Hyperthyroid (Possibly Graves) - Natrum Mur

Thank you, Dr. Tahira. I was originally diagnosed with Hashimoto's 8 years ago (never on meds) and recently became Hyper. We are waiting until new blood test being taken in 6 weeks to proceed with medication. Is it OK to use Nat Mur with methimazole? Only symptoms are, for the moment, occasional rapid heartbeat and brain fog at times (which may also be related to TMJ).

I also discoverd through MRI that I have mild pansinusitis which has caused swelling in one of my eyelids, making my eyeball to 'appear' to be bulging (MRI ruled out Graves eye disease.) I've used Nat Mur in the past for sinus drainage with good results. Will Nat Mur be helpful for pansinusitis? Help it to drain or does it work by drying up membranes?

Diagnosed with TMJ 20 years ago and through much body work and dental changes have done well until recently. Now that it has flared up again, having same symptoms as 20 years ago:
pressure behind left eye; ears feel full at times; feel tug of war going on in cranial area. Not sure which problem is causing symptoms; TMJ, Pansinusitis, Thyroid, or a combination of the three.

Thanking you in advance for any suggestions,

Windey

I'm not sure I understand what is meant by a being a constitutional remedy - can someone explain? I've used homeopathy products, but not sure I understand all the terms.

Does 'being useless if not symptomatic' mean that it will only cure the symptoms and not the thyroid problem?

Guess I'm really confused. Thanks for any help!

Thank you, Dr. Tahira. Should I also continue Natrum Mur? It appears to be helping some of my symptoms. OK to take both remedies at the same time?

P.S. Dr. Tahira - Which Spigelia? Marilandica or Antheimia? I have to order. Also - is that 30c once a day? Thank you.

Dr. Tahira,
I just received my order of Spigelia 30c. You said to take one dose daily for 3 days. The container says to use 3-5 pellets as one dose. How many should I use? Also, I am now on Antibiotics - should I use Spigelia while I'm taking this? Does Spigelia show up in blood tests? Thank you.

Windey

Thank you, Dr. Tahira. When I finish antibiotics, I will take 2-3 pellets once a day for 3 days, 1 hour after breakfast - correct? Thank you.

Windey

Dr. Tahira,

Recap of problem: MRI ruled out eye muscle problem, but showed Mild Pansinusitis. Eye doctor ruled out any optic nerve problem. Diagnosed with TMJ 20 years ago and this December right jaw gave me some problems. One time in December I had a severe pain in right jaw that I am sure was nerve related - it sent a severe pain to my head - happened when I was straining to do something and had my jaw clenced tight without realizing it.

December left eyelid was swollen and left eye 'appeared' to be bulging. Right eyelid might 'possibly' have drooped slightly also. Pressure behind left eye. Cheekbones tender. It would change from day to day, but never went away. When swelling would go down some, eyelid skin would hang down so much I could feel it hanging on my eyelash. This would come and go. Took one round of antiobiotics for pansinusitis and it helped some, but symptoms came back.

Your Recommended Treatment:
After finished antibiotics, I took your recommended dose of Spigelia 30c. I took 3 pellets, 1 time a day for 3 days. After 2nd day, my eyes both appeared almost normal - certainly more equal with each other and not much bulging look at all on the left eye & no drooping eyelid skin. Hooray!! Had lots of tearing past few days, all day, but felt this was a good thing? Right jaw felt better. I finished this dosage Saturday, April 5th. I feel it helped symptoms - eyes were almost normal looking again.

When I got up this morning, April 7th, eyes appeared equal, but after up for awhile, left eye began to swell some and started appearing somewhat bulging, but not quite as much as before. Don't think it is actually bulging, believe it's just the appearance of the swelling causing it to look that way. I've found by massaging bone around eye, and when closing eye, massage top of eyeball, it helps eyes to tear a little and helps a 'tiny bit' for swelling. Chewing a small piece of gum helps tearing of eyes & appearance somewhat and - sometimes. If I press on TMJ joints with finger on outside of face, it is tender (like nerve pain). Slight pressure behind left eye has come back - was gone while taking Spigelia. Also, feel like left upper sinus nostril may be affected. Cheekbones a little tender again.

What is your recommendation? Should I continue Spigella and, if so, how much and how often? Sorry this is so lengthy. Thank you for your help.

Thank you Dr. Tahira,

Hopefully I'm giving you information needed.

Writing at 10:00 AM:
When I woke up this morning, my eyeballs appeared almost equal, but left eyelid was swollen. The swelling goes all the way to eyebrow, don't know if I mentioned that earlier. Most of the swelling is more noticeable from top of eyeball to the eyebrow, therefore when eyes are open, the skin is so full it hangs down onto the eyelash. (This improved while taking Spigelia Anthelmia.) When raising eyebrows, eyes look equal.

My eyeballs usually feel very dry when I awake - I use Refresh Eyedrops at night before I go to bed. This morning only the left eyeball felt dry. After getting up, gently rubbed eyes and they gradually teared, eventually dryness better.

If I take my fingers and follow my cheekbone from nose towards ear, when reaching the point beneath my left eye, I can feel my left nostril become congested higher up in the nose toward my eye. After doing this, my eyes will water. If I try to blow my nose, nothing comes out. The lower part of my nostrils are most always dry. Eyes watering some this morning - look and feel better when watering.

My right TM Joint feels weak. By looking straight at my face, symmetrically, the right side is just very, very slightly lower than the left - the eye doctor detected that. My ears feel full - I've had this feeling before when first discovered TMJ problem.

As far as food, I can't tell any difference with any food. The only weather condition I've noticed is that wind will cause more watering, no matter what the temperature. I have never had any seasonal allergies.

Writing at 2:00 PM:
Eyes totally stopped watering. While sitting, I could actually feel the muscles on the right side of my face pulling upwards, feeling as if it's pulling the whole right side of my face up. I got up and looked in the mirror and the right eyebrow was MUCH higher than the left and right eyelid, of course, 'looks' to be drooping compared to the left, but it actually lifted up with the eyebrow. Can feel movement inside cranial area, like a tug-of-war. Could feel slight twitching of right eyelid near nose. When pressing with normal pressure with my fingers on top of head (as a middle-hairline-part) it is sore to the touch. Since prior to this, the right side of my face appeared to be a tiny bit lower than the left ... is my body trying to fix itself? I continued to massage the top of my scalp, pressing harder and mostly in the center top to back. Layed down briefly to try and relax, massaged head some more. After about an hour the tug-of-war had stopped in my head and scalp was not sore to the touch.

Writing at 4:00 PM
After 2 hours right eyebrow (so that means whole right side of my face) had lowered about halfway back to where it was before. Very slight pain in Right Mandibular. Right eye tearing very gently from right corner, which is unusual. During this time, swelling in left eye became some better.

Writing at 5:00 PM
No tearing at all, but eyes look freaky. Left eyelid has not much swelling, but skin is hanging onto the eyelash giving the eye a 'staring' look. Right eyebrow slightly higher than left, but don't feel it pulling so much and no mandibular pain. I can no longer make the eyes tear by massaging, etc., although when pressing fairly hard massage on the bones around the eyes (especially left) is still tender. This is one of the looks I had before I took the Spigelia. Actually this day is pretty well how things were going before I took Spigelia. I could change from one hour to the next. Other than the continual tearing I had from Spigelia, I felt better and face looked more uniform and eyes were not scarey looking. I do have slight, short ear pain occasionally - nothing severe and very short. I'm sure this could all be coming from TMJ problem. It is very difficult to find TMJ dentist who understands the whole body. I am having some craniosacral work done presently, but feel I need other assistance. Of course, I also have Myofascia Pain Syndrome which may enter into this as well.

Do you recommend Spigelia now or something else? Hope you can help. Thank you so much.

Windey

P.S.

When my face stays in this position, with the right eye/face higher and the left eyelid losing the swelling, but eyelid skin hanging on the eyelash, the left eye becomes very dry.

Sorry for the length, just trying to give you all information. Thanks again.

Thank you. I have Causticum in 12x potency. How many pellets of those would equal one 200c dose? Also, I have had this bottle for quite some time and do not see an expiration date on it. It has been opened once, but has been sealed tight and kept in dry place. Please let me know. Thanks so much!

Windey

I will have to buy Causticum 200c. No, I do not have Gelsimium in my kit. Do I need to get both? Thank you again.

Dr. Tahira - Update:

4/8/08
6:00 PM
I have felt I may have some bone loss in my mouth, actually was told by dentist I had bone loss, but didn't say where or how much. Since right side of face feels lower than normal, I thought perhaps the lower right bone in mouth perhaps was lower, at least it felt that way. I also feel the right jaw is weak and hangs down a little. I wear a dental partial with left and right teeth in lower mouth. So - I added a very slight amount of orthodontic wax under and on top of the right side of this partial in an effort to build it up a little. By 10:00 PM eyes appeared a little more even.

4/9/08
Eyes appeared even when I awoke. Had a little tearing during first couple hours, but not much. Eyes were not dry, as they usually are when I first awake. Wore my partial with the little wax-lift which I made again. Eyes stayed pretty even, not quite as they normally are, but much, much better. Had very, very slight tearing. I am wearing the wax, raising the right lower teeth as a test for myself to see if this is part of my problem. I probably need to find a TMJ dentist who understands muscles and how the whole body works together, but that is hard to find. I also had Myofascia Release and a little Craniosacral work done today. When I don't wear my partial at all, the right TMJ feels weak and like it is hanging down. At 9:30 PM, eyes are still more normal/level than they've been for 4 months. Skin above the left eyeball is hanging down (the skin between top of left eyeball and left eyebrow'. I'm assuming this may be due to the fact it's been swollen so long? It's like I have a lot of 'extra skin' there - but when eyes even out, the loose skin is the same on both eyes - so guess there's some shifting in my face going on?? The 'extra skin' is not as bad when I have the partial with the 'built-up-wax thing' I made in my mouth - becomes worse when I remove it. Eyebrows appear pretty even. Thank God no facial muscles and tug-of-war in head today!!! I hope this isn't too confusing

I will order Causticum 200c. I need to know if I also need to order Gelsimium 200c that you mentioned. Do I need both? Thank you again.

4/10/08

When I awoke this morning, it appeared as though not only the left eyeball was a little bigger than right, but that the whole left side of face was a tiny bit swollen. I do not sleep with dental partial, but with a soft appliance to prevent clenching jaws too much. Have used this for probably 5-6 years. Left side of face even felt a bit numb … don't know how to describe the feeling, it was not without feeling, but just 'kinda' numb feeling. Left eyelid appeared swollen somewhat as well.

Put dental partial in with the 'homemade lift' as I used yesterday. After about an hour, puffiness of left side of face went away. Swollen appearance of left eyelid/skin above eyelid went away, but skin above eyelid hanging down again. Right eyebrow raised higher than left making right eyelid appear to be drooping. I feel like nerve involvement in the jaw joint is causing some of this problem, and I'm sure muscles are involved. When I was taking Spigelia, it made the right jaw feel more 'secure' … I'm being very tempted to use it again. :o) It is now about 6 hours since I put in my partial and appearance and sensations still the same as just described. Left jaw feels tight and right jaw feels weak. Even have a little pain in left jaw - probably because I raised my dental partial, don't know. If I put my index fingers into the TM joints at the same time, by looking into the mirror, the right hand is slightly lower.

Are you sure I shouldn't take more Spigelia?? :o) I do appreciate your help and your cautious approach. I have ordered both Causticum and gelsemium.

In answer to your questions:

1. I began having slight pain in right jaw during November, December. This was a stressful time due to family illness and death in family, as well as January. I know that I clench my jaws or grind my teeth, not sure which, at night. Of course, stress would make this worse. In December I noticed the left eye looking a little bulgy at times and had this problem 20 years ago when TMJ began. I had hoped when things calmed down, so would the jaw and the eye problem would go away. Unfortunately the eye problem became worse by January.

I had been diagnosed that my thyroid had gone from Hashimotos to Hyperthyroid and Thyroid doctor believes it to be a 'mild' form of Graves Thyroid Disease. The tests were done in September by regular MD and I saw thyroid doctor in January. He believed the eye problem to be related to that, however, the MRI of eye socket showed muscles OK and eye doctor's testing showed orbital nerves to be OK. When thyroid doctor saw me it was before I took the Spigelia and left eyelid was swollen and looked bulgy. I know that he doesn't understand what the TM joint can cause and I just don't believe it to be Graves Eye Disease, I believe the timing was just coincidental. I don't think it would change from day to day - or sometimes, hour to hour, if it was Graves Eye Disease. I also went through a lot of body numbness, etc. 20 years ago - strange symptoms that all went away after chiropractic/dental treatment for TMJ and muscles. I did start taking Methimazole 10 mg once daily about 2 weeks ago for the hyperthyroid.


2. I live in the U.S. and I am 62 years of age … wow, where did the time go?

3. I am happily married for 39 years.

4. Others have described me as being very patient and understanding and with a sense of humor. I suppose that would be mild tempered. I am detail oriented and like to have things in order, but am getting better at accepting if they are not. :o)

After all that talk of patience, I am starting to lose my patience with this eye/jaw/nerve/muscle thing going on with me. :o) I do appreciate your help and patience with me. It's just frustrating trying to figure it out. Thanks again.

P.S.
I always forget something - trying to be as accurate as possible. I have had neck and lower back problems since I gave birth 35 years ago. Worse, of course, with age. Past few months have had sacrum pain more than anything - feels really tight. Also tailbone pain when sitting on even soft chair. Feels tight. Neck pain and stiffness always there. Have used chiropractic help and massage therapy for help. Don't know if you need to know that or not. Thanks again!

Dr. Tahira,

Tonight we notice that the left side of my face is slightly changed. Skin on eyelid still hanging down, but also noticed left nostril opening is smaller than right. If I pull the skin of left side of face sort of over and up very slightly, the nostril becomes proper size as the other one. It's almost like my head or skin is shifting? I know I'm getting old, but don't think a person ages hour by hour. :o) Help or Advice, please?