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Amelioration from lying on back ?
I am repertorizing a case....please could you help .Person with sciatica and weak/painful back has
1)amelioration from lying flat on back as well as
2) aggravation form lying on affected side as well as
3)aggravation from physical exersion.
Do we go to the
Pain in extremities section pain,lower limbs ,sciatica, lying on back, amel.(Kent)
to find out one of the remedy or we go to the generalities section for the same modality.(Kent)
Both the sections have these rubrics.
How do we differentiate ?
hisam on 2010-12-20
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Phos is the only remedy of grade 2 if you look in particulars.
Extremities, pain, lower limbs, sciatica, lying, back, on, amel. : phos.
Phos covers the generals too.
Generalities, lying, back on, amel. : acon., act-r., aeth., am-c., am-m., anac., apis., arn., bar-c., bell., bor., bry., cact., calad., calc., canth., carb-an., caust., chin., cina., clem., colch., con., conv., ferr., grat., hell., ign., ip., kali-c., kalm., kreos., lach., lyc., merc-c., merc., mosch., nat-c., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., ox-ac., par., phos., plat., puls., ran-b., rhus-t., sabad., sang., senec., seneg., sep., sil., spig., spong., stann., sulph., thu., verat., viol-t.
Phos can definitely help this case atleast temporarily. But to be sure of it, look for Phos. symptoms in other areas unrelated to this complaint.
If the patient matches the broad general picture of Phos, it may cure the problem.
Murthy
Extremities, pain, lower limbs, sciatica, lying, back, on, amel. : phos.
Phos covers the generals too.
Generalities, lying, back on, amel. : acon., act-r., aeth., am-c., am-m., anac., apis., arn., bar-c., bell., bor., bry., cact., calad., calc., canth., carb-an., caust., chin., cina., clem., colch., con., conv., ferr., grat., hell., ign., ip., kali-c., kalm., kreos., lach., lyc., merc-c., merc., mosch., nat-c., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., ox-ac., par., phos., plat., puls., ran-b., rhus-t., sabad., sang., senec., seneg., sep., sil., spig., spong., stann., sulph., thu., verat., viol-t.
Phos can definitely help this case atleast temporarily. But to be sure of it, look for Phos. symptoms in other areas unrelated to this complaint.
If the patient matches the broad general picture of Phos, it may cure the problem.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I have already given
phos200 in 500 ml bottle to the person..on mentals as well as particulars and generals.
But i am waiting for the response from it,so far numbness of hands have ameliorated from it.
I was asking whether we could leave generalities out and take the particulars in this case so that phos is the only remedy.
phos200 in 500 ml bottle to the person..on mentals as well as particulars and generals.
But i am waiting for the response from it,so far numbness of hands have ameliorated from it.
I was asking whether we could leave generalities out and take the particulars in this case so that phos is the only remedy.
hisam last decade
person has a strong
1)fear of ghosts from the begining resulting in fear of being alone too.
2)fear of something will happen. worried about son and brother...
3)desires very cold drinks in summers but also desires hot food winters.
4)headache from flatulent food.
Causation of sciatica two years back the person overexerted herself and walked for hours..
Back: her back was otherwise also a problem from very begining.
1)fear of ghosts from the begining resulting in fear of being alone too.
2)fear of something will happen. worried about son and brother...
3)desires very cold drinks in summers but also desires hot food winters.
4)headache from flatulent food.
Causation of sciatica two years back the person overexerted herself and walked for hours..
Back: her back was otherwise also a problem from very begining.
hisam last decade
Sciatica has some fairly common presentations/symptoms that are not useful for choosing a remedy to cure a chronic problem.
Typical sciatica is better for lying down, aggravated by certain positions, and is worse from exertion (Walking or any activity that involves bending or twisting the back).
This means that the symptoms you are looking at will not give you a curative remedy. A medicine should be chosen on the peculiar symptoms not the ones common for the disease.
When you choose a medicine that only suits the common symtoms, at best you will palliate the condition temporarily.
I would suggest taking the case again and look for the rare, strange and peculiar symptoms that will help you to choose remedy for more permanent relief.
Typical sciatica is better for lying down, aggravated by certain positions, and is worse from exertion (Walking or any activity that involves bending or twisting the back).
This means that the symptoms you are looking at will not give you a curative remedy. A medicine should be chosen on the peculiar symptoms not the ones common for the disease.
When you choose a medicine that only suits the common symtoms, at best you will palliate the condition temporarily.
I would suggest taking the case again and look for the rare, strange and peculiar symptoms that will help you to choose remedy for more permanent relief.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
David
If a common symptom normally associated with a disease name is useless for prescribing, then why does it get mentioned in the repertory?
Phos is the only grade 2 remedy in Kent's repertory and I respect Kent's gradings. Grade 2 means it has produced that symptom in proving as well as verified in clinical practice to some extant. That being a single remedy for that modality makes it more significant.
Suppose we know nothing about 'sciatica' and the common symptoms associated with it. If we repertise on symptoms alone, won't the remedy cure simply because the symptoms happen to be common symptoms associated with the disease name?
Murthy
If a common symptom normally associated with a disease name is useless for prescribing, then why does it get mentioned in the repertory?
Phos is the only grade 2 remedy in Kent's repertory and I respect Kent's gradings. Grade 2 means it has produced that symptom in proving as well as verified in clinical practice to some extant. That being a single remedy for that modality makes it more significant.
Suppose we know nothing about 'sciatica' and the common symptoms associated with it. If we repertise on symptoms alone, won't the remedy cure simply because the symptoms happen to be common symptoms associated with the disease name?
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Well, I would say just because something is in the repertory doesn't necessarily make it reliable, nor does it tell us how to use the symptom. There would be no problem with using such a common symptom to confirm a remedy choice, but not to decide it, and certainly not to eliminate remedies.
A remedy can be used to palliate a symptom, cure a symptom, or produce a symptom. Any or all of these reasons might be why a medicine appears in the repertory.
However, when creating a totality for choosing a medicine, one must prioritorise those symptoms that are peculiar. In any disease or situation, those symptoms might be common or peculiar - the repertory will not often help us to know that. Repertory is just a guide for us, a prod for our memory.
As Kent said 'But it is not enough to consider the totality as a grand whole ; besides considering all the symptoms collectively each individual symptom must be considered.
Every symptom must be examined to see what relation it sustains to and what position it fills in that totality in order that we may know its value, whether it is a common symptom, or whether a peculiarly characteristic symptom.'
Kent goes on at great length in Lecture 32 about common symptoms and their lack of usefulness in prescribing. The whole lecture can be found here ...
http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentlect/lect32.htm
...but I will quote one part of it.
'Now, if he knows how diseases express themselves in signs and symptoms, then he knows what constitutes an individual disease a little different from all others.
'It is the peculiar way that the same disease affects different patients that makes the symptoms strange, peculiar and rare.
That which is pathognomonic in the remedy is that which you will study out most, because it is that which is related to the patient.'
Kent was very clear about it - what you would not expect to find in a particular disease, is very important in choosing the remedy. What you would expect to find, is not.
It is often the case that if a prescriber who does not know enough about pathology, about physiology, about anatomy, prescribes on symptoms without knowing which ones are common for the disease, that they will palliate those symptoms without curing the cause of them (the true cause).
A remedy can be used to palliate a symptom, cure a symptom, or produce a symptom. Any or all of these reasons might be why a medicine appears in the repertory.
However, when creating a totality for choosing a medicine, one must prioritorise those symptoms that are peculiar. In any disease or situation, those symptoms might be common or peculiar - the repertory will not often help us to know that. Repertory is just a guide for us, a prod for our memory.
As Kent said 'But it is not enough to consider the totality as a grand whole ; besides considering all the symptoms collectively each individual symptom must be considered.
Every symptom must be examined to see what relation it sustains to and what position it fills in that totality in order that we may know its value, whether it is a common symptom, or whether a peculiarly characteristic symptom.'
Kent goes on at great length in Lecture 32 about common symptoms and their lack of usefulness in prescribing. The whole lecture can be found here ...
http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentlect/lect32.htm
...but I will quote one part of it.
'Now, if he knows how diseases express themselves in signs and symptoms, then he knows what constitutes an individual disease a little different from all others.
'It is the peculiar way that the same disease affects different patients that makes the symptoms strange, peculiar and rare.
That which is pathognomonic in the remedy is that which you will study out most, because it is that which is related to the patient.'
Kent was very clear about it - what you would not expect to find in a particular disease, is very important in choosing the remedy. What you would expect to find, is not.
It is often the case that if a prescriber who does not know enough about pathology, about physiology, about anatomy, prescribes on symptoms without knowing which ones are common for the disease, that they will palliate those symptoms without curing the cause of them (the true cause).
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Hisam, leaving out the generals is exactly the OPPOSITE of what you should be doing when prescribing homoeopathically. Local symptoms are naturally lower on the hierarchy, generals are naturally higher. A prescription made on generals without any concern for particulars is much more likely to succeed than the other way around. The rule regarding common symptoms applies however to any level, mental, general, or particular.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
David
We had a long discussion on this some time back. Posting it here for the benefit of colleagues.
http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9638&KW=dr%...
Murthy
We had a long discussion on this some time back. Posting it here for the benefit of colleagues.
http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9638&KW=dr%...
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
David
We had a long discussion on this some time back. Posting it here for the benefit of colleagues.
http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9638&KW=dr%...
Murthy
GOOD OLD DAYS.
sajjad.
We had a long discussion on this some time back. Posting it here for the benefit of colleagues.
http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9638&KW=dr%...
Murthy
GOOD OLD DAYS.
sajjad.
sajjadakram635 last decade
There is a delusion too that is of seeing/feeling ghosts
around and also in dream
the waking up while seeing ghosts.
Will this be pecular in finding the remedy.
around and also in dream
the waking up while seeing ghosts.
Will this be pecular in finding the remedy.
hisam last decade
cause if that delusion is taken then phos is out of list and puls, carb veg etc are in.....
but the patient has fear of ghosts which has phosphorus.
but the patient has fear of ghosts which has phosphorus.
hisam last decade
Very right BH,
It is the peculiar symptoms combination that lead us to the right remedy.
Punkaj Varma
It is the peculiar symptoms combination that lead us to the right remedy.
Punkaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Let us see further as patient has shown some relief in back and extremity.
Will check if the symptoms dissapear and not to return.
The pecularity is very clear from the studies and lessons in homeopathy...
some docs do go for delusions to base the pecularity. and according to some of them every one person has a delusion.
Will check if the symptoms dissapear and not to return.
The pecularity is very clear from the studies and lessons in homeopathy...
some docs do go for delusions to base the pecularity. and according to some of them every one person has a delusion.
hisam last decade
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