Lanthanides-Scholten

Hi Albert,

How are you?
What are your experiences with the Lanthanides or Scholten in general?

Usually you have posts asking about some exotic remedy and I don't know what
you are doing actually- studying? prescribing?

As my studying goes, I am very much into the Basic Basics and wanting to see
how Hahnemann did things, and how things evolved into what they are now.

I studied the Scholten books for a time and tried out some of the remedies on friends,
who were interested but it seemed very tricky and nothing anyone took did anything
at all.

So as I have been learning, what I find is that the provings of the remedies are so
important and I did not understand at first how Scholten is not going by homeopathic
rules.

--Here is an example of what I am talking about by Dr Luc-

' Jan Scholten, tries to justify introduction of these 'new' remedies by giving a short
clinical example of a patient who state was 'improved' by such a prescription. But what
about the hundred other cases that did not improve?'

In a similar vein he cites the book by Wulfsberg ' Three pieces of Gold' on the aurum salts. Says it was obvious
that the rubrics of Aurum Met, and Nat Mur were simply combined and proclaimed to
be the rubrics of Aurum muriaticum natronatum. Clinical examples were given, but
unless Dr Luc could find the actual rubrics in the Proving of this remedy- he feels this
is nonsense and will send you on a wild goosechase, while you lost time finding
the simillimum.

When you mix remedies the results are not a combination of each one. They are
totally different-Says Kent wanted to put Calcarea Iodatum in the repertory using
symptoms of calcarea and iodine,but others protested so he did not do it.

Per Dr. Luc- ' if the remedy cannot produce these symptoms in a proving, then it cannot
cure them. This is , as every homeopath knows, a basic rule of homeopathy. Anything
else is NOT homeopathic'

So this means you have to look at the provings of all these things and how many
of the provers had the same things happen, and that info is not in the books, it is a lot of descriptions
of each element ( which does not matter when combined -what matters is the proving results - the Facts)
so I think it is all a bit misleading.

Best,

Simone 717
[message edited by simone717 on Sun, 07 Sep 2014 18:14:31 BST]

I haven't used the Lanthanides specifically, but I have used Scholten's periodic table information to make some fairly amazing cures in patients.

In fact my own brother was dying from a fatal form of Wolf-Parkinson-White Syndrome, and I cured him with a single dose of Ammonium Bromatum prescribed entirely from Scholten's description of the remedy and the combination of themes of the two elements.

My brother was 21 at the time, scheduled for open heart surgery to try and save his life. He is now 36 and never needed that surgery.

So I will disagree with Dr. Du Schepper on this one, based on my own experience.

Thanks Albert. It is hard after seeing this happen to accept the condemnation of other homoeopaths of these methods. I know they work, so I have to wonder why they are so set against them?

I think these advanced methods require a good grounding in the basics, a competence in the use of the Organon and our philosophy generally. I have noticed that students or new homoeopaths attempting to use them tend to fail quite a bit. I believe they can be quite distracting for them, and really should be restricted to experienced practitioners.

These new methods also do not replace the repertory or provings, merely supplement them. I find that some flexibility in approach is of great benefit to our patients.

David,

Did the Amm Brom provings actually match with the
symptoms of your brother?

Wonderful that you healed him.

Thanks,

Simone717

I will see if I can find the old case notes - it was a long time ago and there was a flood here where I live that destroyed many of my patient records (when I kept them all on paper). He has give me permission to discuss the case because the cure was so remarkable.

There were (or are) few symptoms for this remedy. I did not use any of them to make the prescription, but relied entirely on the mentals in the case.

He was having minor heart attacks almost every week. Often ambulances were being called to wherever he was - train stations, restaurants, home. When I saw him in clinic (my mother begged me to see him despite my reticence about treating a family member) he was grey in colour - grey! I don't think I had ever seen anyone look like that before (it was early in my career).

The story came out was interesting (and confronting for me as a member of that family). I had left home when he was 5, so I didn't really know a lot about what he had experienced since then (16 years). It was apparent that he had been dominated and abused by both my father and one of my mentally sick brothers. He had endured terrible treatment from them - verbal abuse, threats, occasional physical violence. This other brother had done some terrible things to him, such as packing up his entire room into a truck and dumping the contents. This brother had schizophrenia was violent and unpredictable. My father was controlling and mean, constantly threatening to throw him out and demeaning him in public.

It was a horrible story. I found it really hard to listen too - and I have to say I felt a little responsible, as if I had abandoned him to this. That makes it very hard to be objective, and it was my fear in treating him that I would lose that ability to be impartial.

Still, what came out of his story were themes of Anger, Hatred, Disappointment, Resentment. His life had been a hard one, turned on by people who should have protected him, and he practically spat out his hatred of them. These are the themes of Ammonium.

Tangled up with this were themes of guilt, betrayal, being an outcast, being unable to work. His girlfriend constantly cheated on him and he would follow the men she did this with and beat them up, which made him feel even more guilty. Passion which leads to crime is a them of Bromium, as is the terrible guilt and shame he experienced.

Thus I took a risk and prescribed Am-brom 200c, one dose, given as a dry pillule. He experienced a terrible aggravation which put him in hospital (one of those incidents over the years which taught me the dangers of dry doses).

However, once he got to hospital, they did an ECG (which was pretty routine for him now) and it showed no sign of the tachycardia. None. This was the last time he was ever hopsitalized for it, and in fact when he visited his heart specialist, the doctor told him he must have misdiagnosed him (!). His doctor was more willing to believe this than what my brother was telling him - that homoeopathy had cured it.

Yes, Thanks. Really amazing that you
were able to be neutral enough to
do that.

You get into a certain frame of mind when taking a case, that allows you to be impartial. Assuming it is not about you of course - not sure even I can be that impartial! Hear only the patient, and not your own thoughts or feelings - it is a sort of meditative state as I see it. My mind is open and listening, quiet yet active at the same time. With practice you can treat friends, family, perhaps even partners (depending on the exact nature of the story they tell you I suppose).

The great danger of course with family and friends is that you have a stake in the outcome, an will try to influence it in some way to suit yourself. This is a huge mistake, and why many practitioners CANNOT treat people they know intimately. There is no reason not to feel compassion, sympathy, concern, but there must be no goal in yourself other than to ease their suffering. As human beings, this can be hard for us if we are directly affected by the outcome in some way.