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Homeopathy is Fake?

Did any one read the main page story in Time Of India dtd 28/08/2005(i think). There was an Article in Lancet Magazine that Homeopathy can't cure any diseases.
 
  scorpioncan on 2005-08-31
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
dude this whole post here is fake. step off.
 
hotty198 last decade
your body cures the disease anyway. homeopath gives your body what it needs in order to take care of itself.
 
hotty198 last decade
Almost all systems of medicines have to concurrently work with each other in tandem, for the benefit of the patient. Blaming any medicinal therapy itself is creating a shortfall and short coming in the other system. The study of Homeopathy or any pathy is never ending.

Also read : http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254
 
Nesha-India last decade
it has to be the right remedy
i owe my life to homeopathic remedies
 
alangail1 last decade
Dear scorpioncan

Any fake survive mor then 200 hundred year as Homeopathy did

Sergio
 
sergiorvil last decade
Could you please post the article from the Times Of India, so we can understand what you are referring to?

I have a question: If any practice or belief is not proven medicine, how would you describe it?

Incidentally, Sergio, many millions of people still believe the Sun revolves around the Earth, and this particular belief has been around for tens of thousands of years. So does that make it true?
 
ZepOz last decade
There are millions being treated by homeopathy and getting excellant results in India.

This issue has been discussed many times, and there is no need to convince skeptics.

I was a skeptic too, but, having tasted the benefits of homeopathy, while trying to prove it fake, I can confidently say that it is a boon to the mankind in general.

One should try it, the way it should be tried, and that is what I did. I read extensively, before trying to treat myself. I got excellant results for me and my family.

My original intention was to prove it a hoax, even when tried in the correct classical way, but, I was proved wrong.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Dear ZepOz

I agree that it could be good to see the article and why they say that is a fake.
By the other side many things can't be asimilated only until science progress.with homeopathy we have to talk of the action of quarks, fermis, amstrongs, somethig to little that is out of comprehension of our sensorial tools, we are in the field of the quantum mechanic and scientist need to work more to give medicine a change.

Sergio
 
sergiorvil last decade
Sergio, those science subjects are well-known and understood by many scientists (myself included). So saying that things have to wait until science progresses in order to understand them is just avoiding the issue.

Scientists have long been able to manipulate single atoms and measure the charges of individual hadrons (nuclear particles). So a competent explanation for any sub-atomic support for homeopathy is certainly measureable by today's researchers. Can you point us to any such theory?

I might also point out that people who start mentioning 'quarks' and 'quantum mechanics' and so on when it comes to any medicine, but try to avoid any explanation, usually have no idea or understanding what they are talking about. So they are just using those words to try to make their unscientific notions sound scientific. I do hope this isn't the case here...
 
ZepOz last decade
Dear ZepOz

If you well know this you can understand why I talk about a fermi that is a particle with a size of 10^ -15, and sciencist expected to see particles of a size of 10^-19 by this new century.
When an homeopathic remedy is prepared it is diluted many times as you now, a 6c potency is near to the avogadro number that is 10^-23.
When you talk of the action and evolution of a particle of these sizes you need quantum mechanical tools to understand it, It can't be explained by the Classical mecanical laws.
Well, how can science going to explain the action and evolution of something than they are unable to see? you can continue saying that homeopathy is a placebo because you want to see what particles are the cause of the homeopathic remedy effect until science give the tools to analize it. But homeopaths are going to continue healing people, we accept by results not by seeing and touching particles.

Sergio
 
sergiorvil last decade
Lots of good research articles in this month's (December) ezine issue at www.hpathy.com.
 
Daisy43 last decade
Hi Daisy

thank you very much for the information.A good book that relates science and homeopathy is the written by Bellavite and www. minimum.com sell it.

Best regards and Happy new year for every body

Sergio
 
sergiorvil last decade
Sergio,

Thank you for your response. While it shows that you understand the issues involved, it hasn't answered my questions:

Can we please have an extract of the Times Of India article posted here to see what its says exactly? That would make it much easier to point out any errors, surely.

Can you provide any explanation involving sub-atomic particles (such as fermions) that supports homeopathy? I, and many others, would really like to see it.

Incidentally, your reference to the Avagadro number and dilutions is misplaced if you are talking about sub-atomic particles. They are only relevant when you are talking about molecular level chemistry. Sub-atomic particles are the realm of the nuclear physicist - you don't get to separate those out without using nuclear reactors and super-powerful particle accelerators, etc. Unless you are saying this is what happens with succussion? If so, please explain in more detail...

Lastly, please point out where I have said anything here about placebo effect or anything negative about homeopathy. You will find I have written no such thing, so might it not be better to read what I wrote more carefully?

i look forward to any answers that people may have.
 
ZepOz last decade
I dont say that you talk about placebo, the reason that I refer to it is because is linked to the subject. In an homeopathic remedy after 6C potency there is no melecule of the active element.
I think that a good book to begin in this field could be the one written by Bellavite I dont remember the title because I read it some years ago,it is something like Homeopathy science, but you can search in www.minimum.com by authors

Best regards and happy new year
Sergio
 
sergiorvil last decade
Sergio,

Thanks for the reference, but did you mean Dr Jacques Beneviste?

And FYI, I think you will find it is about 12C dilution that Avagadro kicks in. Can you explain why?
 
ZepOz last decade
Someone said it survived more than 200 years. Black magic did much more than that.May be millions. That is not enough an explanation.
Sheena
 
Seena last decade
Hi Seena'
You are talking aboout Pagan religion, actually called Wicca, it is maybe as old as man in the earth. But there is a difference, Wicca is magic, the use of the nature energy to create a reality, white, red, green, or black magic is the way that the operator use it.
Nature have energy and laws that directs its evolution and action, what is wrong in belive in that?

Sergio
 
sergiorvil last decade
hi zepoz
1.-yes is the 12c potency some times my memory fail but you do a good job finding the correct potency and the name of the author of the book, sorry for that.

2.- fallowing is a table with the x and c potencies and include when the avogadro correlate with them.
dilution factor decimal scale(1:10) centesimal scale(1:100)
1: 10 1x
1: 100 2x 1c
1: 1000 3x
1: 10000 4x 2c
1: 100000 5x
1: 1000000 6x 3c
1: 10000000 7x
1: 100000000 8x 4c
1: 1000000000 9x
1: 10000000000 10x 5c
1: 100000000000 11x
1: 1000000000000 12x 6c
1: 10000000000000 13x
1: 100000000000000 14x 7c
1: 1000000000000000 15x
1: 10000000000000000 16x 8c
1: 100000000000000000 17x
1: 1000000000000000000 18x 9c
1: 10000000000000000000 19x
1: 100000000000000000000 20x 10c
1: 1000000000000000000000 21x
1: 10000000000000000000000 22x 11c
1: 100000000000000000000000 23x
1: 1000000000000000000000000(avogadro’s number) 24x 12c
1: 10000000000000000000000000 25x
1: 100000000000000000000000000 26x 13c
1: 1000000000000000000000000000 27x
1: 10000000000000000000000000000 28x 14c
1: 100000000000000000000000000000 29x
1: 1000000000000000000000000000000 30x 15c

i hope this will help
 
sergiorvil last decade
Correct, Sergio.

Now, can you please tell us why that number is important? What does it mean for remedies?
 
ZepOz last decade
Hi ZepOz

The potentization process include dilution and succusion so the number number is important because:

1.- Dilution:In homeopathy you have to prescribe the minimum dose necesary in the case.The number indicate the dilution.

2.- Succusion: The number indicate too the potency of the remedy (Is the potential energy tranfered from the kinetic of succusion process)

I Hope this can help, I recomend to read The Organon 5th and 6th edition, and analize the diference it is going to give a lot of light in your research.

Best regards
Sergio
 
sergiorvil last decade
Homeopathy is an energy medicine. Its action is by means of an energetic, not physiological or material, dose. It is a hard concept to accept until you have experienced it personally or closely observed it in a friend or baby or animal. It is not relevant that at the higher potencies there is no longer any material substance because that is not how it functions. And because it is an energy medicine, it is very quickly absorbed and the benefits can be almost immediate, much faster than the time it would take for a pill to be absorbed in the digestive tract and circulated through the blood stream. It is therefore a very desirable way of handling sudden episodes of pain. Relief can be much faster. Sometimes seconds or minutes count.
 
Daisy43 last decade
Where did you get this energy-medicine theory from,
Daisy43. Any research or are you putting in any intuision?
I would relly like to know.
Which branch of science is that?
Sheena
 
Seena last decade
Sergio,

I have read the Organon from front to back. It is an interesting read for being over 200 years old and having never been updated.

Daisy,

Could you please expand on how this energy theory works. For example, what kind of energy are you referring to, how do you measure it, and where is it stored in a remedy.
 
ZepOz last decade
Sergio, can you please describe how the dilutions and Avagadro's number relate to each other. Thanks.
 
ZepOz last decade
It would be interesting to know exactly how homeopathy works, but it isn't necessary in order to use it successfully.
 
Daisy43 last decade

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