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Dangers of Classical Homeopathy

Dangers of Classical Homeopathy

I invite criticism and debate on the much publicized and talked about classical homeopathy and the eventual talibanisation of it by the fanatic element s.


I will like to present before you some observations that I found interesting and worth thinking about.


PART ONE: About IMPONDERABLES IN HOMEOPATHY


Imponderabilia means which is not weighable, i.e. the substances which have no perceptible weights, they are immaterial power or energy; may be natural or artificial.

Medicines prepared from energy, available from natural and physical reactions are called imponderabilia.

Hahnemann observes in his Organon, aphorism 280, Footnote that, “even imponderable agencies can produce most violent effects upon man.”

Examples are:
Luna (Full Moon), Sol (Sun's ray), Magnetis Artificialis, Electricitus etc

NOW LETS SEE THE TALIBAN EFFECT

Potentising the spirit
We are already facing a great problem of defining our potentised drug substances. Now, real imponderables have been potentised: music, mantras, ragas, the Berlin Wall, vacuum, etc. With the introduction of such practices, homeopathy veers dangerously close to magic; such practices may even cause homeopathy to face legal action on the basis of spreading superstitious practices in the guise of medicine.

Paper remedies
Writing names of the remedy on paper, putting the paper under a glass of water which is subsequently to be drunk.

Prescribing on the basis of past life
A teacher published a case based on the experience derived from a regression session. Is this valid homeopathic information to prescribe upon?

Tele-medication and Sahani Institute
A teacher proposed the prescribing of medicine to a patient whom he claimed would also cure all those people living in the neighborhood requiring the same medicine without being administered to them! Is this homeopathy? Another case of dipping a hair of a patient in the chosen remedy solution or using photo pf the patient in a similar manner.

Please do feel free to comment on my observations.

The thread is continued in parts.
 
  wakeupsid on 2009-10-09
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
ANOTHER 2 EXAMPLES OF FANATICISM

Extended dream-analysis and theorizing
There is the trend of making fanciful stories out of the dreams which patients report. Prescribing carried out on the basis of dream interpretations is likely to differ from person to person. The entire dream-based analytical teaching has no connection whatsoever with the fundamentals of homeopathy prescribing.

Overstretched mentals
Mental attributes are undoubtedly important to homeopathy prescribing. They are often difficult to perceive correctly. Most homeopaths are not very confident in handling the mental symptoms. It is often observed that teachings at some seminars lead to putting too much emphasis on the mental expressions, which might sound interesting but is nonetheless based on individual perception.


Materia medica outside the drug proving
Interpretational material in the materia medica, arising from sources such as mythology, combinations of chemical salts etc. without any scientific support of drug (or
Toxicological) proving is too hypothetical to enter the material medica and repertory.
 
wakeupsid last decade
Danger from Within
We tend to feel concerned about the damage caused by external influences such as the WHO remarks about discouraging people form having homeopathic medicine for certain disease or the infamous Australian Couple case.

However, are we aware of the danger that lies within the fraternity?
For a long time we homeopaths stood up against the unscrupulous practices of poly-pharmacy and random prescribing. Now, the time has come where in the name of classical homeopathy, the above-mentioned dubious practices are flourishing - practices which in my opinion are even more harmful than the practice of poly-pharmacy.

The greatest danger to homeopathy seems to be more from within.
 
wakeupsid last decade
Who said whatever you are referring to is classical homeopathy?

Classical homeopathy teaches us to match the drug symptoms that are obtained by proper proving to the case on hand and choose the medicine which is the best match.

Practice based on Materia medica that consists of conjectures, assumptions, interpolations and imperfect provings (by one or two persons) can never be termed as classical homeopathy.

Please don't malign classical homeopathy by including all trash into it.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Unfortunately, A lot of so called classical homeopaths are going to such extents and therefore the inclusion.

And people are getting carried away in the name of propogating Classical and Pure homoepathy. Also they are influencing a lot of new minds as well.
 
wakeupsid last decade
I Think Homepathic prescribing is all about knowing your remedy and common sense.

Too much analysis is paralysis . I agree.

As i always say, EYES SEE WHAT THE MIND KNOWS.

Also you need to have a sharp intellect and a creative mind to be a good homeopath.

Homeopathy is therefore rightly called an art and science both.

Experience is what matters in the end.
 
wakeupsid last decade
Any comments and observation on the sense or explaination of sahani drug transmission, dipping a hair in medicated water and the effect starts immediately on this person a thousand km away?

May be .. (Of Course I am not indicating here that CH is this: disclaimer)
 
wakeupsid last decade
Hi FM

You are completely wrong about what is classical homeopathy.

Classical homeopathy is nothing but to follow Organon in true letter aand spirit, and to see that any improvisations we do are not against the fundamentals of homeopathy.

To have a glimpse of how true classical homeopathy is to be practiced, read Dr.Luc's books

Hannemann revisited

Achieving and maintaining the similimum

And Dr GV's

Science of Homeopathy.

Classical homeopathy is not giving a single dose and waiting for eternity. Your assumption as usual is absolutely wrong.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
For the time being let us assume Organon is no longer relavant and you have stumbled upon another greater discovery.

Fine..

What is the basic philosophy behind the polypharmacy with homeopathic medicines?

Can you please explain.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Hi Sid

We had an interesting discussion on hair transmission here.

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9...

You can join there if you like.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Thanks , Thats a wierd discussion. Dont think i have the mind and time to get into that..
 
wakeupsid last decade
I am happy to see wakeupsid doing something other than pushing a certain doctor down our throats, but the examples seem a bit off. Why dump every 'novel' use of homeopathy as classical? I agree with Murthy -- the basics are given; you apply learning, common sense, experience, and some degree of intuition to those. And in my humble opinion, prescribing several remedies together or on the basis that they worked for someone else is definitely more harmful than strange practices (writing remedy name on paper? really?) that at least still follow homeopathic principles.
 
homlee last decade
PAPER REMEDY JUSTIFIED

Quote/Un Quote: Homlee
'And in my humble opinion, prescribing several remedies together or on the basis that they worked for someone else is definitely more harmful than :
strange practices (writing remedy name on paper? really?) that at least still follow homeopathic principles.'

That is the exact problem I wanted to highlight with this thread.

On the pretext of classical homepathic principles, even a paper remedy gets justified.
 
wakeupsid last decade
HAHAHAHAHA.

You've got one sense of humour, man.

Donald Duck School of Paper Remedies.
 
wakeupsid last decade
FURTHER TO THE THREAD

In Europe and U.S and in other parts of the world you will find most people practicing homeopathy do not have a medical background. This is the danger that homeopathy worldwide faces. Since they blindly follow textbooks and unfortunately our textbooks have no editions after the 6th, that too in 1921.

Just imagine no further editions and all editions that took place happened in a matter of a couple of decades more or less. No one took the opportunity or had the competence or courage to re edited organon after 1921? This is 2009.

I was reading an article on the net and it mentions about a survey by the UK charitable trust 'Sense About Science,' revealing about homeopathic practioners how were advising travelers against taking conventional anti-malarial drugs, instead providing them with a homeopathic dilution of quinine.???

That’s the danger I anticipate.
 
wakeupsid last decade
Hi FM

I asked you a quesiton on this thread.

Instead of amusing us with your useless remarks try to give the philosophy behind polypharmacy with homeopathic medicines. (which you advocate)

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
I asked you a simple question. Instead of answering that you are beating around the bush.

That shows your lack of confidence. I can use harsher words, but as I said earlier I am giving a long rope.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
This question is for FM and he will answer it , i presume !!

I have a comment to make here.

THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND POLY PHARMACY

The philosophy behind PF is simple. Bring some releif for your patient for the given state that presents before you, whatever the disease may be.

The reason behind PF are various:
1. Limited time to spend in selecting a single medicine, if the physician has a lot of patients to see.
2. Not capable to select the right remedy on account of ether limited knowledge about materia medica, or mixed up presented symptomatogy
3. Certain communications used while taking case history like telephone or internet or letters where there is no direct face to face interaction and so the real picture might get missed out.
4. Practical difficulties in regular commercial practice. The patient has paid you for relief and you are not confident of giving him the same with properly selected remedy, instead you feel that your experience with other combinations will surely work. Resutls n better confidence, for the doctor and the patient.

The philosophy and reasons are very apparent and clear. In No Way should they be considered BAD since the intention is to heal, what should be improved and suggested in CME (Continued Medical Education) in Homeopathy. Unfortunately this is missing for doctors used to a certain way of practise.

In the end its all about confidence. I may be confident on one particular way of prescribing and you may be confident on some other. So?. Its ok.
 
wakeupsid last decade
Hi Sid

As I said in another thread, the one remedy at a time philosophy has built in safety in the sense that you can antidote it in case it aggravates as there are clear cut methods like giving a lower potency, choosing another remedy that matches the changed picture or select one among the known antidotes that matches the present picture closely.

What wil you do if the concoction made with polypharmacy aggravates? Ninety nine out of 100 doctors who face such a situation send the patient to an allopath in panic as they don't know what to do.

I can give many more reasons to avoid combinations. We had a long discussion on this topic long back. Have a look.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/11068/

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
I have personally yet to see a homeopathic aggravation with a combination of medicines, if they do not work, they do not. But they do not cause a ‘homeopathic aggravation’.

Yes, they may cause a disease aggravation in case they do not work which ether ways would have happened without medication.

Combinations work in the same way as single medicine does at a time. Both can cause an effect on the symptoms of a patient. The effect here can be termed whatever suits your understanding. In most cases a palliation.

Both single and multiple remedies have there limitation of action. You will need to either change the medicine or increase the potency or something else with a single medicine where as in combination medicines you will perhaps have to add or delete some medicines. And then again the relief.

This effect will continue till the time you don’t hit a block. Probably, I think a miasmatic or disease block. The rethinking starts again here. If you can crack the case here, you proceed for further amelioration and relief.

I cannot say if a classical or polypharmacy homeopath can claim to permanently cure a case of any disease. Since it’s understood that certain factors and circumstances may get the disease back. You will agree, we cannot give it on a stamp paper.

Yes, as you rightly quoted GV in a case of pneumonia, if a classical homeopath cannot relieve the patient in 3 days he should refer it to an allopath. The same case happens with poly pharmacy people also. They have their limitations and classical homeopaths have theirs.

Suppression caused by mixed medicines is again debatable. I have heard Dr PV say that suppression by homeopaths can lead to grave diseases in the future. This also in my opinion is an assumption. I logically and scientifically cannot attribute a suppressed skin disease to diabetes in next 15 years. Probably the guy had to have it.

More over we living in 2009 are full of suppressions and pollutions. Our constitution is not clean. We already have complex miasms in us.

I really doubt weather any classical homeopath will clear all my mismatic blocks and make my disease free in the end.

Please take my opinion in a positive dialogue frame.
 
wakeupsid last decade
Hi Sid

If you believe that homeopathy is science too along with being an art, the scientific part should be based on some theory..even an assumed theory.

The most similar medicine is chosen based on the materia medica (a collection of symptoms exhibited by healthy people when the medicine was given to them).

We take care to see that not only the location, sensation but the modalities too match.

If you read the last post of my refereed thread it talks about Phytolacca, belladona and bacillinum.. all good medicines for tonsils in their own right..but each has their own distinct picture and modalities. All the three can't be indicated at the same time.

The reason why these medicines are selected for tonsils doesn't obey the homeopathic theory. Some one knows that these have been effective in curing tonsils..so he tries all of them with the hope that either one of them or all of them cure.

Such aberrations happens because we think allopathically while dealing with homeopathic medicines. We are neither here nor there.

While talking about aggravation and suppressions, we Indians luckily are thick skinned and don't get aggravated easily. That is not the case world wide.

You can read many cases of aggravation even with single remedies when repeated unnecessarily on this forum itself. If such sensitive people happen to take these combinations they will be much worse.

There is really no philosophy behind the combination therapy and the safety checks are not adequate.

My opposition to wards this polytherapy is precisely because of the above reasons.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Choosing a remedy based on similarity has a valid point in case for eg tonsils. Taken.

What I think is perhaps, I say perhaps its like identify me - talk to me, dont know me, move on. thing here.

On the basis of symptom similarity alone, similar symptom producing remedies (when proved) act on similar symptoms when found.

These are not homeopathic symptoms but disease symptoms and as a result effect on them, may be one or two medicines producing similar pathology or symptoms start to act and relieve the most distressing symptoms. Rest which dont match perhaps are excreated out of the system.

The advantage with a single remedy is that you can be more presice if selected correctly, if selected correctly. Thats Important.

To give you an e.g

A Case of Bronchial Asthma. In conventional medicines we have bronchodialators.

They can be administered systemically(poly pharmacy)

They can be administered through a oral puff( 2 medicines alternately)

They can be adminstered through nebulization.(single medicine)

The safest way is nebulization as you require the minimum amount of steroid/bronchodialator to reach and effect at the right place immediately rather than taxing the entire body for the same effect.

With homeopathy I m not sure it happens in the same way as it does with chemicals in allopathy. Perhaps there is a seive / filter mechanism like nephrons in the kidney. ?
 
wakeupsid last decade
Homeopathic provings are never continued to such an extant that they produce real pathological (disease) symptoms in provers. That will be too cruel.

However the masters have identified certain medicines that are likely suitable for certain pathologies,in the beginning days by analogy and subsequently by clinical records.

In emergencies you can change the remedy even every 5 minutes if you find that the previous remedy didn't give any response.

Prudence says that if the patient is no better even after three changes..better to lift your hands and send him to a proper allopathic hospital.

In such cases even combinations can be tried, as the disease force is so intense that the action if any is exhausted quickly and there are no after effects because of the homeopathic medicines.

You can do anything when you are desperate. However to extend the same to non emergency situations means either you don't have real faith in homeopathy or it may mean that your knowledge is not adequate.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
perfect...man
 
wakeupsid last decade
'Suppression caused by mixed medicines is again debatable. I have heard Dr PV say that suppression by homeopaths can lead to grave diseases in the future. This also in my opinion is an assumption. I logically and scientifically cannot attribute a suppressed skin disease to diabetes in next 15 years. Probably the guy had to have it.'

Dear Wakeupsid,

If Dr.PV means Pankaj Varma...I didn't say the
above. I think you have confused it with some one elses comments.

Best regards
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
'More over we living in 2009 are full of suppressions and pollutions. Our constitution is not clean. We already have complex miasms in us.

I really doubt weather any classical homeopath will clear all my mismatic blocks and make my disease free in the end.'

Dear Wakeupsid,
I have been saying this (in different words though) on the ABC Forum for the last five years.

Many many times I have pointed out the need to identify the miasm (s) dominating the constitution of a patient.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade

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