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need remedy for irregular menarche

hello doctor
I need help for my 12 years and 9 months old daughter.she got her menses started in November 2016.the detail is given below:
1st periods on 17th Nov.
lasted for 13 days
2nd periods on 31st December
lasted for 9 days
3rd periods 23 February
lasted for 15 days
stopped for 4 days
then again started on 14th March
it is 14th day today and periods are continued
1st 2 days light spotting
5/6days heavy bleeding
then low then spots.
2 pads are clean then a spot on the 3rd one.
her height is 5-3
weight is 70 kg
I took her to gyne
she gave tablets to stop bleeding and iron and hormones
I didn't start hormones as i was afraid of using them.
my daughter is easy going.....fond of saltush spicy foods like pickles ketchup daal ....she is fond of RICE or na an
never like roti or partha
she hates all sweets like cakes...sweets....pastries....ice creams
before she was a very bright n superb student fighting and struggling for a single mark
but now does not take interest in studies showing average result.
kindly suggest the treatment
 
  afskarimymail.com on 2017-03-30
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1. Age:
2. Sex:
3. Built up:obese/moderate/slim
4. Complexion: fair,dark
5. Occupation:
6. Single/married:
7. Country:
8. List out all your PROBLEMS with its since how long,where,what you feel etc:in an order(which came first then which came?
ANS:

a)Worsening factors for each complaint (eg:-by pressure,what time,heat,cold,season,food,eating,after
sleep,by sweat,,by stooping,after stool & urine,after bathing etc.?)
ANS:

b)When Its Better,for each complaint (eg: by pressure,what time,by heat, by cold, any season,any food, eating,after sleep,by sweat,after stool & urine ,after bathing etc.?)
ANS:

9. Mind:sensitive/angry/sad/weeping/fear of/anxiety/shy etc.,memory,desire company,grief,lewd etc.
ANS:

10. Thermal:which weather do you prefer hot or cold? Which is NOT tolerable?
ANS:

11. Frequent or occasional nausea,vomiting to any food,headache,gas trouble,leucorrhea(white discharge-females) ,dandruff,hairfall etc.explain if any
ANS:

12. Stool:regular/quantity/frequent desire/satisfied/bleeding?
ANS:

13. Urine: regular/quantity/frequent desire/satisfied
ANS:

14. Menses: regular,how many days,frequency of cycle,any complaints before or during menses like pimples,backache,white discharge,pain in abdomen,legs etc.,irritability,constipation,diarrhea,nausea etc?
ANS:

15. Sweat:profuse,scanty,offensive,stains
ANS:


16. Sleep:satisfied/disturbed?particular dreams?
ANS:

17. Appetite: how often,quantity,satisfied?
ANS:

18. Thirst: how many glasses ?how often?
ANS:

19. Cravings:salt/sweet/sour /milk/egg/meat/veg/fruit/vinegar etc.
ANS:

20. Aversion: salt/sweet/sour /milk/egg/meat/veg/fruit/vinegar etc.
ANS:

21. Intolerant foods if any which might be your favorite or not.
ANS:

22. How is your sex life?no desire/premature ejaculation/no erection/painful sex?
ANS:

23. Do you have diabetes/BP/Cholestrol/thyroid etc Done any surgey ?
ANS:

24. Do you have any skin complaints-itching,warts,rashes,discoloration etc.?
ANS:

25. List out all medicines you have taken till now and its result
ANS:

26. Any other things which you think it make you unique from others ..
ANS:


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drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
1.Age:12 years 9 months
2.Sex: female
3.Built:obese,70 kg
4.Complexion: fair
5.Occupation:
student of grade 7
6.Single
7.Country: Pakistan
8.List out all your PROBLEMS
ANS: obesity
irregular menarche
the table of periods is given below:
1st period,,,17 NOV.{13 days}
2nd period,,,31 DEC.{10 days)
3rd period,,,23 FEB.{15 days}
Then periods stopped only for 4 days and started again on...
4th period,,,14th March
and are still continued,1st 2 days was light spotting then for 5 days full heavy bleeding then light for 3 days and now only a small spot.since last 4 days,pads are clear only there is a small spot or small brownish discharge can be seen only o the pad when she comes back from school.the rest of the day pad/napkin is clear.


a)Worsening factors for each complaint
ANS:spotting on the pad that is used during school hours.

b)When Its Better,for each complaint
ANS:at least these days its better comparatively when she is at home. 9.Mind:sensitive/angry/sad/weeping/fear of/anxiety/shy etc.,memory,desire company,grief,lewd etc.
ANS:yes she is SENSITIVE.she complaints that u r more polite with brothers than me.
yes she shows ANGER and mood as she was the 1st child and only one daughter.
afraid of going alone in dark.
weeps and cry when in anger,not otherwise.
anxiety ,she expresses when she tells that she wants to close curtains and windows at night and she doesnt sleep untill we keep them open.
memory is very good.but one thig i must mention that she was A+ student till grade 6.now(may be i changed her school)she is not showing that interest and keenness in studies.not showing good results.she was the student to fight for 1 mark and her name was always there on school board as STUDENT OF THE WEEK. but now its not so.
she was our first child so we pampered her a lot.she gained a lot of love n attention but she is a bit dry.she never shows us affection or never hugs or kisses.not to any oneonly seldom she loves n hugs her youngest brother.although she loves us but never expresses.
she is quiet at school and shy.

10. Thermal:which weather do you prefer hot or cold? Which is NOT tolerable?
ANS:
she always complaints about the extremity of summers and never complaints that she is feeling cold.in the whole winter she does not wear a sweater at home.only wears while going out.heat is not tolerable and she asks for a.c.
11. Frequent or occasional nausea,vomiting to any food,headache,gas trouble,leucorrhea(white discharge-females) ,dandruff,hairfall etc.explain if any
ANS:mild dandruff in winters when she shampoos with warm water.
sometimes tells that she has headaches but not in full head usually,in patches.
12. Stool:regular/quantity/frequent desire/satisfied/bleeding?
ANS:stool is always regular and normal.once a day.

13. Urine: regular/quantity/frequent desire/satisfied
ANS: urine is always normal and regular.
14. Menses: regular,how many days,frequency of cycle,any complaints before or during menses like pimples,backache,white discharge,pain in abdomen,legs etc.,irritability,constipation,diarrhea,nausea etc?
ANS: menses details are given already under question # 8.
NO complaints associated with menses like pain,cramps,nausea,diarrhea or constipation.NO irritability during these days.NO white discharge is noticed.
she had same dry acne or dry pimples on her forehead but may be she covers her head thats the reason.

15. Sweat:profuse,scanty,offensive,stains
ANS: NO remarkable sweating other than extremely hot weather.
16. Sleep:satisfied/disturbed?particular dreams?
ANS:NO particular or frequent dreams.
sleeps well.
gets up once at least may be for toilet or may be for water sometimes or to close and shut the window pane and curtains.
17. Appetite: how often,quantity,satisfied?
ANS: 4 main meals a day.
i give her an adequate amount like 1 naan or 2 bowls of rice but i know she is not satisfied she wants more.

18. Thirst: how many glasses ?how often?
ANS:Drinks good amount.
finishes her bottle at school that is 1 ltr.
drinks enough at home as well.
19. Cravings:salt/sweet/sour /milk/egg/meat/veg/fruit/vinegar etc.
ANS:in sweet she likes 2 specific chocolates only,BOUNTY n DAIRY MILK.she NEVER eats or even tastes any cake,cookies,pastry,sweets,kheer at all.
she does not ask for sour foods unlike other girls of her age.
crazy for salty dishes like fries,samosa.burger,pulao ,biryanni.pasta.pizza etc.
she takes milk very seldom but ONLY with chocolate powder or nesquick etc.(only chocolate flavoured)
she NEVER wants to eat an egg.
only selected veggies she eats like green peas,potatoes,lady fingers,spinach.
she eats all meats including fish n prawns.
NO vinegars.
loves daals,beans with rice.
eats only naan or LOVES extremely to eat rice.NEVER eat home made roti,rather preffers to skip the meal.
LIKES chutney,pickles and sauces and ketchup.
only selected fruits like mango,banana.grapes.
NO sour fruits like peaches,oranges or strawberries.
20. Aversion: salt/sweet/sour /milk/egg/meat/veg/fruit/vinegar etc.
ANS: Details are given above.

21. Intolerant foods if any which might be your favorite or not.
ANS: All food details are given.

22. How is your sex life?no desire/premature ejaculation/no erection/painful sex?
ANS: She is a young child.

23. Do you have diabetes/BP/Cholestrol/thyroid etc Done any surgey ?
ANS: NOT ANY....THYROID never suggested or tested before.

24. Do you have any skin complaints-itching,warts,rashes,discoloration etc.?
ANS: 2 or 3 small warts on neck and in armpits.
there are dark patches or discoloration in underarms/armpits

25. List out all medicines you have taken till now and its result
ANS:
Doctor gave her TRANSCAM-DS and iron syrup MALTOFER.she took TRANSCAM for 3 days to stop bleeding.it lessened but not stopped yet.i m giving her iron syrup.
dr. also advised hormones tablets to regulate the cycle but i refused to start.
26. Any other things which you think it make you unique from others ..
ANS: she is a tall girl at the age of 12 n a half she is 5-2"

i v replied all the questions kindly reply .
regards
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
during heavy flow,,when its more? motion aggravation? during rest less flow?

when pimples gets more and large ? during menses?before menses?


when she is sad,depressed,,does she love to be consoled or not?

silent grief?

does she share everything or secretive in nature?


headache on exposure to sun heat or travelling?

i advice to check her thyroid level, i.e, TSH,T3 AND T4..

PLEASE SEND REPORT AFTER CHECKING

MEANWHILE PLEASE ANSWER ABOVE THE QUESTIONS

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drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
1-during heavy flow,,when its more? motion aggravation? during rest less flow?
ANS:NO,when the flow was heavy it was heavy all the times, everywhere.but these days ,I mentioned that since last 4 days ,the pad/napkin was clear the whole day, only the pad/napkin used during school hours had a brown spot. as today it is Saturday and school is off she is at home,so I witnessed no spot at all for the whole day.

2-when pimples gets more and large ? during menses?before menses?
ANS:pimples are not big or obvious and are felt by touch and hardly can be seen .and are on the part where she covers forehead with scarf.these are not typical pimples like other girls of her age usually have.

3-when she is sad,depressed,,does she love to be consoled or not?
ANS:she wants to stay alone and sleep.
silent grief?
4-she is dejected and sad for leaving her previous school and friends.she is unable to have a good company at the new school yet .often she stays alone for the whole day and says she wishes to end school year quick so she better stay home.the girls at new school are not a good match to her nature.
4-does she share everything or secretive in nature?
ANS:she shares things always.


5-headache on exposure to sun heat or travelling?
ANS.travelling and tough and heavy school routine.
regards
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
give her nux vom 200 3pills tonight and tomorrow night
only 2 dose..

then wait and watch changes

also give thlaspi bursa q 10drops in some water 3 times daily,note: give a gap of 1 hour with nux vomica at night..

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drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
thanks a lot dr.
kindly let me know when to report back? I mean after how many days.
regards
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
Report after a week....

Weekly report needs to be assesed...till next menses
 
drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
1-Thlaspi bursa Q
For how long is she supposed to take this medicine?
2-If drops not available then pills will be ok?
Respected Dr.
3-one more thing
She is obese...70 kg...
Will the prescribed med. Reduce her weight also or would u like to suggest something more?
4-am I supposed to stop iron syrup or continue?
Allah bless u
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
1&2..it will only be available in liquid form..Q or mother tincture.
Order 30ml take fully as suggested.

Report every 15days

3,as pcod is there in background...taking medicine for obesity now is useless..please wait..as it reduces its size and..menses got clear..weight will also reuduce..

4.ok.you can..if you are anemic..

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[message edited by drthoufeequebhms on Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:56:13 UTC]
 
drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
Dr.I m worried to read about pcos.is it possible in young age like 12 n half?????
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
she is not gone through any test or labs or U/S as i took her to the gyn.doctor.she said it often happens so when periods start in young girl and it can be so for a year or 2.
but I trust ur diagnosis.
is it completely curable?
I v seen my sister's life is ruined bcz of this cruel disease.
can it be inherited?
ANY DIET or food prohibition for PCOD?
kindly suggest
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
I v NUX VOMICA
in liquid form
plz prescribe the dose
and only 2 doses!??
1 2day n 1 2morrow
and then day after tomorrow I 'll start THLASPY BURSA is it ok?
sorry for the excessive questions and botheration
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
I am realy sorry .it was not meant for you..its for other patient with pcod in abc forum..she was also obese..i ddnt check history ..i thought it was she who asked me about reducing weight..


Sorry..in yiur daughters case..it might be due to low thyroid hormone..please check her thyroid level and update here..

Once again sory..
 
drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
If its in liquid form.. You can give her 1 drop of it in 1/2 glass water..as one dose

Yes..you are correct...nux vomica nightly dose for 2days.


Please confirm thlaspi bursa is Q ..in liquid form..mothertincture form.


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drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
It's ok sir
We are highly obliged and thankful to U for helping us.

I v got the med u recommended
It was THLASPY BURSA Q
and the chemist has given me
CAPSELLA BURSA PASTORIS Q
he says this is the same.
But I need ur confirmation.
Ju ALLAH KHAIRUN KASEER
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
Yes..its same... Report after taking as suggested..


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drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
can nux and thlaspy be taken during menses?
tonight she took 1st dose of nix.
since 3 days she is not having periods...they are stopped....not using pads.... only when she passes urine there is a small red thread type thing in pot.
kindly guide me
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
Take nux vomica after menses...at night...you can continue thlaspi bursa Q during menses too.

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drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
Hello Dr.
I v to report u
My daughter took 1st dose of nux last night
As usual when she came back from school there are stains on her panty.....I am very much scared and worried
Like after a span of 13 days the periods stopped for 4 days then again continued for 15 days and now ...
in last 5 days...the urine was clear only a small piece of red tissue like thing was seen...She did not use pad...all was well when she was at home on week end. But now on Monday n Tuesday she came back home with stains.
Isit due to motion n exertion as her class is on the 4th floor.
Plz guide
I am about to give her the 1st dose of thlaspy bursa. Now and at night I plan to give her the 2nd dose of nux...
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
Dont worry.. It will be due exertion..give medicines as suggested and report back
 
drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
fine dr.
thanks a lot for the reply
it's evening here and again the pad is neat neat n clear....no stain so its confirm that its due to exertion.....stairs....running and games n sports classes.
she told that sports teacher asks for 5 rounds of jogging n running.
anyhow I 'll follow ur instructions n 'll keep on giving u feed back.
regards
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
Dr Sahib
1...kindly let me know that can I give broiler chicken and eggs?? to my daughter with irregular monarchs.
I m not giving her chicken
And eggs since last 15 days as both are full of steroids and hormones.can it cause hormonal issues and spotting as wel. it is confirmed that chicken in my country is not healthy at all.
It's diet and injections given to it are fatal.
But beef n mutton can't be eaten much as they r red meat.
Kindly suggest meat plan for my daughter....what is better for her and how often can she take it?
2...She has taken her 2nd dose of nux. Last night....when to repeat again....Thlaspy bursa Q...She is taking 10 drops in quarter glass of water 3 times a day.
Regards
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
p.s. she didn't go to school today and see there was no stain or discharge or spotting.
urine was clear and only 1 or 2 small red tissue/ thread like things with urine could be seen in the pot.
regards
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago
Anything which cause change in her hormone level or increasing fat shoukd be avoided or reduced as she is already fatty..

Can you please attach her usg can pelvis and abdomen? If not taken..can you attach after taking?

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drthoufeequebhms 7 years ago
kindly mention clearly the names of tests u need to see
 
afskarimymail.com 7 years ago

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