Arnica, sleep, Joe de Livera

I can see a lot of his information is in fact a joke, he is a trickster, a fraud.
salty

Salty please no comments like this.

JOE DE LIVERA , ARE YOU SURE THAT YOU HAVE DISCOVERED THIS as you claim under your following posting : http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/34236/

Please read a posting dated 14th November 2004 by "HA21" under http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/12290/. The thread name is "Hair loss! which remedy?? pls help", started by "STARLET" on 07-11-2004. Please note the date of that posting. Please also note that you yourself have also posted many times under the above post.

YOU HAVE ONLY TWISTED THE WORDS AND MADE COLORFUL MODIFICATIONS TO THE SUGGESTIONS of "HA21"'s postings on above.

Also, by your own words, since you are not a qualified professional, I would also add that coconut oil cannot be used for succussion and to increase the potency of the liquid remedy, as mentioned in your posting. This again is misleading and a false statement to the readers of this forum.

I am from India, the land of plenty, where more and more new homoeopathic formulations are being prepared and sold specially at OTC medicine shops. Your this ready-made formulation is available on over the counter (OTC) in all homoeopathic stores in Bombay and rest of India and THIS IS AVAILABLE SINCE AGES. I also understand that you source your stock of homoeopathic medicines from Bombay (India). That could explain all this "my discoveries & my gifts" of yours.

How does this become your formula or new discovery, as you have tricked us into believing. You have repeatedly claimed in your posting dated 08-08-2005 and again on 09-08-2005, that you have discovered it. It is wrong to adapt someone else's formulation and call it your own discovery.

The Natrium Phos 6X, discovery and supposedly GIFT of yours to the world, is also false, since this formulation is also readily available OTC, in Bombay and rest of India, since decades.

You are taking false credit, for someone else's work, capitalising respect repeatedly on your age, blood pressure and what-nots. Your posting reeks of EGOism, when you claim "my discovery or my gift". You take that subject or disease, for which most people are hopingly looking for magical remedies and you try to capitalise respect and credit for it BY DIGGING OUT OLD POSTINGS AND OLD FORGOTTEN LITTLE KNOWN FORMULATIONS.

You have shattered my respect for you and your false postings. You have also shattered my respects and high regards for persons of like your age.

You should profusely apologise for your claims of your so called DISCOVERY and GIFTS to this forum and all other forums and the world, as you always make out in your postings.

To all,

I do not care where Joe got his info. All I can tell you is that I have been using his arnica 6C split dose suggestion and have never slept BETTER. Thank you, Joe! My husband is now using it every night and finding that his hip pain is reduced greatly. HE thanks you, too! What's with all this Joe bashing???? The arnica DOES work for deep sleep. This is a not a fraud! If it didn't work for you, then maybe you did it wrong (6C works better than 30) or maybe it just isn't your remedy?

Again, THANK YOU JOE FOR YOUR INFORMATION. I HAVE BENEFITTED GREATLY FROM IT.

laddy111

This forum is not for bashing. If a problem worsens due to a medicine it has to be your constitution and not the remedy which has helped many people. Maybe you took much more of the medicine than told and being sensitive to the medicine it aggravated yr problem. I know people taking triple doses as they think that the small pills must be taken more than prescribed.

Joe is a senior citizen and as an Indian I'm sure you know our culture is to respect age. Then he is not doing this for personal gain or fame, so why call him a fraud or any other words. So many people have benefitted from his medicines. His Arnica split dose has helped me too to sleep properly.

I know one of the top doctors of Calcutta. His medicine helps many but aggravated my condition to such an extent that I nearly died. I got brain aneurysm. This is not the fault of the doctor. His medicines have saved many a people. Just my constitution.
So pl dont go blaming others when YOU took the risk of consulting on this forum. No one asked you to consult here.

Laddy111. Did I say anything about myself using Arnica or Arnica not working for me or whether Arnica is the remedy for me or not. I am not using Arnica and I don't need to use Arnica for my sleep. Please read my earlier post carefully, before you post yourself.

Neither I am for Joe bashing. Highlighting somebodies fraud - Is it called bashing ?

A fraud is a fraud - whether committed by Joe or anybody.

Maya_hari : I don't use Arnica for my sleep. I am not bashing Joe. This forum is not for bashing - ALSO THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR FRAUD - false claims, such as "my discoveries and my gifts to this world" . OR IS IT.

As an true Indian, I know to respect age because it is inbuilt in my genes , BUT MY INDIAN CULTURE DOES NOT TEACH ME TO RESPECT FRAUD. Whether Joe is doing for personal gain / fame or not. Whether his medicines are helping or benefitting other or not. Is this the issue. Does it give anybody the liberty to make false claims.. If you hide behind age and culture, people will carry on their fraud. There will be a queue of such false claimants.

I did not consult Joe or YOU, neither do I wish to consult. This forum is not for consulting and no one invites anybody for consulting in this forum. Did anybody invite you.

Nisha-India
What I love is the wonderful cooperation on this forum and the respect everyone seems to have for each other!

You stand out like a sore thumb! Like something a person hopes goes away very soon!

I have had nothing but generous help from Joe, he is willing to go way beyond what he has to, to help!

I believe you are terribly mistaken and misguided!

I was away yesterday and didn't see this thread until now.
Your posts on this forum seem suspicious to me?

"Cruthbh" - Thank you for your compliments, preaching sermon's and your philosophy . People always hope / dream. But they don't get fulfilled and neither your hopes are going to be fulfilled by me. I am going to be here and keep a voluntary watch for such fraudulent incidences.

You prefer to respect a Fraud, it is your choice. You can definetely call me a "sore thumb", for defying to respect a fraud. That's the level of intelligent reasoning.

Joe has generously helped you, that does not mean, you will support his fraud or give him permission to do fraud. Everywhere around the world, whenever anyone points out a fraud against a known person, people get shocked and not wanting to believe the fraud, they gang up against the squealer (disclosing person). Naturally, you too reacted in the expected manner. Accept my pity'ness.

Since you say that I a terribly mistaken and misguided. Can you tell everyone over here as to who has misguided me.

Since you say that my posts on this forum seems suspicious. Can you tell everyone over here as to what do you suspect, with proper justification for your suspicious'ness.

Since I have only highlighted Joe's fraud, and you call me "sore thumb" and "suspect". Can you tell everyone - Are you suspicious natured.

Nisha-India
Intelligent people do not operate in the manor that you have chosen.

What I suspect is 'un-intelligent' people ganging up on Joe in this forum and the Otherhealth forum.
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"Cruthbh" - Thank you for your meaningless opinion. You have chosen not to comment on the Fraudulent claim by Joe. Neither did you answer to your own allegations on me. Do you not have an answer or you just wanted to let go of your outburst, by calling me a "Sore Thumb", (you have called me a name, thanks, thats a good nick name, your discovery and gift to me ???) without giving justifications to your allegations.

Since you say that intelligent people do not operate in the manner I have chosen. Can you tell everyone over here as to how intelligent people operate - I would well learn from you.

Since you say that you suspect un-intelligent people ganging up on Joe in this forum and otherhealth forum. Can you tell everyone over here as to who are those un-intelligent people and what are the other health forum's where such so-called ganging up is taking place and why.

Since you have called me a Sore Thumb, please justify and reply whether you are suspicious natured or just pre-judiced with your thoughts. Also "End of Comments" route is equivalent to escape'ism.

Rarely do I respond to internet sites. As an alternative practitioner of many years, and one who seeks the balance, harmony and synergy between spirit, soul, and body, my experience and education has taught me that with many remedies, especially homeopathy, there is no "one size fits all". Different people try different remedies, and with over 5000 homeopathics as one, and such a variety of conditions and even within the condition a variety of individual differences, the body/soul result or lack thereof under the correct trials has to be the determining factor. Medical Doctors make mistakes and more often than not, incorrect diagnosis, yet we continue to see them knowing they are not GOD, nor perfect as none of us are, and that all humans no matter their position or education is still human and subject to being "wrong". However, when the over-all status, effect, results outweighs the negatives for many people, this is something to consider. Often people have adverse reactions because they are in fact adverse emotionally/mentally and simply can't fully "hear" emotionally/mentally until that area has been released to a better homeostasis. We are not just a body, and it is not our job to make people wrong, because we all are wrong and have been wrong. That is not an excuse for real fraud, but this is strong language for one opinion when the concensus overall is positive. Each has their own experience and that is their reality. Its also not always what we say but how we say it that is a dead-giveaway, when anyone refuses to accept differing opinions contrary to their own. No I don't believe that the majority always rules, and one's experience is as personal as another's. However, until the adverse opinion has had the same adequate education, research and experience as the one accused, there really is not a healthy opinion to take. There is more than one person's effect to be considered in such claims. All are important, but that includes not only the one, but the group. It is equally important to know the person accused personally and professionally before negating any and all of their work or claims. Yes in fact there are many internet sites and publications on the possibility of blood circulation improvement with arnica. There can only be resolve when each stops to carefully listen to one another's qualified opinion/experience, and consider the whole matter by reasoning together and vice-versa. Everyone thinks they are "right", but the results speak for themselves. If its not the right remedy for you, but works for others, this should be acceptable enough. As far as unfounded claims, when you work with any high vibrational medicine like homeopathy as I have for many years, the remedy can go from pathological to constitutional even to metaphysical, so really anything can happen and often does. This is not to say we should have a pollyannish viewpoint about the subject or any other, including prescription drugs (4th leading cause of death according to FDA in America is adverse drug reactions) yet legally are used and prescribed by professionals every day.There are always risks and benefits to any remedy, and of course there is no substitute or remedy which can compensate for an unhealthy lifestyle, diet or over-all negative attitude. This is true for anyone and certainly not an accusation. There is always room for concern and nothing wrong with questioning as long as qualified research is done first to level the playing field. How does one explain the much qualified research of cannabis for extreme autism for example when our society sees this plant as evil? Yet most of the Rx industry is toxic with gross side effects , so all remedies must be used with respect and research, consistency over time and with the help of a professional to help you see if the remedy you are using is right for you or not. I have always been concerned about folks using homeopathy conditionally and symptomatically primarily. There is some positive effect possible, but it is a rather detailed science and it takes many years to become proficient in using these remedies, so the average individual is more apt to make personal wrong decisions if they are using it primarily symptomatically. I won't argue, because this is my experience and education and I'm merely sharing, not making anyone wrong. Health and well-being is my hope for you all. Glad to see you all are trying to find healthier solutions no matter what.

One last thing...anyone in this forum could potentially be considered fraudulent or even practicing medicine without a license, weather using the remedies to prescribe to another or themselves, because so much has to be considered in such remedial applications, including age, immunity, contraindications with meds, supplements or other vibratory products, and so forth. Most of these individuals using and choosing these products are not qualified to do so, no matter what the owner of the site says; plus you can't put many years of science and study into one site. Therefore consider extensive study before forming opinions to use, not to use, how to use, and who to listen to. There is valid research to ponder if one really researches the net and studies true homeopathy and medicine. y the way, Microphotography is the extreme form of macro photography, dedicated to the photography of small objects from life-size to modest enlargements of up to about 20. One of the most popular books that I read during my childhood was Eric in the Land of the Insects, written by the Dutch author Godfried Bomans.

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