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To Joe...Please Advise
Hello Dear JoeI hope all is well with you and your family. I would also like to wish you a very happy and healthy belated Birthday. I am sorry I have not been on the forum for a while so I missed it. I hope you remember me. Not too long ago you suggested that I try taking CALC FLUOR to aid with my hypertension. I am currently on the Arnica and Nat Phos 6X therapy for my Gerd.
I would just like to report back on the Calc Fluor treatment. I was advised to carry on with the NP and Arnica and add 2 tablets of the Calc Fluor 6X 3 times a day. It took me a while to purchase the CF. When I eventually started taking it I noticed it made my Gerd a lot worse. I had taken it for about 4 days in total
The symptoms I felt were that of harsh burning at the bottom of my esophagus and top portion of my stomach. Prior to taking the Calc Fluor I had not felt any pain where the ulcer in my duodenum had been. However, the pain returned and so did the Acid Reflux. The burning sensation was more then I had before I started on hte Arnica and NP treatment. Therefore, I decided to stop taking this medication.
At the time I started taking the Calc Fluor I was trying to reduce the amount of NP I was taking, which was 2 after breakfast, 3 after lunch and 3 after dinner. I actually had to start taking 4 after each meal now to help subside the burning sensation.
I have been on the arnica and nat phos 6x therapoy since July 2006. I really want to wean of the Nat Phos too.
Do you think Calc Fluor has a similar affect as the Labetalol, a Beta Blocker, that I am still taking? Does it work by relaxing the soft muscles and blood vessels in your body? I don't think this type of med will work for me. However, I did give it another go. About two weeks after the first attempt, when my Gerd symptoms were getting a little better I tried taking 2 pills of Calc Fluor again in the morning. Unfortunetly, the worsened symptoms started again. The burning in my lower esophagus and upper abdomen, and also pain where my ulcer use to be.
As for the allopathic drugs I'm on now, I have completly stopped taking the water pill that I was put on. It took some real time, effort and bad headaches to reduce the water pill(Hydrochlorathiaziade). This pill reduced the amount of potassium in your body, and potassiunm is something people with high BP need. I have also reduced the labetelol to 100mg twice a day. I watch my BP earnestly. I average around 122/78, but my readings start to inch up as the labetelol wares off. They also get higher if I am stressed at work or emotionally.
I exercise frequently, cardovascular twice a day sometimes and at least 5 days a week. I notice that my BP is better controlled on the days I workout.
My Family Doctor thinks I shouldn't reduce my pills anymore for a little while. I believe I can exercise and get my BP down.
Is there something else I can take for my Hypertension that will not cause my Gerd to worsen?
Will my Gerd ever get better...I was doing so well before with the Gerd problem. I guess this is just a set back.
Please kindly advise. Take care.
Bali
Bali36 on 2006-11-08
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Dear Bali
These empirical prescriptions will make you worser and worser.
If you can find a local homeopath,who prescribes one medicine at a time, taking your total symptoms into account,that will be far better.
One medicine for hypertension, another for GERD and another for diabetes etc..is not homeopathy.
Medicines do interact with one another,and it is what you are experiencing.
For the sake of your health, stop this therapy immediately.
In case, you are not able to find a competent homeopath,come back here, and post all your symptoms.
Look for the chronic csae taking questionnery on this forum, and answer it.
We will try to help you.
Read the threads
Article on pseudo homeopathy
The theory of suppression
on this forum.
Murthy
These empirical prescriptions will make you worser and worser.
If you can find a local homeopath,who prescribes one medicine at a time, taking your total symptoms into account,that will be far better.
One medicine for hypertension, another for GERD and another for diabetes etc..is not homeopathy.
Medicines do interact with one another,and it is what you are experiencing.
For the sake of your health, stop this therapy immediately.
In case, you are not able to find a competent homeopath,come back here, and post all your symptoms.
Look for the chronic csae taking questionnery on this forum, and answer it.
We will try to help you.
Read the threads
Article on pseudo homeopathy
The theory of suppression
on this forum.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
SURPRISING ? Nat.Phos-6X, 2 tablets after meals (on the lines of allopathy dose taking & prescriptions) was supposed to give instant relief, as 'millions' are using all over the universe for ANY & ALL digestive problems.
Generalising Nat.Phos., as a HOLY medicine for ANY & ALL Gastric distrubances, is in-appropriate and is on the lines of Allopathic medicine prescribing regime, even if it means helping for free or whatever ...
The Homeopathic CAUSATIVE factor should be found out before recklessly prescribing Nat.Phos. for ANY & ALL digestive disorders. OTHERWISE, it is just placiebo'cally only a palliative (only temporary relief leading & cumulating to more powerful & dangerous symptoms later on, in the long term).
BE CAUTIOUS : Read this links throughly before attempting self-medicating.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/homeopathicmedicine.htm
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/86602/
Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
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Generalising Nat.Phos., as a HOLY medicine for ANY & ALL Gastric distrubances, is in-appropriate and is on the lines of Allopathic medicine prescribing regime, even if it means helping for free or whatever ...
The Homeopathic CAUSATIVE factor should be found out before recklessly prescribing Nat.Phos. for ANY & ALL digestive disorders. OTHERWISE, it is just placiebo'cally only a palliative (only temporary relief leading & cumulating to more powerful & dangerous symptoms later on, in the long term).
BE CAUTIOUS : Read this links throughly before attempting self-medicating.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/homeopathicmedicine.htm
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/86602/
Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
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Nesha-India last decade
Thank you for your replies. I have checked the sites you have mentioned.
I would like to stress that I feel I was getting a little better with the Gerd before I started taking the CALC FLUOR. Joe has helped me have a peace of mind, as I was completely and utterly stressed out prior to starting his therapy.
I did visit with a Homeopath before I started the therapy. He gave me a tincture of a combination of drugs. I tried it for a week and there was absolutely no change. When I tried the Nat Phos and Arnica therapy there was relief instantly. I couldn't believe the results.
I hope to think that I would have weanded my self off the Nat Phos too, as this is something that Joe insists that we (Gerd Sufferers) do.
I am a fair person and I will listen to all opinions with respect.
Homeopathic doctors charge so much money...Why? People need help, we want to be healthy for our families...our babies...ourselves. I know we must pay for everything in life...but some of the fees charged are outrageous.
Thank you for listening.
Joe where are you?
Bali
I would like to stress that I feel I was getting a little better with the Gerd before I started taking the CALC FLUOR. Joe has helped me have a peace of mind, as I was completely and utterly stressed out prior to starting his therapy.
I did visit with a Homeopath before I started the therapy. He gave me a tincture of a combination of drugs. I tried it for a week and there was absolutely no change. When I tried the Nat Phos and Arnica therapy there was relief instantly. I couldn't believe the results.
I hope to think that I would have weanded my self off the Nat Phos too, as this is something that Joe insists that we (Gerd Sufferers) do.
I am a fair person and I will listen to all opinions with respect.
Homeopathic doctors charge so much money...Why? People need help, we want to be healthy for our families...our babies...ourselves. I know we must pay for everything in life...but some of the fees charged are outrageous.
Thank you for listening.
Joe where are you?
Bali
Bali36 last decade
Hi Bali
You have a point.
There are many incompetent doctors who charge a hefty fees.
However, when you take the advices from a forum, please get them cross checked, by whatever means you can.
Murthy
You have a point.
There are many incompetent doctors who charge a hefty fees.
However, when you take the advices from a forum, please get them cross checked, by whatever means you can.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
To Bali,
Please accept my apologies for not having responded to your post earlier but as you many have noticed I and a few others have been compelled in the recent past to keep ourselves on a defensive mode to withstand the constant attacks from the self appointed saviour of Homeopathy in the guise of Murthy who seems married to every thread that I and the other resident prescribers of this forum write in reply to those like you who post in the hope of a cure.
I am glad that you have made mention about the hefty fees that the classical homeopaths charge and you already have experience the utter futility of your using the remedies that he has given you. You may have realized by now that the large majority of classical homeopaths who operate today and this includes those in India who have reduced Homeopathy to a mass production factory based operation with the hundreds of clinics that they have opened, they all use the standard technique of first starting the patient off with a long 'case taking' procedure which leaves the patient who encounters the homeopath for the first time, wondering what on earth he, the homeopath is trying to ferret out. For instance in your case you would have consulted him for your hyperacidic condition which has lead you to the border of GERD and all he does is to give you a concoction which did not do the slightest good. Remember that this is only the first chapter in your treatment. The rest follows with other combinations of various other remedies which are never identified and all of which are predetermined to keep your main ailment, GERD simmering till you reach a stage that you cannot bear and then you decide to post on the ABC or another forum and ask for help.
You will realize that the resident prescribers here try to help patients on a purely altruistic basis, and in my case I must admit that I do so purely because I get some deep satisfaction in nursing others to health in my own way which anyone can read from the archives has invariably resulted in a successful cure. We do not pretend to be qualified but we leave the results that we have achieved to speak for themselves.
It is indeed a shame that we have to encounter this daily interference from these negative elements who seem determined to derail this forum and I hope that the moderator will take note.
You are advised to continue with the Nat Phos 6x and Arnica 30c therapy as it has helped many hundreds of patients, some of whom were desperate cases and had been under the tender care of classical homeopaths who like your example have abused their learning to keep the patient dangling on their every prescription to be able to survive from day to day in untold agony from which the patient achieves some relief with just one post on this forum which I or my fellow prescribers may see and try to help.
Please accept my apologies for not having responded to your post earlier but as you many have noticed I and a few others have been compelled in the recent past to keep ourselves on a defensive mode to withstand the constant attacks from the self appointed saviour of Homeopathy in the guise of Murthy who seems married to every thread that I and the other resident prescribers of this forum write in reply to those like you who post in the hope of a cure.
I am glad that you have made mention about the hefty fees that the classical homeopaths charge and you already have experience the utter futility of your using the remedies that he has given you. You may have realized by now that the large majority of classical homeopaths who operate today and this includes those in India who have reduced Homeopathy to a mass production factory based operation with the hundreds of clinics that they have opened, they all use the standard technique of first starting the patient off with a long 'case taking' procedure which leaves the patient who encounters the homeopath for the first time, wondering what on earth he, the homeopath is trying to ferret out. For instance in your case you would have consulted him for your hyperacidic condition which has lead you to the border of GERD and all he does is to give you a concoction which did not do the slightest good. Remember that this is only the first chapter in your treatment. The rest follows with other combinations of various other remedies which are never identified and all of which are predetermined to keep your main ailment, GERD simmering till you reach a stage that you cannot bear and then you decide to post on the ABC or another forum and ask for help.
You will realize that the resident prescribers here try to help patients on a purely altruistic basis, and in my case I must admit that I do so purely because I get some deep satisfaction in nursing others to health in my own way which anyone can read from the archives has invariably resulted in a successful cure. We do not pretend to be qualified but we leave the results that we have achieved to speak for themselves.
It is indeed a shame that we have to encounter this daily interference from these negative elements who seem determined to derail this forum and I hope that the moderator will take note.
You are advised to continue with the Nat Phos 6x and Arnica 30c therapy as it has helped many hundreds of patients, some of whom were desperate cases and had been under the tender care of classical homeopaths who like your example have abused their learning to keep the patient dangling on their every prescription to be able to survive from day to day in untold agony from which the patient achieves some relief with just one post on this forum which I or my fellow prescribers may see and try to help.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dearest Joe
It is good to hear from you.
Don't let anyone take away the loving energy you pour out for us. I believe everyone has a right to there opinion, which can
be expressed in any way. There can not be any compassion in our souls if there is no tolerance for other souls.
However, there is a certain etiquette of sorts that we are taught in life. Either by our loving parents, grandparents or the struggle we encounter in our lives. This etiquette or rules of life are to show respect, admiration, love, loyalty, compassion and friendship etc. to our fellow humans. Not to strike out at them in a harsh manner but to try and understand each other. Why are the people that are constantly attacking you so ANGRY. I hear so much anger between the lines. It is saddening to me that they treat you and your colleagues in such a manner. It is quite clear to me that you would not treat them with this tone. It is also saddening that you have to use your time and energy defending yourself.
Gavinimurthy - if you do not agree with how Joe helps others then why don't you do something about the Classical Homeopathic Doctors that charge an arm and a leg for the services they render. They dter people like me to go to them. You could write to them, or make waves in the homeopathic community to make changes to the way people are treated. Each time I purchased the homeopathic drugs from a different homeopath (this one was a registered Doctor) I asked about the combination of taking these drugs. He advised me that they were perfectly safe to take together. I also asked him it they were safe in pregnancy and he answered yes. I also asked if they were safe to take for a long period of time, he answered that they would only cure my Gerd if I did take them for a long time - and this is a classical homeopath. The first homeopath I visited decided I had not mourned for my mother who passed away 10 years ago. This could be true, who knows. He gave me a strong dose of ignatia and asked me to follow everyday with a more dissolved tincture. I asked what the solution was made up of...he answered 'things that will help you'. I didn't persist to find out. Now remember, my reason for going to him in the first place was my Acid Reflux - Gerd. He informed me and my husband that after taking the Ignatia, I would be a complete wreck emotionally, as I would release all the held up emotions. Well, NOTHING happened, actually I lie. My Gerd worsened, so I stopped taking the tincture. I went back to him a few weeks later. He then gave me something for my Gerd this time. I tried it for a week and NO results. This is $200.00 Canadian later. This is when I tried the Nat Phos 6X, and oh my, did it ever give results. How can you argue with this story...Why argue in the first place. Can Homeopathy not evolve just as everything on this great Earth evolves. Everything changes. I mean all my comments with the utmost respect, I sincerely hope I have not upset you in any way. I would not want to upset anyones heart. I know you care about fellow humans, you cared enough to answer my post. You are kind to do so. Could you not be kinder to Joe and the others? I sense that they anger you, I can't understand why. You waste you energies on this anger. FORGIVE me if I have over stepped my boundaries, as this is one of the rules I have learned in life - 'Not to hurt anyone just as you do not want to feel hurt/pain yourself.'
God Bless you Gavinimurthy.
Joe - I will carry on with the Nat Phos 6X and Arnica therapy as it has helped me immensely. I will also try to wean my self off it again as soon as my condition stabilizes, just as it did before.
I have weaned myself off more labetelol and the water pills. I have a higher intake of potassium and magnesium and obviously a lower intake of sodium. I only use sea salt a little in cooking. I exercise my brains out. This I have to say has helped immensily with stabilizing my high BP.
YOU CAN TAKE CREDIT FOR ME EXERCISING. In a past post in the summer time you had suggested that I exercise as it would get rid of the allopathic drugs from my system faster. Well I listened...Thanks. I exercise(cardiovascular) twice a day sometimes and I feel so good afterwards and my High BP is better. I am currently taking 100mg of labetelol twice a day. I know I will be off this medication soon -all with Gods good grace.
Take care all.
Bali
It is good to hear from you.
Don't let anyone take away the loving energy you pour out for us. I believe everyone has a right to there opinion, which can
be expressed in any way. There can not be any compassion in our souls if there is no tolerance for other souls.
However, there is a certain etiquette of sorts that we are taught in life. Either by our loving parents, grandparents or the struggle we encounter in our lives. This etiquette or rules of life are to show respect, admiration, love, loyalty, compassion and friendship etc. to our fellow humans. Not to strike out at them in a harsh manner but to try and understand each other. Why are the people that are constantly attacking you so ANGRY. I hear so much anger between the lines. It is saddening to me that they treat you and your colleagues in such a manner. It is quite clear to me that you would not treat them with this tone. It is also saddening that you have to use your time and energy defending yourself.
Gavinimurthy - if you do not agree with how Joe helps others then why don't you do something about the Classical Homeopathic Doctors that charge an arm and a leg for the services they render. They dter people like me to go to them. You could write to them, or make waves in the homeopathic community to make changes to the way people are treated. Each time I purchased the homeopathic drugs from a different homeopath (this one was a registered Doctor) I asked about the combination of taking these drugs. He advised me that they were perfectly safe to take together. I also asked him it they were safe in pregnancy and he answered yes. I also asked if they were safe to take for a long period of time, he answered that they would only cure my Gerd if I did take them for a long time - and this is a classical homeopath. The first homeopath I visited decided I had not mourned for my mother who passed away 10 years ago. This could be true, who knows. He gave me a strong dose of ignatia and asked me to follow everyday with a more dissolved tincture. I asked what the solution was made up of...he answered 'things that will help you'. I didn't persist to find out. Now remember, my reason for going to him in the first place was my Acid Reflux - Gerd. He informed me and my husband that after taking the Ignatia, I would be a complete wreck emotionally, as I would release all the held up emotions. Well, NOTHING happened, actually I lie. My Gerd worsened, so I stopped taking the tincture. I went back to him a few weeks later. He then gave me something for my Gerd this time. I tried it for a week and NO results. This is $200.00 Canadian later. This is when I tried the Nat Phos 6X, and oh my, did it ever give results. How can you argue with this story...Why argue in the first place. Can Homeopathy not evolve just as everything on this great Earth evolves. Everything changes. I mean all my comments with the utmost respect, I sincerely hope I have not upset you in any way. I would not want to upset anyones heart. I know you care about fellow humans, you cared enough to answer my post. You are kind to do so. Could you not be kinder to Joe and the others? I sense that they anger you, I can't understand why. You waste you energies on this anger. FORGIVE me if I have over stepped my boundaries, as this is one of the rules I have learned in life - 'Not to hurt anyone just as you do not want to feel hurt/pain yourself.'
God Bless you Gavinimurthy.
Joe - I will carry on with the Nat Phos 6X and Arnica therapy as it has helped me immensely. I will also try to wean my self off it again as soon as my condition stabilizes, just as it did before.
I have weaned myself off more labetelol and the water pills. I have a higher intake of potassium and magnesium and obviously a lower intake of sodium. I only use sea salt a little in cooking. I exercise my brains out. This I have to say has helped immensily with stabilizing my high BP.
YOU CAN TAKE CREDIT FOR ME EXERCISING. In a past post in the summer time you had suggested that I exercise as it would get rid of the allopathic drugs from my system faster. Well I listened...Thanks. I exercise(cardiovascular) twice a day sometimes and I feel so good afterwards and my High BP is better. I am currently taking 100mg of labetelol twice a day. I know I will be off this medication soon -all with Gods good grace.
Take care all.
Bali
Bali36 last decade
Since the content of this thread contains problems relating to Acidity / Gastritis, :
This is what 'rishimba' said on the following link.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/90676
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Re: I am glad From rishimba on 2006-11-07
acidity.. also termed as acute gastritis in the medical field is a psyco-somatic disease in the true sense.
we say... avoid hurry, curry and worry if you want to stay away from acidity.
it starts with mind. intense emotional set-backs, grief and insults often result in lack of sleep which in turn disturbs the digestive system of the body.
- - - end
THAT IS THE REASON :
The Homeopathic CAUSATIVE factor should be found out before recklessly prescribing a medicine (like Arnica) for ANY & ALL diseases. OTHERWISE, it is just placiebo'cally only a palliative (only temporary relief leading & cumulating to more powerful & dangerous symptoms later on, in the long term).
BE CAUTIOUS : Read this links throughly before attempting self-medicating.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/homeopathicmedicine.htm
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/86602/
Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
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This is what 'rishimba' said on the following link.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/90676
- - - start
Re: I am glad From rishimba on 2006-11-07
acidity.. also termed as acute gastritis in the medical field is a psyco-somatic disease in the true sense.
we say... avoid hurry, curry and worry if you want to stay away from acidity.
it starts with mind. intense emotional set-backs, grief and insults often result in lack of sleep which in turn disturbs the digestive system of the body.
- - - end
THAT IS THE REASON :
The Homeopathic CAUSATIVE factor should be found out before recklessly prescribing a medicine (like Arnica) for ANY & ALL diseases. OTHERWISE, it is just placiebo'cally only a palliative (only temporary relief leading & cumulating to more powerful & dangerous symptoms later on, in the long term).
BE CAUTIOUS : Read this links throughly before attempting self-medicating.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/homeopathicmedicine.htm
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/86602/
Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
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Nesha-India last decade
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