he can see no difference in the result.
A holistic practioneer in Japan, tested the orgone radiator with the radiesthesia and told me, that the energy it radiates, is very strong...
The possibilities of the use of the orgone devices are very extensive, and if there are more questions I will try to answer them.
With best regards.
Michael Wingert
I hope, I can help to clear the questions to the Homeoplus.
My language is german, but I will try to explane the device, you discuss about, as good as my english allows.
At first: I can understand, that people think it is hilarious...
"What do the makers of this device know about subatomic physics that the rest of the world doesn't?"
The maker of the Homeoplus, Arno Herbert has a deep knolledge about free energy, what is called in other languages: chi, ki, prana, orgone,...
There was Wilhelm Reich, who worked before with this energy. He builded orgone boxes, where the patient has to sit inside....
Today the physical scientists know that the smallest parts of every matter is not more matter, that it is energy.
The other case is that our body is surrounded from uncountable vibrations. That beginns with far under the vibration of 1 Hertz and goes up the megahertz aera or more.
The frequency generator containes seven adjustable antennas, which receive special vibrationpatterns according to the adjustment of the antennas. The sum of the vibration patterns is leaded to the copperplate.
With such devices you can create all vibrationpatterns also homeopathic vibrations.
The adjustments, which brings a special vibration are called vibration rates. This vibration rates are made by radiesthetic tests.
There exist also other devices to receive special vibrations from the us surounding complete spectrum. The most popular is the Rayometer from Paul Schmidt, which contains a dipole antenna inside.
This dipoleantenna consists of two round plastc discs. inside of the plastik are parallely arranged small metalic wands or wires in a distance of around 1 cm. The one disc is fixed, and the other disc is exactly over the fixed disc, but you can turn the upper disc with a dial outside. If you turn the upper disc, the angle of the metal wires of the two discs changes, and with each adjustment this device receives another vibration interference, This vibration is here leaded with cables to hand and feetdetectors. This dipoleantennas are the main interior of Profi Bioresonance machines like Rayocomp PS 100 or 1000.
The Homeoplus is a device, which works with free energy.
About 60 years before Wilhelm Reich checked, that the free energy is able to be modulated with vibrations, and that the energy can intensify vibrations. The createor of the homeoplus uses this cognition while creating his first Orgone Radiator 30 years ago.
The orgone Radiator concentrates free energy and radiates it at his top. Also with this device you can make a stronger potency of a homeopathic remedy.
The free energy can be modulated by vibrations. And if you radiate this modulated free energy on a neutral remedy, you can modulate this neutral remedy with the vibration.
The orgone radiator, makes higher potencys of any vibration, but not in the homeopathic potency values.
With the Homeoplus Arno Herbert created a free energy device, which is specialy made for the creating of homeopathic potencies.
This device uses also the free energy to intensify the homeopathic vibrations.
You must not use the additionally vibratrion generator, you can also use a homeopathic remedy to create new remedies with other potencies, or you can use the ground substance to create a homeopathic potency of it.
But with the vibratrion generator you can create remedies, when you don´t have the original substance.
When I heard about this devices more than ten years before, I was very critically, and thought also "It´S hilarious", but I informed me and read books about such devices. Today I know a lot of customers, which use the orgone devices and the Rayometers and mostly they tell about healing successes with the devices.
A german classic homeopathic healer, who tried the remedies made by the Homeoplus, told me that he can see no difference in the result.
A holistic practioneer in Japan, tested the orgone radiator with the radiesthesia and told me, that the energy it radiates, is very strong...
The possibilities of the use of the orgone devices are very extensive, and if there are more questions I will try to answer them.
With best regards.
Michael Wingert
www.orgoneshop.com last decade
Hello Michael,
How do you determine the frequencies for a substance? For example, what is the vibration rate of Arnica, and how did you work that out? How is it measured? What determines it?
How do you determine the frequencies for a substance? For example, what is the vibration rate of Arnica, and how did you work that out? How is it measured? What determines it?
slartybartfast last decade
Dear Michael,
Firstly it is clear that your machine doesn't make remedies by the normal, accepted, dilution / succusion method and it is an unproven and disputed theory that homeopathy works by vibration. So calling the remedies produced by the Homeoplus 'Homeopathic' is misleading.
That is not to say that they don't work (though I am skeptical), just to say that calling the remedies homeopathic is untruthful. Whatever they are, they are not homeopathic.
Have the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Klassische Homöopathie had any comments about your claim of making homepathic remedies with this method?
Firstly it is clear that your machine doesn't make remedies by the normal, accepted, dilution / succusion method and it is an unproven and disputed theory that homeopathy works by vibration. So calling the remedies produced by the Homeoplus 'Homeopathic' is misleading.
That is not to say that they don't work (though I am skeptical), just to say that calling the remedies homeopathic is untruthful. Whatever they are, they are not homeopathic.
Have the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Klassische Homöopathie had any comments about your claim of making homepathic remedies with this method?
maria last decade
IF 'energy' can really be transferred from substances to remedies through this machine then:
What does the machine do that couldn't be achieved by just putting the blank ext to the substance?
What measures are taken to shield the remedy from the background 'vibration', which as you say is everywhere?
What does the machine do that couldn't be achieved by just putting the blank ext to the substance?
What measures are taken to shield the remedy from the background 'vibration', which as you say is everywhere?
Philip L last decade
You are right when you say, that is is not made like a clasic hoemeopathic remedy, which is handshaked. May be the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Klassische Homöopathie would be on your side! I think this is a good tip, and I have to bring that more clear in the discribtion of the product.
But let me show my way to this devices:
I used since four years for me and my family homeopathic remedies. A friend of mine is a good homeopath and I allways asked her to choose the remedy. Ok, I used four years homeopathic remedies, when I got my first orgone radiator. I began to put the choosen homeopathic remedy in the cup of the orgone radiator and radiated the ill person, instead of giving her a globuli to eat. The result was minimum the same or better! And that allthough the person was not in direct contact with the remedy.
Later, when I had the orgone sleeves, which is an additional device to the orgone radiator, I visited my friend and made for my own use with this devices copies of all remidies of my friend. While the use in the next time, we could not see a different between the originals, we had before and the copies, we had from this time on. Also this copied remedies are not made by the classic homeopathic way. But they work until today.
For me is neccessary, that remedies, which are made with this devices work like homeopathic remedies, which I buy in the pharmacy.
The producer of the Homeoplus calls the remedies potency equivalents.
And the The producer calls it an informational image of the material substance, what the vibration generator transfers to the Homeoplus, if you do not use a natural substance or a homeopathic remedy.
The vibration rate is determined by a good radiesthesist, who works with a onehandrod, while he or another person turns the dials one after the other. When the correct adjustment for a dial is found, the radiesthesist checks that by his rod. The vibration rate for arnica is: 8,5 - 6 - 8,5 - 6 - 7 - 6 - 5
I know, that this kind of measurement is not scietifically accepted. But I know, that people with enough evperience with medical radiesthestia get correct results. And the complete aera of bioenergetically diagnosis and treatment is not scietifically accepted.
And also the complete homeopathy is not proven! But we know, that it works...
With best wishes
Michael
But let me show my way to this devices:
I used since four years for me and my family homeopathic remedies. A friend of mine is a good homeopath and I allways asked her to choose the remedy. Ok, I used four years homeopathic remedies, when I got my first orgone radiator. I began to put the choosen homeopathic remedy in the cup of the orgone radiator and radiated the ill person, instead of giving her a globuli to eat. The result was minimum the same or better! And that allthough the person was not in direct contact with the remedy.
Later, when I had the orgone sleeves, which is an additional device to the orgone radiator, I visited my friend and made for my own use with this devices copies of all remidies of my friend. While the use in the next time, we could not see a different between the originals, we had before and the copies, we had from this time on. Also this copied remedies are not made by the classic homeopathic way. But they work until today.
For me is neccessary, that remedies, which are made with this devices work like homeopathic remedies, which I buy in the pharmacy.
The producer of the Homeoplus calls the remedies potency equivalents.
And the The producer calls it an informational image of the material substance, what the vibration generator transfers to the Homeoplus, if you do not use a natural substance or a homeopathic remedy.
The vibration rate is determined by a good radiesthesist, who works with a onehandrod, while he or another person turns the dials one after the other. When the correct adjustment for a dial is found, the radiesthesist checks that by his rod. The vibration rate for arnica is: 8,5 - 6 - 8,5 - 6 - 7 - 6 - 5
I know, that this kind of measurement is not scietifically accepted. But I know, that people with enough evperience with medical radiesthestia get correct results. And the complete aera of bioenergetically diagnosis and treatment is not scietifically accepted.
And also the complete homeopathy is not proven! But we know, that it works...
With best wishes
Michael
www.orgoneshop.com last decade
Hi María, I am amazed. I shall ask my husband to explain the whole thing to me. My first language is Spanish and I am afraid I think I am missing something... I find it very expensive no?
quemaja
quemaja
quemaja last decade
we can validate michael's statements. we are a homeopath and radionics practitioner in the uk and use some equipment from orgoneshop .all of the items available there are excellent quality and we have used several of the homeopathic tools to successfully treat our patients.
it certainly saves much time when compared to traditional methods of preparation.
we also use radionics and light life therapy, both of which are effective in distant healing.
best wishes
aurum solis
it certainly saves much time when compared to traditional methods of preparation.
we also use radionics and light life therapy, both of which are effective in distant healing.
best wishes
aurum solis
aurumsolis last decade
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