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Arnica relieves Post Surgical Pain

I would like to copy a post which appeared on the Hpathy forum which refers to how Arnica 200 helped a 91 year old lady by easing her pain after heart surgery.

This remarkable response is parallel to my own response after my Retropubic Prostatectomy in 2002 which I have described in some detail on another thread on the ABC which I have copied below.

It was posted on this forum on:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/424

SUBSTITUTE FOR MORPHINE POST major SURGERY 200c and 30c
I have used this myself after my Retropubic Prostatectomy and can confidently recommend it for use after any major surgery. When I regained consciousness I noticed the Morphine syringe attached to the IV line and promptly ordered it removed to the consternation of the nursing staff and the surgeon, who warned me that I could even suffer from a major shock due to the pain without the morphine. I stated that I will use my Arnica alone to control the pain and they were very surprised to note that I was relatively free of pain after a few hours. I was able to leave my bed on the third day without any pain medication except for the Arnica I used every 2 hours at first and every 3 hours later. I was discharged on the 5th day and walked to my car. They were all amazed at my extremely quick recovery at 73 years.

Here is the case of the 91 year old on:

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4...

91 year old grandmother

open heart surgery 10 days ago due to severe angina not helped by any other means.

after the operation she is in SEVERE pain for 6 days. barely sleeps, moans and cries out every 5 minutes or so in agony. black and blue over sections of body. left elbow swollen double maybe triple normal size and it's deep purple.

her suffering is so bad that all her visitors are in tears due to helplessness.

i visited her on sat morning day 2 after the operation. returned on tuesday night and the pain was every bit as bad. that is when i resolved to make an attempt to ease her pain using a homeopathic remedy.

i was hesitant to do so for a number of reasons. 1. i had made attempts in years past and failed miserably 2. i did not want to cause an aggravation that worsened her condition 3. i did not think that any remedy would be able to have any effect due to the reasons below.....

.....she was on a intravenous MORPHINE for 4 days and it gave ZERO relief, PERCOCET failed miserably, Codeine failed, Lyrica (new pain pill) failed, Darvacet failed, Lexapro (antidepressant) failed....

i figured that if MORPHINE failed then any attempt with homeopathy would certainly be far outmatched ------ HOW WRONG I WAS!!!

Wednesday afternoon (Day 6) i showed up with ARNICA 30C and 200C. She is still moaning in agony every bit as bad as on day 2 and day 5.

at 1:30pm i give her arnica 30C. i sit and wait for something to happen. at 25 minute mark she falls into a state of sleep for exactly 20 minutes. i am hoping so much that this worked. But it doesn't. she wakes up and continues to moan in pain.

a visitor shows up preventing me from trying the 200C, but finally i get the chance to slip a single 200C pellet under her tongue. I have to persuade her to let me do it as she does not want it, but offers little resistance.

15 minutes later i leave for the cafeteria i return in 30 minutes and she is not making any noise, but i think nothing of it. i am not getting my hopes high only to have them crushed again.

15 minutes later my sister walks in (5:30pm wed). after 10 minutes or so she notices a big difference in our grandmother (my sister was there at lunch time -- 12 noon).

again I don't think much of it because i know that i will be geting my hopes up for nothing.

after another 15 minutes or so i leave. after an hour or so it starts gnawing at me; i need to return and observe her to see if her crying out in pain has gone away.

i return and watch her for about 2 hours, she is mostly asleep for that time which is unusual. when i speak to her she does not mention anything about pain. i tell her the remdy worked she gets upset and tells me to quit fooling her and says, 'no, they gave me a pill'

never mind the fact that they have been given her a pill every 3 hours for 6 days straight without effect.

i return the next morning because i am excited about the possibility of her being okay, yet i fully expect the remdy to wear off or for the previous night to be just a fluke.

first thing she says to me is 'i still have pain'. But there is absolutely ZERO moaning and it would be the last time i would hear those words 'i have pain'.

over the next 3 days she did not moan a single time nor did she once mention ANYTHING about pain after that thursday morning.

She has pretty much slept around the clock in what looks like a restful state. today her elbow has shrunk to half the size and is red not deep purple.

my family finally sees the power of homeopathy as they were a good deal skeptical prior to this.

the switch in her condition after taking the arnica 200C is the most dramatic thing i have ever seen in my life, stunning even me. And i have been stunned many times mostly concerning my personal experiences with remedies.

i am flabbergasted that something this simple is so ignored by these bumbling stumbling moronic fools that call themselves 'WESTERN MEDICINE'. it almost sickens me knowing that 10's of thousands every day are suffering in pain so needlessly when something that costs a few cents can be used instead of dangerous, expensive pain killers. i still see the need for drugs like morphine and the others, especially for burn patients and the like.
 
  Joe De Livera on 2006-08-28
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
So does hypnosis!
 
walkin last decade
To Walkin

Even if you do not believe the story of the 91 year old's relief from post surgical pain, I can assure you that my own case when I demanded that the syringe of Morphine be removed from the IV drip was witnessed by the nursing staff and my Urologist of the Ohio State University Hospital in Columbus OH. My wife and my son were constantly in my room and it was she who gave me the Arnica 30c every 2 hours on the first few days and on the third day I took them every 3 hours.

There is absolutely no case of hypnosis involved in my amazing recovery after my surgery which can be classified as major surgery. As I recorded in my case history above, I was out of bed on the third day and the only time that I was given morphine was for about an hour after I regained consciousness but when I discovered what it was, I just refused to use it and ordered it removed when the surgeon was called and he warned me of the severe pain that I would be unnecessarily be suffering from without the usual sedatives used. It was when my wife signed a form exempting the hospital from any responsibility for my pain that the morphine was removed from the IV line.

There is absolutely no doubt that it was the Arnica 30 that gave me the incredible relief from pain. It is my hope that others too will remember that Arnica can help for post surgical relief from pain.

I note that the 91 year old used the 200c potency and if only I knew this fact I would have used it in the wet dose when a teaspoonful would have been the dose instead of the dry pellets sublingually.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks, Joe. I am currently nursing my elderly cat who is 6 days post surgery for removal of a subcutaneous growth in her cheek.

The vet sent her home with a very toxic pain reliever which I was supposed to use for at least 4 days, and a foul tasting antibiotic which I was supposed to use for 10 days. I am keeping them close but I haven't had to use either. I am documenting progression of the surgical site, a 2 inch long incision with 4 stitches, with daily photographs.

I started dosing her with Arnica 200C as soon as she was home (probably 6 hours postop), for pain and swelling, and continued that twice a day for 4 days. I have also been using Calendula 30C 3 or 4 times a day to help with the pain, the healing, and as an antiseptic. (It was recommended I use a much weaker Calendula, but it was all I had on hand at the time.) I also gave her Staphysagria 30C 3 or 4 times a day for 4 days, then once a day for the last two days. Unless she shows signs of pain, I will give her only Calendula for the next wek.

All remedies given as a wet dose succussed before each dosing. (A very easy way to medicate a strong-willed cat. She just thinks I'm squirting water in her mouth.)

Other than increasing Staph on Day 2 from 3 to 4 daily doses, she has been fine with no apparent discomfort or other issues. The incision is healing quickly with NO discoloration whatsoever and no sign of infection. Any swelling at the beginning was very minor. I had topical hypercal handy, but didn't need it.

Overall, a much quicker and gentler recovery than my vet offered. She isn't scheduled to have the stitches removed for another week, but it looks like they could come out this week (I'll wait).

I don't think Arnica 200C would have been enough for the pain. As I understand it, both Calendula and Staphysagria had a role here because of the nature of the 'wound'. (Joe you don't mention if you were on antibiotics or if you relied on homeopathy for that as well.) It would have been easier to monitor myself for pain, of course, and have assumed a different dosing schedule where Arnica (if I weren't also interested in Calendula and Staph's other fine properties) might have been enough for pain.
 
Daisy43 last decade
To Daisy

This is a quick response to your use of Arnica 200c, Calendula 30c and Staphysagria 30c for your cat.

I would have preferred you used the Arnica 200c for healing and for the post op pain you can use Hypericum 200c in the wet dose which is by far the most effective pain reliever going.

I did not have it with me when I was post op but relied only on Arnica 30c every 2 hours. I was given a long course of Ciprofloxacine for 2 weeks which my surgeon stated was standard treatment post op.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks, Joe, you see there are some differences there. I was fighting off infection homeopathically, and those other remedies also had some pain management benefits. In particular the Staph.

Post op pain and healing go together for a while, and I'd rather use Arnica to help with the potential swelling and tissue trauma. Since I was able to keep her comfortable, I didn't need to explore other options, like adding hypericum to the list.

If it had been deeper surgery I might have mulled over something like bellis perennis, but it wasn't indicated here.

Arnica is the main stay of my first aid approach. I carry it in my wallet.
 
Daisy43 last decade
hello, i know your post is over 4 years old but im hoping you will get this. i'm not clear on how often you gave her the 200c tablet. was it just the once? i have just bought some 200c (post broken arm op)but am not sure how often and how long to take. unfortunately i didn't buy the 30c.
can you advise please?
thanks
 
shelaghna last decade
Excellent! Arnica being used where it is appropriate!

To learn more about the uses and limitations of Arnica, peruse these resources.

http://drluc.com/Arnica.htm
http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentmm/arn.htm
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Another wonderful post-surgery healing agent is Calendula. Both Arnica and Calendula are excellent first aid remedies, (not chronic remedies) and can be used as homeopathic ointments as well as oral homeopathic treatments.

http://drluc.com/Calendula.htm
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
One can learn more about Homeopathic First Aid and the multitude of homeopathic remedies in these homeopathic first aid resources.

http://simillimum.com/education/first-aid-room/index.php

http://drluc.com/Remedies.htm
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
hi thanks, but i mainly need to know how often and for how long should i take arnica 200. my op did consist of the skin being broken (plates and pins were inserted), is it still ok to use arnica?
 
shelaghna last decade
To Shelaghna

I have just read your post and note that you are post surgery for a fracture and are taking Arnica 200c.

My personal experience after surgery and also the reports that I have received from patients is that Arnica 30c preferably in the Wet dose, is by far the best therapy.

You may like to know that I have discussed my research on Arnica with Luc de Schepper in detail when he was here in Sri Lanka in 2005 but he was not convinced as I was about the efficacy of this remedy which I classify as a 'Miracle Remedy'.
You might also like to know that George Vithoulkas specifically condemned using Arnica post surgically in his lectures simply because he did not have the hands on experience that I did.

You must get the Arnica 30c ASAP and make the Wet dose as per instructions below and take it every 2-3 hours to experience its healing power.

You can also take Hypericum 200 in the Wet dose every 4-5 hours to control the pain. I am informed that it is as effective as the standard Diclonfenac Sodium (Voltaran) given post surgery to patients for pain control.

You can safely take both remedies for as long as you notice that they are helping you. You will notice that I advocate taking Arnica 30c in the Wet dose nightly as I have done for the last 16 years with very positive effects which I can testify to at my advanced age of 82 years.

You may like to read my research on Arnica entitled

ARNICA THE MIRACLE REMEDY on:

http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66


The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this shaking must be done at least 6 times before sipping a capful of the bottle as prescribed.

Please report your response with Arnica and Hypericum in a week for the purpose of record.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi there, Thanks very much for this, but unfortunately it's now too late to buy more remedies. It's coming up to New Year and the small shops that would sell these remedies are now closed until 3rd january. perhaps by then it will be too late to take them. so i can only take what i aleady have which is the Arnica 200c and hope it will help. shall i take it often? At the moment i am taking it 3 times a day. don't want to take it more often in case i am taking too much.
many thanks again for your input. i will definitely keep it in mind for the future.
warm regards, Shelaghna
 
shelaghna last decade
Since you cannot get the 30c you can continue to use the 200c but only in the Wet dose taken twice daily.

I presume that you cannot get the Hypericum 200 for a few days more.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
No I can't get anything now actually until 4th January when the local natural remedy store reopens. I have been reading about hypericum and it sounds exactly what i am needing as my fingers are incredibly sore (burning, tingling, numbness)and hypericum states that it works really well for this. Such a pity it's the holidays. If I am still in as much pain by tuesday i will buy some then.
i would like to thank you sincerely for your help. how very kind of you.
best wishes,
shelaghna
 
shelaghna last decade
Helo Joe, Although I had to wait a while, I did eventualy get the liquid forms of Arnica and Hypericum. By this time, I was still experiencing a lot of pain that even painkillers were not helping, especialy at night. Apart from the obvious pain of the operation etc, there was nerve damage which was the worst pain as it was constant.
I started in the morning with the remedies as instructed by you, and have not needed a painkiller since! The healing does seem a slow process but slowly I'm getting some movement back in my fingers. There is still a lot of pain that comes and goes, but I just take more of the remedies and it settles. The best thing is that I don't need to dope myself up with painkillers! Thank you so much for your help.

I was telling my son about how you had helped me. He asked if I would ask you if there is a remedy that would help with something that has troubled him for some time. I said I would ask, so, if you don't mind:
It's not a serious thing but something that troubles him, where he feels he always has a dry throat. He feels the constant urge to clear phlegm from his throat, but it never clears..this is particularly noticeable at night.
Maybe you can help.
Many thanks again
With Warm Regards,
Shelaghna
 
shelaghna last decade
Please use the homeopathy patient intake form in order to give us the appropriate information about your case. Hopefully someone here will help you begin real homeopathic treatment to resolve your issues.

http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/255920/
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
To Shelaghna

I am glad to learn that the 2 remedies I prescribed have helped you in, I presume, a few hours after you took them as instructed.

I would appreciate if you will provide more data on your accident and the subsequent surgery with the drugs prescribed, and the pain killers that you used which you reported were not effective, and how precisely my therapy helped you.

Your brother can take Bryonia 200c in the Wet dose for his ailment as described by you. He can take a capful or a larger quantity of the remedy which must first be gargled and later swallowed. This can be done every 3 hours when hopefully he should find that his throat clears up. He can take the last dose just before bed to enable the remedy to act on his throat while he is asleep.

You will observe that my shadow 'Homeopathy International' has again intervened under your post, requesting data on your case which he would like to take on even after you have reported relief from your pain.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
I was suggesting that she start a new conversation for her son's case, not hers.
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Sorry if that was not made clear.
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
To H I

Why don't you just quit bugging me and my patients on almost every post I make which you shadow in the hope of teaching your own brand of classical homeopathy, and only intervene if you find that my therapy has not helped the patient ?

I am intrigued by your stock statement:

'Please use the homeopathy patient intake form in order to give us the appropriate information about your case. Hopefully someone here will help you begin real homeopathic treatment to resolve your issues. '

I would like to know the reason for your stating 'Hopefully someone here will help you begin real homeopathic treatment to resolve your issues.'

If as you pretend, you are so much more qualified/experienced than me to help those who post on the ABC, I would expect you to give the patient the benefit of your experience by prescribing for the ailment directly yourself instead of awaiting 'someone here will help you begin real homeopathic treatment to resolve your issues.'

I presume that your avowed intention in doing so is to insinuate that my Joepathy is not real homeopathic treatment. The facts prove otherwise however, as reference to the thousands of cases I have treated on the ABC prove that I seem to have more success in helping patients than you do, or for that matter David K does, as in his case he orders the patient to appear before him in Brisbane where he may have been affected by the floods raging there today, as I have not encountered him on the ABC for a few days.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
David was commenting on cases earlier today, so I trust (and hope) that he is well.

I invited that patient to provide more information. The same thing that you also wanted from the patient.

Real homeopathy involves giving a remedy based on similarity to the symptoms it causes in healthy people, one remedy at a time, the minimum amount, and potentized correctly. I don't think anything outside of those rules could be called homeopathy at all.

If what a practitioner does in a case meets those conditions, then it would be real homeopathy.
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Yes the floods are receding fortunately so I am able to access the internet again.

HI, there is no point in engaging Joe about this. No point in aggravating yourself. People will figure out the truth of it themselves.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Glad that you are well, David.
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
To David,

Irrespective of the differences in our opinions, I am happy to learn that you are OK.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hello Joe,
Here is a more detailed description.
I fell on the ice broke my wrist. It was the distal radius and a very bad break (curved like a fork). I had one operation to put it back in place, but this was unsuccessful as the bone just moved. I had a second operation and this time had a plate and pins screwed into the bone. After this operation I was experiencing a lot of pain. The painkillers administered were paracetamol 500mg (2 to be taken) along with 1x30mg Codiene). After a good few days, my fingers started to burn,sting,tingle along with a numb feeling. This was a constant pain and so very stressful. It got so bad that I went back to the hospital. I was told that it was probably nerve damage and that it was becoming more apparent due to the feeling beginning to come back into my fingers. I wasn't given any other medication.
Even with painkillers. I couldn't sleep at night because of this pain.
As you know, I had to wait until after New Year holidays before getting the arnica and hypericum, but eventually did get them as I was still in a lot of pain.
I took the first dose in the morning and very soon felt some relief. I took no painkillers that day nor that evening before going to sleep. I had the most wonderful peaceful sleep that night. I felt like a baby in the womb...and no pain disturbing me. I've been continuing to take the 2 remedies as prescribed and have never had the need for a painkiller since starting them. Other than the reduction in pain, noticeable improvements were a marked and quick reduction in the swelling in my fingers which I couldn't move at all before the remedies.
There is stil a bit to go before this has entirely healed (there are 16 stitches)but the marked reduction in pain was a god send.
Thank you very much indeed for your help.
I don't know who Homoeopath International are, but to be honest,why does it matter to them what you are doing, as long as you are helping people. :)
Warm regards,
Shelaghna
 
shelaghna last decade

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