Homeopathy?? why??

I should hope you are not talking about me. I haven't shown anger at all, period.
In fact, all the sniping I have seen has been from the homeopaths. One long-time forum member has been banned for it, I believe.

Yes, it IS important to live and let live. I don't see why we can't do that.

Take care, and I wish you the best. :-)

Who has been banned and by who?? I'd like to know.

Hi All,

Erika, which post(s) are you referring to?

Jim, Passkey had his ID cancelled, which is why he is now Keypass. This is a result of complaints from several members about the way he chose to phrase his disagreements.

Disagreement is a good thing; that's why we have parliament. The problem comes when it is expressed with anger. If you see an angry post here, do please tell me through the ABC contact form.

Be nice.

TO MODERATOR:

I do not intend to speak for Erika. However, there has been some back and forth on "Success at last......doubters read this." I participated in that back and forth but I don't feel I was over the top. A poster named VOICE came on to question homeopathy and profess that allopathic medicine is proven to work, while everything else is not. It's hard to ignore something like that when you spend your life in your chosen profession seeing "proof" of holistic medicine everyday. It's the same argument that has been brewing for years between allopathic followers and alternative followers. Nothing new. The same static reasons. The atheist's soapbox. Trying to convince someone is fruitless. I understand why Erika says she does not have the energy to justify what she does. Who does? It's just unfortunate that a couple gate crashers wish to wield their doubt and wave that banner of SCIENCE against a Forum that is created to discuss homeopathy and holistic health. The gate crashers serve no discernable purpose but to disrupt since people have come here to learn about alternative means. Not be treated the same way as if they went to their allopathic doctor for advice on how to administer a 1M dose of arnica. Aren't there plenty of drug-based, allopathic Forums out there for these individuals to enjoy? There must be, right?

I agree with the moderator, disagreement is a good thing. That's what brings forth progress.

I should hope that in the future, if you find anything I say angry or offensive erika, you shall at least let me know. That's certainly NEVER my intention, and I would hate for anyone to take it as such.

Take care, and my best to you! :-)

Jim,

Why so angry? There's no need for that -- we are all here to work together, aren't we?

This isn't an "us vs. them" kind of thing. I would hate to think you were approaching it as such.

Homeopathy, modern medicine, herbalism, acupuncture, whatever. The point is helping sick people get better, not fighting about how they get better.

At least that's my take on it. :-)

Orume,

Look, man, glancing at your collective posts, it's obvious to me that you have an agenda. You and "Voice" tend to break in on threads and interject allopathic answers to homeopathic questions. Moderator, if you want to check this out, see for yourself. Then you have this passive-like "Who? Me? Why are you so angry?" response to so many others who have called you on your posts. Again, you are deliberately honing in on posts where people are looking for homeopathic solutions to their problems and adding information that is either obvious ("Take Vitamin C") or simply ("Go to your doctor.")

On June 13, you responded on the "Low Hemoglobin" thread with this:

"Homeopathic "theory" doesn't really make much sense. So much of it is left fuzzy and undefined, and so much relies on faith, just like a religion. Odd, that."

Enough said. I will debate this or you no longer. I have patients to see and paperwork to complete.

Jim,

Well, I find that homeopathic theory doesn't make much sense. But, this is a public forum on homeopathy AND health, and I am allowed to make my point of view known.
I have spoken directly with the forum moderator about my presence here, and found that I am a welcome addition to the forum. If you have any further problems with me, you are welcome to address me directly or take it to the moderator.

However, I think you'll find it is best to assume that both I and Voice mean well and have nothing but good intentions.

I have never hidden my point of view, but I will not accept your implication that I am trying to fight anyone. I am not interested in a fight -- I am interested in helping sick people get better.

If you have a problem with that, like I said, take it to a moderator.

Take care, and my best to you. :-)

Dear Moderator

By ABC Contact do you mean on the home page the box on the lower right hand corner? [moderator: YES!] Since I am not sure, I am posting here what I might otherwise have sent that way.

IMO on the "Success at Last" thread Voice's very first post in reply to someone expressing having had a success using homeopathy, which was to accuse the poster of being illogical was not so much argumentative as an uncalled for attack. And seemed to be baiting for argument and attack back.

IMO you need to watch out not only for what is itself angry, but also what is inciting a response of anger.

Furthermore, if you leave on all the alternative to homeopathy opinions however "nice" and sweet they seem to be, and boot the knowledgeable homeopaths, this site is nothing, nowhere. Similar problem if it just becomes an unpleasant place for those interested in homeopathy.

I think I once heard that there is a bb term of "trolling"...in the sense of trolling for a fight perhaps. A normal English word for what it looks like is happening would be "instigating".

One could hardly fault as not "nice" someone writing on a thread that homeopathy is nothing but sugar and water, as I saw, nothing not nice and smiley face about it at all. And yet that comment obviously confused the original poster who was trying to get a question answered and is the sort of comment that may tend to be instigating for others.

In a description of some remedy in a book on homeopathy it described cynicism as a type of aggression. Perhaps that is the problem. That this cynicism however "nice" is a veiled form of aggression and elicits aggression in return.

There is also a difference between briefly suggesting to someone with a tumor that they might consider surgical excision rather than homeopathy, versus tossing in comments along the lines of homeopathy being illogical, bunk, all placebo, which simply derails whole threads. In my opinion, with no useful idea offered at all.

Hello to all,

I totally agree with Jim Sheldon,I was thinking the exact same thing which is why are they here?I came looking for this site to learn more about homeopathy while at the same time seeking advise about the remedies I was taking.I had already tried the allopathic medicines with no success so I believe that the people who come here come after they have already tried allopathic meds also.People like orume and voice have no business butting in on threads only to put doubt on the poor folk who have already given up hope of recovery for their ailments.Orume is saying that there is no harm intended but it always a negative when he or she posts.We don't want allopathic views when we come here,thats why we came here.I am only speaking for myself.

There is nothing wrong with debating but debating on this site should only be about homeopathic issues not homeopathic vs allopathy issues.The people who are here for advice and remedies have already debated about that,so if they are here,then they have chosen homeopathy for their next remedy.
Orume,notice that I said next remedy.That's so you understand that I am not saying everybody here will never use allopathic medicines again because we may have to for certain situations,I understand that.So why don't you let others get on with their work so they have a clear head when treating people like me,Thanks

Jayjay,

I'm not stopping you (or anyone else) from doing anything. Do what you think you must.

But... I'm not leaving just because you don't like my point of view, and I'm not going to be quiet just because my point of view isn't popular.

I am here because I want to help people be healthy.

I am here because I care.

So, I will continue to give my point of view when I feel it necessary. I ask that you listen, but I obviously cannot force you to. You are welcome to ignore me if you want to, but I will still be here in case you should change your mind.

Take care, and I wish you the very best of health. :-)

Hi Everybody

In open forums like this, you tend to get all sorts of opinions. We have seen worse, on other forums.

You have to put up, with it, and leave it to the seeker of knoweldge, to use his best judgement.

Many people comment on homeopathy, without even bothering to understand, what it is, and I simply pity them, rather than getting annoyed.

Homeopathy is a difficult subject, to understand, much more difficult to practice. But, in the right hands, it does give amazing results.

Let us not worry with these side issues, and go ahead with our goal of making more people interested in homeopathy.

Murthy

Dear all,

We tread a very fine line, but ultimately, the foundation of this forum is that the reader of the posts is able to make up their own mind.

We make no checks on the background or qualifications of anybody who wishes to post advice,and there is no practical way of doing this. The only way to ensure advice posted is reliable is to allow opposing opinions. And remember, these differences of opinion are not always between homeopaths and allopaths, but can also be between different homeopaths.

I believe the reason we have had less interference from the 'anti-homeopathy trolls' is precisely because we allow a counter point, so long as it is not offensive.

What I believe is a bigger problem is a post getting derailed, where somebody has come here asking for help and their post turns into a homeopathy vs allopathy debate. It takes two to argue. If you feel somebody is being unreasonable, and it is obvious they are being unreasonable, it is probably not necessary to point it out - let the reader decide.

We welcome non-homeopathic answers also, as sometimes homeopathy does not hold all the answers. For example, through the contact form, we get a huge number of people asking for the right homeopathic remedy to magically loose weight, without any other effort on their part, whereas the right remedy of course, is usually lifestyle changes.

Similarly, for those who say allopathy holds all the answers, have a look at the Effexor withdrawal thread: http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/1663/ - over 600 posts and 20,000 views, and all of them very dissatisfied with their choice of allopathic remedy.

P.S.

Thank you all so much for the selfless energy you give to people on this forum.

I also want to thank the homeopaths who share their knowledge to help me and my family. You are generous this way. Time is so valuable. This forum has truly been an answer to prayer for me. We have experienced many healings through homeopathy, and I know given the proper remedy, healing will occur. Everyone, have your opinions. It is not harmful to learn. But let us carry on our healing art.

Dear Erika,

I am strong believer of Homeopathy.
Would you be kind enough to read my posting, user name is (Vinfern).
Subject is "Eczema help for 3 year old "

or the link is

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/29521/

Agree stronglywith J Sheldon.
As a matter of fact, ive been a personal target for years for sutch people.
But, please do mind this fact, they are within ouer ranks, and are often labeling themselves as homeopats, and the hidden agenda is promoting their own system of "homeopathy", not the original homeopathy.
Their tools is instigating battles, isinuating, mailcampaigns, incitign , and complaints to oderators..in order to ban the real homeopats, who after long time of harrashment gives in to frustration and answers in a manner thats unrighteous deemed as uncivil, or worse..
and the moderators do not see it, or they do in many cases as their in on the money game, they earn on promoting certain wiews in homeopathy, and do not want any form of discussion or examples, shwon in realtime, that will saw off the moneyleg for them.
Personally i know about atleast one slick lawyer who works this way..do homeopathy need them?
The futures so brigh, that i got to wear shades....

Because it works that's why.
My husband was astonished after 2 weeks, in the change in me after going to a naturopath. The reason for going to a naturopath/homeopath? years of faltering health and just wanting to get my life back.
Gatecrashers should just go and think of ways to improve their lives, we are all here only once, why waste it on things you don't believe in, find your spirit and get on with life, and let this forum alone.
salty